The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

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Without the bodily resurrection which was permanent one has no Savior and you are still dead in your sins according to the Apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:17

Many deny Jesus was Resurrected and Ascended into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones) and are still dead in their sins even though they might claim to be a christian. That is an oxymoron.

Luke 24:37-43
37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.

John 20:24-25
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

John 20:27-28
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

There is one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (Tim 2:5) post ascension.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.(Heb 13:5) Changeless, Immutable. Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.

1 Cor 15:1-8
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

1 Cor 15:14-18
14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

2 Cor 5:1-10
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.6 So we are always confident, even though we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord. 7 For we live by believing and not by seeing. 8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are here in this body or away from this body, our goal is to please him.


In Heaven....Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Look up the meaning of the word soma below, it always means a physical body in relation to anthropos(man).

His Body.....Phil 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Matt 27:52-53
52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Phil 3:20-21
And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

1 Cor 15:44-45
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that if Christ be not risen your faith is in vain and you are still dead in your sins- an unbeliever who is lost. Those who deny the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus such as the JW's who teach that Jesus is now a spirit based being fit into this camp. They deny the resurrection.

If we look at what Paul is saying in this passage, it is that corruptible flesh and blood shall not enter the kingdom. Paul says corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible. Paul is not saying the resurrection body will not have flesh but what he declares is that the resurrected body will not have perishable flesh. Remember in Luke Jesus said see here My hands and feet, touch Me a spirit/ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Peter, Paul and John all agree that Jesus still had flesh well after His ascension. 1 John being the last of the books of the three Apostles declared that Jesus having come in the flesh and those who deny this are the spirit of antichrist. John makes it clear that the Incarnation was permanent. Jesus is forever both God and man. This is what Paul teaches in the whole 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians. The glorious physical bodies that we will have in the resurrection. We will have incorruptible bodies just as Jesus now has in heaven.

hope this helps !!!
When Jesus was resurrected by his God, he was no longer flesh and bones, but made a quickening spirit that can also appear as flesh and bones etc. Notice even, the hole in his hands and side not bleeding.
 

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When Jesus was resurrected by his God, he was no longer flesh and bones, but made a quickening spirit that can also appear as flesh and bones etc. Notice even, the hole in his hands and side not bleeding.
Are you saying Jesus is no longer a man with a human body ?
 

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Apostle Paul showed you, all you need do is believe The Word of God. What does the following Scripture declare?

Hello Davy,

Why do you think that passage somehow negates Jesus' declaration that He has flesh and bones?


Peace!
 

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Hello Davy,

Why do you think that passage somehow negates Jesus' declaration that He has flesh and bones?

Peace!

Why do you try to lay a trap with asking a question like that, which is a loaded question like, "Are you still beating your wife?"


John 20:16-17
16 Jesus saith unto her, "Mary". She turned herself, and saith unto Him, "Rabboni"; which is to say, Master.

17 Jesus saith unto her, "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to My Father: but go to My brethren, and say unto them, 'I ascend unto My Father, and your Father; and to My God, and your God."

KJV

When Mary saw Lord Jesus' body was missing, she wept, and then Jesus showed Himself but she didn't recognize Him at first, and thought He was a gardener. Jesus told her to not touch Him because He had yet to ascend to The Father. That likely had something to do with the transfiguration of His flesh to the resurrection type body, which would point to her to not touch Him. He then later appeared right in the midst of His disciples in a closed room (John 20:19). One can find all kinds of commentaries against His having to ascend to The Father first pointing to the transfiguration of His flesh body, but commentaries are much like the doctrines of men; one can find just about any view one wants in them.

1 Cor 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

KJV

That is a direct comparison of Christ's resurrection to the resurrection of them that slept. In 1 Cor.15, Apostle Paul is comparing Christ's resurrection to our resurrection.


1 Cor 15:12-18
12 Now if Christ be preached that He rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ: Whom He raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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That again is Paul comparing the resurrection of those in Christ to His resurrection.



