The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[soberxp]

The “coming” of Christ…is one event.
The “return” of Christ…..is another event.

Sounds fair.

 

[William Barton]

The purpose of the rapture is to remove believers from the field of the coming battle. The millennium begins after this battle, which will be fought when Jesus with his mighty angels descend from the sky.

The English word "rapture" stems from Latin rapere = "to seize." This reflects "we will be caught up" in 1Thessalonians 4:17.

It's in the Book.

 

[CrowCross]

"Then I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war." (Revelation 19:11).

After the resurrection/rapture event of 1 Thes 4...and my 7 years of living in heaven in the room Jesus said He would come back for us and take us to in John 14... and enjoying the marriage supper of the Lamb...I plan on riding back with Jesus on my own white horse in Rev 19.

 

[ewq1938]

Is this the rapture? If it is the rapture it sounds pre-trib to me.
God removes the wheat and leaves the tares for the tribulation.

The burning/LOF is punishment not tribulation. This event happens after the second coming and Millennium, Rev 20. Therefore it is not a Pre-trib event.

Why do christians object to that? Do those christians want to go through the tribulation?

No, but they also don't want to commit Apostasy, which is worse than going through the trib that God said the church will go through.

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[ewq1938]

After the resurrection/rapture event of 1 Thes 4...and my 7 years of living in heaven in the room Jesus said He would come back for us and take us to

He did not say "take us to" anywhere. The rooms are for those who die from the cross to the second comin g. At the Coming, he remains here and that is where we shall be. Re-read what Christ said in that passage.

in John 14... and enjoying the marriage supper of the Lamb...I plan on riding back with Jesus on my own white horse in Rev 19.

Just make sure you aren't fooled by the other white horse rider as he comes first and he will imitate the second coming and a fake but very convincing rapture could be part of that entire deception.

 

[ewq1938]

Tell any jesus that offers a pre-tribulation rapture, "No thanks!".

 

[Dryhn]

The rapture/our glorification, occurs at his coming, so start reading from there.

Peter looks for a NHNE in his glorified state as he waits for his coming.


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish with a [mighty and thunderous] roar, and the [material] elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are on it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be [in the meantime] in holy behavior [that is, in a pattern of daily life that sets you apart as a believer] and in godliness [displaying profound reverence toward our awesome God], 12 [while you earnestly] look for and await the coming of the day of God.

For on this day the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the [material] elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But in accordance with His promise we expectantly await new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

3 First of all, know [without any doubt] that mockers will come in the last days with their mocking, following after their own human desires 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming [what has become of it]? For ever since the fathers fell asleep [in death], all things have continued [exactly] as they did from the beginning of creation.”
5 For they willingly forget [the fact] that the heavens existed long ago by the word of God, and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly people.

Where does Paul teach melt, intense heat, gathering by angels in his rapture verses ?

 

[CrowCross]

The burning/LOF is punishment not tribulation. This event happens after the second coming and Millennium, Rev 20. Therefore it is not a Pre-trib event.

I don't know of any pre-tribber who would disagree with that. Why did you present it as if I do? That seems a bit dishonest.

No, but they also don't want to commit Apostasy, which is worse than going through the trib that God said the church will go through.

????? So, if I believe in a pre-trib rapture...that's worse than going through the tribulation????? What bible are you reading?

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