Why Satan Will Be the Final Antichrist

[Davy]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

(The Antichrist/The Beast) will be a literal human man

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Davidpt]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

If satan and the beast are literally one and the same, it is then obviously nonsensical, thus ludicrous, to take Revelation 20 to be meaning chronologically after Revelation 19. Why? Because Revelation 19 records that the beast is cast into the LOF when Christ returns. And if the beast is satan, well he obviously can't get cast into the pit when Christ returns if he was cast into the LOF at the time instead.

 

[strepho]

Revelation chapter 12. Satan is accusser in heaven. Michael boots satan to earth at the 6th trump, revelation chapter 12 to document.

Satan is coming 6th trump in his role as false messiah.
Second thessalonians chapter 2 to d, son of perdition will go into temple of God and claim to be God.

This is satan as antichrist near future.

Second thessalonians chapter 2. God is sending strong delusions on those who love not the truth.

Those who worshipped antichrist near future, will be in sheol. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked until judgement day.

Documentation, psalm chapter 9.

 

[Davy]

If satan and the beast are literally one and the same, it is then obviously nonsensical, thus ludicrous, to take Revelation 20 to be meaning chronologically after Revelation 19. Why? Because Revelation 19 records that the beast is cast into the LOF when Christ returns. And if the beast is satan, well he obviously can't get cast into the pit when Christ returns if he was cast into the LOF at the time instead.

Firstly, have you understood that the 'beast' label is about 2 different 'beast' types, one being a beast kingdom, and the other being a beast king?

Likewise, NO flesh-born person is judged and sentenced to perish in the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment. So how much common sense does it take to grasp that the beast king and false prophet are just ROLES the Antichrist will play, and Jesus destroys those ROLES on the day of His return?

Do you really believe in a God that has already judged and sentenced those born in the flesh already to perish in the future "lake of fire"? Find me Scripture where that false idea is written. Not even Judas Iscariot who betrayed our Lord has been judged and sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41). This is why it is Satan that is described as the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

So why do you take up for Satan by trying to steer around the obvious Scripture pointers about him? Why would you be against Satan being the coming Antichrist, ask yourself that.

 

[Hobie]

Firstly, have you understood that the 'beast' label is about 2 different 'beast' types, one being a beast kingdom, and the other being a beast king?

Likewise, NO flesh-born person is judged and sentenced to perish in the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment. So how much common sense does it take to grasp that the beast king and false prophet are just ROLES the Antichrist will play, and Jesus destroys those ROLES on the day of His return?

Do you really believe in a God that has already judged and sentenced those born in the flesh already to perish in the future "lake of fire"? Find me Scripture where that false idea is written. Not even Judas Iscariot who betrayed our Lord has been judged and sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41). This is why it is Satan that is described as the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

So why do you take up for Satan by trying to steer around the obvious Scripture pointers about him? Why would you be against Satan being the coming Antichrist, ask yourself that.

They are real enough so they will burn in the lake of fire, Satan is who directs them and gives them their power and it influences the events and the world.

 

[Davy]

They are real enough so they will burn in the lake of fire, Satan is who directs them and gives them their power and it influences the events and the world.

No flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today. Only Satan and his angels have.

 

[Jay Ross]

No flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today. Only Satan and his angels have.

This statement is not backed up by scripture. Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that when the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, the heavenly hosts will be judged at the same time in heaven. This is to happen in our near future around 20-25 years from now, and at that time those judged in Isaiah 24:21-22 will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

 

[Davy]

This statement is not backed up by scripture. Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that when the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, the heavenly hosts will be judged at the same time in heaven. This is to happen in our near future around 20-25 years from now, and at that time those judged in Isaiah 24:21-22 will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

But my statement is... supported in God's Word. You simply have 'assumed' from men's doctrines, that some flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced for so long, it obviously makes your brain feel unnatural to believe otherwise.

Isaiah 24:21-22 does NOT SUPPORT what you say. It is NOT about this present world time, and the matter is about judgment and sentencing that specifically happens prior... to the time of Revelation 20:11-15.