1 Cor 15:36-37
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

KJV

Apostle Paul is revealing the existence of 2 different bodies with the resurrection. Like a seed planted, it must die in order for the germ (or embryo if you will) inside it can come forth. That is how Paul is comparing flesh death. When the flesh body dies, the spiritual body inside it is released (the "silver cord" that keeps them both together is severed).


So the matter is actually about 2 different and separate dimensions. Our earthy body is of one dimension, but our spiritual body is of another dimension, the heavenly dimension. This is why Christ's flesh body had... to have been transfigured to enter the heavenly dimension. Simply, flesh and blood cannot go there into the heavenly. (Visions God caused His prophets to see is a different matter, because obviously they did not have to die to see into the heavenly. Poor ole' Isaiah sure thought he was dead though, in Isaiah 6.)


1 Cor 15:42-47
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

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That "last Adam" is about our Lord Jesus Christ and His resurrection. Notice Paul says He was made "a quickening spirit". That proves that His flesh body was transfigured to the heavenly body at some point. I believe it was right after he told Mary to not touch Him, because He had yet to ascend to The Father. That would mean He then ascended being transfigured, and then returned per John 20:19 to be with His disciples for forty days, and then ascended in final per Acts 1.
 

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Simply, flesh and blood cannot go there into the heavenly.
And that is why Christ said after His resurrection that His body was a body of flesh and bones (no mention of blood). He was not a mere spirit, but His body was already a transformed body at His resurrection (which did not need doors to be opened in order to enter rooms). Yet He could partake of ordinary food, which itself is extraordinary. And the marks of the nails, and the wound from the spear which pierced His side were still there.

When Paul wrote about a *spiritual body* he meant that the resurrected body of flesh and bones would be a very special kind of body. It would be incorruptible, immortal, and glorious, and would enter Heaven without any restrictions or limitations. It is all spelled out in the Bible.

But the spiritual body is not an ephemeral body (as you are vainly trying to claim). Christ did not have an ephemeral body, neither was He merely a spirit being after His resurrection. There is no need for bizarre doctrines.
 
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And that is why Christ said after His resurrection that His body was a body of flesh and bones (no mention of blood). He was not a mere spirit, but His body was already a transformed body at His resurrection (which did not need doors to be opened in order to enter rooms). Yet He could partake of ordinary food, which itself is extraordinary. And the marks of the nails, and the wound from the spear which pierced His side were still there.

When Paul wrote about a *spiritual body* he meant that the resurrected body of flesh and bones would be a very special kind of body. It would be incorruptible, immortal, and glorious, and would enter Heaven without any restrictions or limitations. It is all spelled out in the Bible.

But the spiritual body is not an ephemeral body (as you are vainly trying to claim). Christ did not have an ephemeral body, neither was He merely a spirit being after His resurrection. There is no need for bizarre doctrines.
Spot on !
 

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Jesus was "made a little lower than the angels" when He incarnated.

When He resurrected, He came to exist on the same level as the angels; while He never ceased to be God as the firstbegotten (who also had His beginning, as being in the flesh, through the union of the Holy Ghost with a human egg).

He is, in fact, the chief cornerstone of the Elohim.

See 1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19, Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 1:27, 2 Timothy 1:14; Colossians 2:9.
When he ressurected , He came to exist , NOT on the same level of angels . JESUS has a name far above the angles .
This is wonderfully stated in hebrews . But yeah is HE is the CORNERSTONE . YES INDEED .
And he never ceased to be GOD as the first begotten . very true too .
Just wanted to try and correct that one part where you had said HE came to exist on the SAME level as angels .
 

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Before abraham was I AM . And they picked up stones to stone him . THEY KNEW what he was saying . THEY knew it .
For in the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and GOD is the WORD .
That is the beauty of it . IMMANUEL . GOD with us . OH let us rejoice in the LORD and in the LORD let us rejoice .
 

