The Bucha killings, now Biden wants more sanctions

[Hidden In Him]

And that is the key-"CIRCUMSTANTIAL". Hard evidence like eyewitnesses and the fact that Russia controlled the cities and had roaming patrols in those cities make it very very very daming against Russia. Millions of refugees speak of Russian atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are visibly helping their citizens flee and prvde them with materials they have to help them cope. While anything is possible the hard evidence speaks against Ukraine doing this to its own people.

Ronald, try listening to me here. No one else you are debating in these discussion is demanding "hard evidence" before they will change their view because they are sensible enough to know that it will with almost absolutely certainty never exist, for either side. Yet you alone keep falling back on arguing that it must be provided or your opponents have no argument. But then when questioned to provide any evidence for some of the claims you make, you provide a list of sources that are all highly compromised, and which in no way whatsoever provide the kind of "hard evidence" you keep demanding of everyone else.

When Ziggy asked you where she could find proof to the effect that Vladimir Putin wrote and publicly stated that He is going to reconstitute the Old Soviet Empire, your response was to post this:

Putin’s article as a manifesto against Ukraine’s sovereignty - Institute of Modern Russia (imrussia.org)

Leaked Transcript of Putin's recent speech to Russia's legislature (Duma) : parody (reddit.com)

Putin’s speech harked back to Russia’s empire – the threat doesn’t stop at Ukraine | Keir Giles | The Guardian

Althouse: "The end of the Soviet Union disoriented Russia’s elites, stripping away their special status in a huge Communist empire.... One of the most alluring concepts was Eurasianism."

Vladimir Putin: The rebuilding of ‘Soviet’ Russia - BBC News

Putin is Determined to Rebuild Russian Empire | CEPA

Putin, before vote, says he'd reverse Soviet collapse if he could: agencies | Reuters

Putin: Soviet collapse a 'genuine tragedy' (nbcnews.com)

Putin Wants to Rebuild Soviet Union, Former Head of British Army Warns (newsweek.com)

Vladimir Putin Wants To Restore the Soviet Union, Former Secretary of Defense Says | World Report | US News

when I have more time I will look for more direct speech and not just commentaries. It coming out of Russia makes it hard to get large direct quotes of his speeches.

Ronald, you are citing among others here sources like the BBC, NBC, and Newsweek, with a dash of "leaked sources" that could be making up anything under the sun. This is not "hard evidence." They are not even providing full and direct quotes. They are simply taking a few words from things Putin said, lifting them out of whatever context they are coming from, and then repackaging them for the reader in a way that THEY want them to be interpreted.

Don't you see the double standard that you are trying to apply to everyone else in these discussions while absolving yourself of ever needing to provide the same thing?

 

[Scott Downey]

Ronald, try listening to me here. No one else you are debating in these discussion is demanding "hard evidence" before they will change their view because they are sensible enough to know that it will with almost absolutely certainty never exist, for either side. Yet you alone keep falling back on arguing that it must be provided or your opponents have no argument. But then when questioned to provide any evidence for some of the claims you make, you provide a list of sources that are all highly compromised, and which in no way whatsoever provide the kind of "hard evidence" you keep demanding of everyone else.

When Ziggy asked you where she could find proof to the effect that Vladimir Putin wrote and publicly stated that He is going to reconstitute the Old Soviet Empire, your response was to post this:


Ronald, you are citing among others here sources like the BBC, NBC, and Newsweek, with a dash of "leaked sources" that could be making up anything under the sun. This is not "hard evidence." They are not even providing full and direct quotes. They are simply taking a few words from things Putin said, lifting them out of whatever context they are coming from, and then repackaging them for the reader in a way that THEY want them to be interpreted.

Don't you see the double standard that you are trying to apply to everyone else in these discussions while absolving yourself of ever needing to provide the same thing?

