Yes he would have and he did baptise a friend who hadn't had the infant one, only by sprinkling not emersion. I was told that each CoE diocese has a baptismal pool somewhere
The Bliss of Religious Homeostasis - Don't Rock the Boat
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Carl Emerson
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Behold
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Thousands of people died today and went to Hell.
And just like you, they didnt "believe in it".
They do now.
St. SteVen said:
Of course. Why wouldn't I interpret to suit my theology?
You do the same thing.
Who's theology did you use to reply?
Why is it a sad day? Today is the Lord's Day.
My wife and I had whipped topping on our coffee to celebrate. - LOL
Hopefully my input indicates that there is room for more than one opinion about these things.
But I doubt that you see it that way. I respect your opinion, but you probably don't respect mine. (sigh)
It seems that my responses only make you angry.
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Of course. Why wouldn't I interpret to suit my theology?
You do the same thing.
How could it be otherwise?
Who's theology did you use to reply?
Yes, thanks for your concern and tireless input.
Why is it a sad day? Today is the Lord's Day.
My wife and I had whipped topping on our coffee to celebrate. - LOL
Hopefully my input indicates that there is room for more than one opinion about these things.
But I doubt that you see it that way. I respect your opinion, but you probably don't respect mine. (sigh)
It seems that my responses only make you angry.
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Behold
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He remodled the story.
So now, you teach unbelievers that they are not required to Trust in Christ before they die..........to go to heaven.......and you tell them there is no "Hell".
And this is because you were "bothered" by the idea of eternal judgment, related to : Holy God.
So you found a convenient demonic "no hell, everyone is going to be saved" theology (Universalism)... that fits your "flesh", the best.. @St. SteVen
So now, you teach unbelievers that they are not required to Trust in Christ before they die..........to go to heaven.......and you tell them there is no "Hell".
And this is because you were "bothered" by the idea of eternal judgment, related to : Holy God.
So you found a convenient demonic "no hell, everyone is going to be saved" theology (Universalism)... that fits your "flesh", the best.. @St. SteVen
Where did you get that idea?
I encourage everyone to enjoy the benefits of a renewed relationship with Christ.
But as you know, not everyone is predestined to be a part of the Elect in this lifetime.
I leave it to God to decide which side of the afterlife he will draw ALL humankind to Christ.
John 12:32 NIV
And I, when I am lifted up[a] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
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Behold
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Its your idea, as you sold it as "my family was upset"........"someone didnt believe and felt they couldint'............
Remember?
So, you put the Gospel Truth on the shelf, and walked away........ and went looking for a way to soothe all those feelings inside you, including your personal animostly regarding your viewpoint that .. '"""If God is Love then why does Hell exist..."""""
And because the Devil is smarter then you, and long ago prepared a teaching for you........you went looking for it, and demonic Universalism clicked all your buttons, exactly as the Devil designed it to do. @St. SteVen
Its that simple and you'll never figure this out, as you are one of those people who is , as the Bible teaches.... "wise in their own conceit".
You should temper your quotes with - from memory - since they aren't actual quotes.
Not at all. I hit the books to research it further, including the Bible of course.
Besides, the gospel is supposed to be good news. Your gospel is bad news.
Very telling.
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It's a valid question for those who allow them.
How would you describe the horrors of hell? (eternal conscious torment)
Do you really believe God would do that to a human being?
No human in history has committed such a sadistic crime.
Unfathomable cruelty.
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Behold
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But im talking to you, and you know exactly what i mean.
Now i can paste your "family story" and that is going to correspond with what i posted.
Well.......You "hit the wrong books".....and when someone like you who posts "Does the Bible float" and "can we trust it......with all those errors in it".....tells the members here that you were looking at it for truth...then all i can say is.....
= Stop kidding yourself as you are not kidding us.
Really.
What is "telling'' Is that you dont understand that the Good News, is that everyone can trust in Christ on Earth, be eternally forgiven, and enjoy eternal spiritual union with God, in God's eternal family. now and after we die.
So, that is the Gospel,........ and 'HELL" is not a part of "The Gospel".
Hell is found at the end of a CHRIST REJECTING LIFE.......and "Universalism" and Islam, and Scientology, and similar will ALL lead you to HELL.
"""Hell, is created for the Devil and His angels,""""" before Adam showed up.
And once Adam "fell" then Satan became His Spiritual Father, and this has continued, till tomorrow, upon all unbelievers.
So, a person who dies as a spiritual child of the devil., never born again by the Holy Spirit while on earth, = (so that they become a Son or Dauther of GOD )..........they die as a Spiritual Child of the Devil and they go to the place prepared for their spiritual Father.
