The Bible is Written in Metaphors

[Rita]

You obviously haven’t understood my post, or my comments to you - and I am not going to get into a further argument with you about this....

 

[Joseph77]

You obviously haven’t understood my post, or my comments to you - and I am not going to get into a further argument with you about this....

Quite sad, and contrary to what you think. What you post is well understood by Ekklesia, few as there are, and not acceptable when contrary to what Scripture says, and when then contrary to what is happening today.

 

[Joseph77]

You obviously haven’t understood my post, or my comments to you - and I am not going to get into a further argument with you about this....

If and when God Revealed to YOU, that JESUS IS MESSIAH, do you believe that was or is YOUR OPINION ?

See... no opinion needed. My opinions , along with all the desires of my flesh, were crucified - dead and gone, and no longer heeded.

Instead, God's Word, Jesus, as written, as Revealed by Him to ALL EKKLESIA.

 

[rockytopva]

If and when God Revealed to YOU, that JESUS IS MESSIAH, do you believe that was or is YOUR OPINION ?

No.

You opinion, and my opinion, are like the grass, here today , gone tomorrow.

What God says is TRUTH, and what God Reveals is TRUTH, not opinion.

He does not allow the opinions of the flesh, in His Kingdom. This is not my opinion, this is in His Word, as also
what I posted before , that you disagree with.

What you posted was all along wrong, not just after I read it, not just after I thought so.

The Europeans used to say, "In the name of God begins all mischief." If someone can develop some crazy idea and attach the words "Truth" or "God" on it they can begin something in mischief. Whenever I hear the word "Truth" as if someone sneering and "They don't have the Truth" I simply worry a bit. Most of the time truth in this context leads to cult-ish type things, such as Mormonism for example.

 

[Earburner]

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. - Luke 13:6-9

Simple enough! Jesus was talking about Israel and thats it.
And yes, the KoG was taken away from them!
Mat. 21[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
It was given to Born Again Christians, who are peppered throughout all the church denominations.
1 Peter 2[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[rockytopva]

Simple enough! Jesus was talking about Israel and thats it.
And yes, the KoG was taken away from them!
Mat. 21[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
It was given to Born Again Christians, who are peppered throughout all the church denominations.
1 Peter 2[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Pointing out the reason for this thread... Differences in Metaphors! In which you see a different interpretation than did John Bunyan.

 

[amadeus]

This is a good , hope, but is not truthful, not knowing what is happening and what the Bible says would happen.
Over two billion people in 'church' on earth in reality have no idea and never see "Ekklesia" in person themselves (not in their own family, nor in any church they go to) , nor in Scripture, where it is first revealed.

The Word alive, or some part thereof, is written in our hearts, or it is Not, whether we regularly use the English word, "church"; or the Spanish word, "iglesia" [meaning church or Ecclesia/Ekklesia] which is derived directly etymologically from "Ekklesia"; or "Ekklesia" itself.

God is not limited to the languages of men and He does communicate to anyone whose is listening with the spiritual "ears" of the Holy Spirit in us without regard to which human languages or words, any person does, or does not, know. There are people completely illiterate in their native languages who do hear from God. [I met one several years ago.] Education, intelligence and whatever we have should be used to the extent a person is able, but not everyone, for example has brains [an I.Q.] on a par with Einstein . God looks at what we do with what we have rather than at our abilities. He gave us our abilities and knows about them and our experiences better than we do. What we have done or are doing with what we have been given is what has always mattered to Him. "Much is given, much is required:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

 

[Helen]

What you posted was all along wrong, not just after I read it, not just after I thought so

Come on now...just who do you think that you are? Going around telling people that they are wrong. 1) She is not wrong, I have known here 20 years, seen her share her heart as she lays it open.
2) ONLY God see our hearts , He sees the hearts of ALL who gather in His name...He, and He alone knows the heart of everyone who belongs to God's Church without walls.

3) At the given time..all hearts will be revealed.
4) You are not that special, or that discerning , to be able to tell someone that they are wrong...

God has things to say about people who judge others.

"To their own Masters they will stand or fall."
Go and look in the mirror, and check out your own beams...

Bless you... H

 

[Rita]

It’s okay Helen, I was merely trying to relay that Ekklesia existed in so many places , including in many denominations - individuals who have received the Holy Spirit, I wasn’t actually saying he was wrong to presume that their are many who aren’t, but think they are in the real church.
His assumption that there are not many here or anywhere was what I was questioning, I never took his responses as a personal dig with regards to where I stood before the Lord, just a dig at my assumption that he was viewing an opinion, which he was - but obviously he doesn’t believe he has opinions , just believes he expresses truth- you cannot discuss things properly with that kind of person they assumes no wrong exists and places themselves above other all the time- the elite x
Rita

 

[Joseph77]

Come on now..