What you mean, playing the hypocrite.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, try listening to me here. No one else you are debating in these discussion is demanding "hard evidence" before they will change their view because they are sensible enough to know that it will with almost absolutely certainty never exist, for either side. Yet you alone keep falling back on arguing that it must be provided or your opponents have no argument. But then when questioned to provide any evidence for some of the claims you make, you provide a list of sources that are all highly compromised, and which in no way whatsoever provide the kind of "hard evidence" you keep demanding of everyone else.

When Ziggy asked you where she could find proof to the effect that Vladimir Putin wrote and publicly stated that He is going to reconstitute the Old Soviet Empire, your response was to post this:


Ronald, you are citing among others here sources like the BBC, NBC, and Newsweek, with a dash of "leaked sources" that could be making up anything under the sun. This is not "hard evidence." They are not even providing full and direct quotes. They are simply taking a few words from things Putin said, lifting them out of whatever context they are coming from, and then repackaging them for the reader in a way that THEY want them to be interpreted.

Don't you see the double standard that you are trying to apply to everyone else in these discussions while absolving yourself of ever needing to provide the same thing?

First, I told him those were merely quoting Putin and not direct quotes, except for one paper written by Putin talking about restoring greater Russia!

2. There is hard evidence. eyewitnesses are hard evidence., Russia controlling the areas when the massacred occurred is hard evidence.
Anyone can make anything up. but you have a real conspiracy theory mindset to think that so many news sources (including WION from INDIA) is making these things up!

3. If these sources are lifitn gthem out of context as you are alleging- do you have the evidence to back that up?

4. Russia has done this in every military engagement they have done. We have the evidence from Crimea, Geoprgia, Chechnya, Syria, etc.

5. Why would Ukraine military sneak into a Russian held town, risk exposure to kill civilians and then dig mass graves to throw them in??????????? It is you who is not thinknig this through well and looking at all that is involved.

I demand hard evidence for their charges simply because they are making the charges in light of multiple eyewitnesses, Russian control of the towns, the lunacy of thinking Ukraine soldiers would sneak into towns patrolled by Russians to tie hands and shoot people in the back of the head and then dig a mass grave. I nl ight of the reports coming from other areas and given that Russia has destroyed so much Ukrainian infrastructure, Yes I want more than just say so that it could have happened as they allege.

Its also possible that SEALS snuck in done it, but not very probable in light of all we know and can prove. No we wdo not have videos of the soldiers actually doing the dastardly deeds, but if I was a prosecutor, I would cherish going to trial with this much evidence against Russian soldiers

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, try listening to me here. No one else you are debating in these discussion is demanding "hard evidence" before they will change their view because they are sensible enough to know that it will with almost absolutely certainty never exist, for either side. Yet you alone keep falling back on arguing that it must be provided or your opponents have no argument. But then when questioned to provide any evidence for some of the claims you make, you provide a list of sources that are all highly compromised, and which in no way whatsoever provide the kind of "hard evidence" you keep demanding of everyone else.

Think on this.

We had no hard evidence of the SS using the concentration camps to cremate people. but we had this evidence:

1. eyewitnesses
2. Bones of the burnt.
3. The camps themselves with the ovens.

Doesn't take a math degree to see 1+1=2

I am ashamed to have to say this but there are many brethren who have bought the lies that the Jewish genocide never really took place and it is all Western conspiracy.

 

[Hidden In Him]

eyewitnesses are hard evidence

Eyewitnesses have testified that Azov are actually the ones firing on Ukrainians in other regions.

Russia controlling the areas when the massacred occurred is hard evidence.

And Russia left 4 days prior, by the admission of the Mayor himself.

but you have a real conspiracy theory mindset to think that so many news sources (including WION from INDIA) is making these things up!

You seem to think that maybe only CNN and a few other news outlets are corrupt, and dismiss the notion that globalists could control any more than that. How about if you list for me the sources you believe are Globalist entities.

If these sources are lifitn gthem out of context as you are alleging- do you have the evidence to back that up?

LoL! Forgive me for laughing because I'm trying not to offend you, but you are now asking me to provide evidence for the non-existence of quotes that they are not even providing, Lol. That will be a pretty hard task.