The Isaiah 24:21 verse does not happen until the day of Christ's future return. That is when those kings of the earth will be taken to Satan's pit with him at the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Their time of 'visitation' is not until a "thousand years" later though, and that will be when they are 'judged', when they are "visited".

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The timing of the above? The day of Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord", the very last day of this present world. That is when the earth will be moved like that by God (see end of Hebrews 12).

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

That is pointing to those kings being taken to Satan's pit prison with him by Christ on that day. And that idea of their being "visited" does not mean 'destroyed' at that point, but only 'judged' (Hebrew paqad, OT:6485).

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

That further reveals when those Isaiah 24:20-23 verses will happen, on the day of Christ's future return, with the time of their 'visiting' (judgment) being after... the "thousand years" reign by Christ.

Therefore, you CANNOT use that Isaiah 24 Scripture to try and prove any flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". The time for that GWT Judgment at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign is not for this present world time.

 

[Jay Ross]

But my statement is... supported in God's Word. You simply have 'assumed' from men's doctrines, that some flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced for so long, it obviously makes your brain feel unnatural to believe otherwise.

Isaiah 24:21-22 does NOT SUPPORT what you say. It is NOT about this present world time, and the matter is about judgment and sentencing that specifically happens prior... to the time of Revelation 20:11-15.

The Isaiah 24:21 verse does not happen until the day of Christ's future return. That is when those kings of the earth will be taken to Satan's pit with him at the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Their time of 'visitation' is not until a "thousand years" later though, and that will be when they are 'judged', when they are "visited".

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The timing of the above? The day of Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord", the very last day of this present world. That is when the earth will be moved like that by God (see end of Hebrews 12).

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

That is pointing to those kings being taken to Satan's pit prison with him by Christ on that day. And that idea of their being "visited" does not mean 'destroyed' at that point, but only 'judged' (Hebrew paqad, OT:6485).

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

That further reveals when those Isaiah 24:20-23 verses will happen, on the day of Christ's future return, with the time of their 'visiting' (judgment) being after... the "thousand years" reign by Christ.

Therefore, you CANNOT use that Isaiah 24 Scripture to try and prove any flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". The time for that GWT Judgment at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign is not for this present world time.

Ah Davy, it is you who has your own private understanding of God's End Time prophecies. Because of this misunderstanding you have changed the timeline of when the End Time event will take place to the extent that it no longer makes sense.

The seventh Bowl Judgement has already taken place. The Land of Babylon has been remembered by God once more to receive His wrath once more. This happened in 1926 AD. Jerusalem was partitioned into three areas of control, between Britian, Jordan and the UN in 1948. The mountains fled from the people after the two great turmoils of WW1 and WW2. People hid in caves because of the ordinance that fell from the sky and the people cowed in the caves and tunnels in the ground and cursed God and begged Him to stop the impact of the ordinance that was falling upon them. All of this can be found written in Rev 16:17-21.

Rev 16:12-16 is presently unfolding before our very eyes for those who have eyes to see, yet you push the Judgement written about in Isaiah 24:21-23 a further 1,000 plus years into our future, whereas I believe it will occur in our near future, probably 20-25 years into our future, after the completion of the Daniel 8 2,300 year prophecy of the Little Horn being given armies to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.

Pau tells us in Rom 11:25b-26 that after the completion of the 2,300 year prophecy, that all of Israel will be saves.

In Ezekiel 34, simply to reference one Old Testament prophecy, God also promises to remove the beasts of the fields from the face of the earth when they return to Him and confess their continual idolatrous worship over the past four ages for a period of time. They will be removed from the face of the earth for a season namely 1,000 years.

But you see the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers is for another age which is contrary to the specified third and fourth age of the visitation of the iniquities upon their children and the children's children.

Davy, you claim that only you have the right understanding of the End Time Prophecies, but the reality is that you too have them all screwed up such that the timing is altogether wrong.

Oh well, we all make mistakes.

The important thing is that we throw ourselves on God's mercy and seek His forgiveness for the mess we make of understanding God,s end time prophetic words.

Goodbye Davy