See, when Jesus told you, that "you must be born again"....>He was warning you that if you are not, then you remain "of the Devil" and you end up in the place created for Him, after you die.
See, CHRISTIANS go to "our Heavenly Father" who has birthed us as born again......before we die.
Unbelievers exist in .. John 3:36....."under God's wrath"......and that is a child of the devil........or as Jesus explains it...
= "You are OF>......YOUR FATHER.......THE Devil.. and the LUSTS of YOUR Father, you shall Do".
"The Lusts of YOUR FATHER" is the "sin nature" . the "Adamic nature" that is in every person.......and a Christian receives the "divine nature" when they are born again.
Unbelievers never can...and so, they end up in eternity spirtually seperated from God, exactly as they DIED spiritually separated from God. @St. SteVen
Behold
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God is not just "love".
He is also "HOLY"....and you seem to have a real emotional and mental issue with that reality. @St. SteVen.. according to how you view "Hell" and the TRUE God.
Listen, read Gen 19, and take note of God's Holiness as it deals with a city filled with Sex perverts.
He didnt give them any "Gay rights"......not even 1.
You can come to Israel and find this very place, and see the black ash that is burned into the stone, that use to be the city. (Sodom and ?Gomorrah).
Its not a Myth.
GOD IS HOLY< and GOD is not Mocked.
Dont find out.
Hell is simply the place originally designed for the Devil, and its the begining of the eternal life for all who died a spiritual child of the devil, because they were never BORN AGAIN Spiritually, by God the Father.
The Wrath of God remains on the Devil, and it remains on all Christ Rejectors, who are "of your Father, the Devil".
The Good NEWs?
Anyone and everyone can Trust in Christ, and be delivered from damnation, (Saved)... and enjoy eternal Life "in Christ".. as a born again Christian.
"ALL.......who call on the name of Jesus.....shall be SAVED"
John 3:16 = "whosoever" will .
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Behold
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A.) "with God, all things are possible".
Notice.
Jesus was a Jew in the Middle East, who never traveled to Russia, Japan, or Poland.
So how did they "hear" about Jesus?
AA.) Exactly the same as the other billions.
You can count on God to get The Cross of Christ : everywhere.
LittleTuneAlright
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@St. SteVen Did the woman with cancer improve?
So, is being overwhelmed in the Spirit a form of trance? Why does He even do that? is it just for visions and communication, to pass messages on to unbelievers?
So, is being overwhelmed in the Spirit a form of trance? Why does He even do that? is it just for visions and communication, to pass messages on to unbelievers?
Carl Emerson
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The countless billions have all been given a conscience and heeded it or not. The Holy Spirits job is to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgement.
Sister-n-Christ
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No they don't You, aka WebersHome, don't know God's words at all .
No one is yet in Heaven or Hell.
It's always a pity when God's words as is are not enough for those who need to corrupt them to fit their ego's ideal teaching.
Unbelievers.
Because they don't take God at his word.
Carl Emerson
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Sister-n-Christ
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They are not damned to Hell. God would know who they are.
So God's judgement is going to be completely fair. God is not gonna say to anyone, "Now, you are going to hell because you never heard of Jesus." They're going to be judged on the basis of light that was available, not light that was unavailable to them. That is a very important principle of justice.
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Carl Emerson
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An underlying issue is the definition of Love.
First it is a nonsense to suggest that to emulate God is always loving. He Himself said Vengeance is Mine (not ours)
So to take vengeance is not un-loving to Him but is for us.
Second notice the definition of love that we are to follow (not Him)
NIV
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
That is His prerogative not ours.
He is the record keeper
For us it is sinful.
So God is Love but to emulate some of His actions is sinful.
Again and again we being told God is a tyrant if He acts outside humanities constraints - this is a nonsense.
First it is a nonsense to suggest that to emulate God is always loving. He Himself said Vengeance is Mine (not ours)
So to take vengeance is not un-loving to Him but is for us.
Second notice the definition of love that we are to follow (not Him)
NIV
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
That is His prerogative not ours.
He is the record keeper
For us it is sinful.
So God is Love but to emulate some of His actions is sinful.
Again and again we being told God is a tyrant if He acts outside humanities constraints - this is a nonsense.
I never saw her again. I didn't know her beforehand either.
The believer stands in God's presence. Which is typically very pleasant.
But it can be overwhelming to the point that the person can't or doesn't want to stand up.
That's why we catch them.
The reason is for personal healing or insight.
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