Russia has done this in every military engagement they have done. We have the evidence from Crimea, Geoprgia, Chechnya, Syria, etc.

And the Western media has been giving us their version of the events for the last what, 75 years as well. That just puts us right back where we started.

Why would Ukraine military sneak into a Russian held town, risk exposure to kill civilians and then dig mass graves to throw them in??????????? It is you who is not thinknig this through well and looking at all that is involved.

They didn't have to sneak. The Russians had already left. And their own sources claimed that Azov was going to do a "cleansing" and the city was not truly under Ukrainian control until after they eliminated all Russian collaborators and saboteurs. With all due respect, Ronald, your arguments have a way of revealing that you are the one not thinking things through very well. Much of the time they don't even take into account what your opponents are saying.

I will leave you to it, however. After putting a sword through Enoch's head, I am not particularly interested in getting into any more heated arguments these days. But I am still struggling to understand why you are such an adamant supporter of the Western media's propaganda line on this one, and there is something more to it than simply trusting the "eyewitnesses." Your eschatological views are on the line, or you have deep-seated animosities towards the Russians, or something. I won't venture to say I know for sure, but I think you absolutely have your eyes closed to anything but the view you are completely committed to.

God bless, and thanks for the response just the same.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Think on this.

We had no hard evidence of the SS using the concentration camps to cremate people. but we had this evidence:

1. eyewitnesses
2. Bones of the burnt.
3. The camps themselves with the ovens.

Doesn't take a math degree to see 1+1=2

I am ashamed to have to say this but there are many brethren who have bought the lies that the Jewish genocide never really took place and it is all Western conspiracy.

Ronald, I have never doubted the Holocaust for a second. The NAZIs were an occult organization inspired by the Devil himself, and Hitler kept a copy of Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine by his bedside. Along with being a hardcore occultist herself, she wrote that the Jews were an ignorant race of men who worshipped an ignorant and cruel god.

Now why would I doubt that the Holocaust occurred?

Look, this is going to go nowhere again, so I will leave you to it. But don't misread what people think without checking with them first. That's not honest debate.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, I have never doubted the Holocaust for a second. The NAZIs were an occult organization inspired by the Devil himself, and Hitler kept a copy of Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine by his bedside. Along with being a hardcore occultist herself, she wrote that the Jews were an ignorant race of men who worshipped an ignorant and cruel god.

Now why would I doubt that the Holocaust occurred?

Look, this is going to go nowhere again, so I will leave you to it. But don't misread what people think without checking with them first. That's not honest debate.

No this is just equating how you view the current situation and why you are reluctant to lay blaME TO A PAST MASSACRE, USING THE VERY SAME LOGIC YOU USE TO CAST DOUBT ON Russia WAR CRIMES! i AM GLAD YOU BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST TOOK PLACE- IT IS DOING SO AGAIN, HOWBEIT ON A MUCH SMALLER SCALE.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

No this is just equating how you view the current situation and why you are reluctant to lay blaME TO A PAST MASSACRE, USING THE VERY SAME LOGIC YOU USE TO CAST DOUBT ON Russia WAR CRIMES! i AM GLAD YOU BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST TOOK PLACE- IT IS DOING SO AGAIN, HOWBEIT ON A MUCH SMALLER SCALE.

If anyone thinks Ukraine is anything like the Holocaust, that's rude !
The Leadership of Ukraine is clutching at any and all straws it could try to play ! They are such idiots to even come out and say such madness. So rude !
I would put nothing past the Ukraine leadership at all, they are Dogs ! They love the destruction and they want more, clearly they have no regard for the People of Ukraine right from the start in fact.
All I see is a little boy who is a conman running the Ukraine Nation into the ground wishing Hell on the Ukraine people, he has shown his true colours ! He is a Puppet installed just like Hitler was, so as to undermine the Nation and people, for a Game plan that is hidden in it's own objectives.