Just go back, return, to God's Word, and do not accept or believe anything contrary to His Word.
This is the training all the Apostles and disciples receive from Jesus and from the Father in heaven -
not mixed bad with good - all good things are from the Father.
He does not teach His children or His disciples what is wrong, except to show what is wrong.
He only teaches truth, and He knows when His children and disciples accept it, and when they reject it,
when they don't know, and when they do know,
He knows all that they were ever taught by anyone, and He knows all that is false/ He knows what is false, no matter where it comes from,
and He teaches the truth about it, instead of permitting continuing believing what is false.

There is no sin, no iniquity, no darkness, no shadow of darkness in Jesus nor in the Father at all, no, not at all,
and HE HIMSELF
tells us to WALK IN THE LIGHT (HE IS LIGHT) , NOT to walk in the darkness, NOT to hand on to false teachings.

 

[Joseph77]

but obviously he doesn’t believe he has opinions , just believes he expresses truth- you cannot discuss things properly with that kind of person they assumes no wrong exists and places themselves above other all the time- the elite x
Rita

In Scripture, Who delivered all the Apostles and the born again ones away from/ out of/ free from their opinions ?

 

[Helen]

Just go back, return, to God's Word, and do not accept or believe anything contrary to His Word.
This is the training all the Apostles and disciples receive from Jesus and from the Father in heaven -
not mixed bad with good - all good things are from the Father.
He does not teach His children or His disciples what is wrong, except to show what is wrong.
He only teaches truth, and He knows when His children and disciples accept it, and when they reject it,
when they don't know, and when they do know,
He knows all that they were ever taught by anyone, and He knows all that is false/ He knows what is false, no matter where it comes from,
and He teaches the truth about it, instead of permitting continuing believing what is false.

There is no sin, no iniquity, no darkness, no shadow of darkness in Jesus nor in the Father at all, no, not at all,
and HE HIMSELF
tells us to WALK IN THE LIGHT (HE IS LIGHT) , NOT to walk in the darkness, NOT to hand on to false teachings.

I am over twice your age, and been a follower of the Lord since before you were born. You are preaching to the converted here.
Have you tried a street corner somewhere,? maybe they haven't already heard it.

"I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto him, against that day... "

 

[Helen]

In Scripture, Who delivered all the Apostles and the born again ones away from/ out of/ free from their opinions ?

Now you are being silly ... go back to the OP and start again.

 

[Rita]

You were not quoting scripture when you expressed the numbers and your comments earlier - you were expressing your evaluation - your conclusions

 

[Rita]

Maybe I should have said ‘ you are entitled to your own conclusions instead of opinions

 

[Helen]

It’s okay Helen, I was merely trying to relay that Ekklesia existed in so many places , including in many denominations - individuals who have received the Holy Spirit, I wasn’t actually saying he was wrong to presume that their are many who aren’t, but think they are in the real church.
His assumption that there are not many here or anywhere was what I was questioning, I never took his responses as a personal dig with regards to where I stood before the Lord, just a dig at my assumption that he was viewing an opinion, which he was - but obviously he doesn’t believe he has opinions , just believes he expresses truth- you cannot discuss things properly with that kind of person they assumes no wrong exists and places themselves above other all the time- the elite x
Rita

Okay, glad that you are doing well.

@Joseph77 is just another "one of those" who believes that "only he" is right and he alone has "got it".

But then again Rita, I was probably just like that myself 44 yeas ago , when I was just only 35yrs old.
He has some years ahead , if he is willing, where God will bring him down somewhat and teach him some things. But obviously right now is not the time, not when someone already "knows it all." God will wait. :)

 

[Enoch111]

The only thing I would add Joseph is that when many of us use the term ‘ church ‘ within our threads, we are actually meaning Ekklesia...

You are right. The Greek word ekklesia means an assembly of called out ones, and that is exactly the meaning of the true Church. At the same time every city had a church -- a gathering of Christians gathered for worship. In more recent times, the buildings where Christians gather have been called churches, but as long as we are clear the the buildings are meeting places for those who are within the Church, it should not be an issue.

 

[Rita]

Okay, glad that you are doing well.

@Joseph77 is just another "one of those" who believes that "only he" is right and he alone has "got it".

But then again Rita, I was probably just like that myself 44 yeas ago , when I was just only 35yrs old.
He has some years ahead , if he is willing, where God will bring him down somewhat and teach him some things. But obviously right now is not the time, not when someone already "knows it all." God will wait. :)

I am trying to remember what I was like at 35yrs old - oh yes, knee deep in motherhood

 

[Earburner]

Pointing out the reason for this thread... Differences in Metaphors! In which you see a different interpretation than did John Bunyan.

Well there you have it, according to your thinking, there are as many interpretations as there are people in the world.
Therefore, for all of that, in what Jesus said about the fruitless Fig tree, "There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

 

[Jay Ross]

@Helen, I was given this definition of a Know all: -- "A know all is someone who knows all that he knows and believes that he knows all that is known."

Some may think that I am a "Know All" because of my writing style, but I am also realistic in that I am also still learning what it is that I do not Knows.

If we want to be good communicators, then we must be willing to also learn at the same time as we are speaking/posting. Listening is an art that few have learnt.