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Great is the mystery of godliness . GOD was manifest in the flesh . Oh yes paul knew it too . And its what he wrote to timothy .
LET THE GLORIOUS KING BE PRAISED . AND LET all that has breath praise the LORD our SAVOIR . IMMANUEL .
 

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Now for a reminder .
Paul states that in order to be saved one must
A . CONFESS JESUS as LORD and SAVOIR
B . BELIEVE from the heart that GOD has raised HIM from the dead .
FOR with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .
That is the beauty of it .
And now for two reminders .
Faith without works is dead .
BUT all the good works and so called love with OUT FAITH In JESUS is dead .
 

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That is how Paul is comparing flesh death. When the flesh body dies, the spiritual body inside it is released (the "silver cord" that keeps them both together is severed).

Poppycock,

At the resurrection, our bodies will be transformed from natural, corruptible flesh to spiritual incorruptible glorified flesh.
The resurrection of the body is a central tenet of the Christian Faith.
Thus 'i believe in the resurrection of the body' in the Creeds..

Peace!
 
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When he ressurected , He came to exist , NOT on the same level of angels . JESUS has a name far above the angles .
This is wonderfully stated in hebrews . But yeah is HE is the CORNERSTONE . YES INDEED .
And he never ceased to be GOD as the first begotten . very true too .
Just wanted to try and correct that one part where you had said HE came to exist on the SAME level as angels .

His name is far above that of angels; even when He descended to become a little lower than the angels.

Consider that Jesus became a Man; and that this Man subsequently resurrected in His body.

(It was Jesus as the Holy Ghost who rose to fill all things, Ephesians 4:10, Luke 23:46; for Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7)

Of those who are resurrected in their bodes it is written,

Mat 22:30, For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

His name is above that of the angels; but His form is as that of the angels; as it is written,

Rev 22:16, I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 
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His name is far above that of angels; even when He descended to become a little lower than the angels.

Consider that Jesus became a Man; and that this Man subsequently resurrected in His body.

(It was Jesus as the Holy Ghost who rose to fill all things, Ephesians 4:10, Luke 23:46; for Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7)

Of those who are resurrected in their bodes it is written,

Mat 22:30, For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

His name is above that of the angels; but His form is as that of the angels; as it is written,

Rev 22:16, I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And let the GLORIOUS LORD be praised my friend . Yes let us rejoice in the LORD .
 

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Poppycock,

At the resurrection, our bodies will be transformed from natural, corruptible flesh to spiritual incorruptible glorified flesh.
The resurrection of the body is a central tenet of the Christian Faith.
Thus 'i believe in the resurrection of the body' in the Creeds..

Peace!

Not what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Corinthians 5...

2 Cor 5:1-4
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
KJV


Apostle Paul isn't talking above about flesh being supernaturally changed to that heavenly house. He is talking about that heavenly house as a distinct and separate type body, just like what the Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 Scripture does. Thus you are disagreeing with the actual Scripture, not me.

Lord Jesus made that same kind of distinction also in John 3, when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (John 3:6).
 

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Not what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Corinthians 5...

2 Cor 5:1-4
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
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Apostle Paul isn't talking above about flesh being supernaturally changed to that heavenly house. He is talking about that heavenly house as a distinct and separate type body, just like what the Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 Scripture does. Thus you are disagreeing with the actual Scripture, not me.

Lord Jesus made that same kind of distinction also in John 3, when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (John 3:6).
wrong again

unclothed = no body ie a spirit/soul unclothed

clothed- having a body ie a complete man which is a body, soul and spirit.

BTW- Ecclesiastes is written from a human perspective. another misuse and abuse of
scripture


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yes, but that does not mean that you have for sure figured out what Paul meant, ok
i mean wadr you are quite likely to believe you can Quote "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" too right

like i just said, Jesus might have been shown to be raised bodily bc that is what we should be doing too!
so iow if Christ (Spirit, Word) is not raised to life in you, bodily, then your faith is in vain, and you are dead in your sins, maybe
 
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