The Catholic Church and Authority

[StanJ]

I thought baptism didn't do anything? It was just a symbol.

Now you are saying, "You actually have to have had the baptism / in filling of the Holy Spirit to be able to use the Holy Spirit to witness to you about what is truth and what isn't."

So which is it? A symbol OR baptism actually does something??

BTW....In John 14:26 he was talking to the Apostles ONLY.

Well I can't help it if you can't follow the conversation, but I'm not going to have to clarify myself every time you make a new response. take a moment to actually imbibe what is being said and then respond instead of opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
How can you possibly learn anything if you can't follow a simple conversation in writing?

 

[StanJ]

I thought baptism didn't do anything? It was just a symbol.

Now you are saying, "You actually have to have had the baptism / in filling of the Holy Spirit to be able to use the Holy Spirit to witness to you about what is truth and what isn't."

So which is it? A symbol OR baptism actually does something??

BTW....In John 14:26 he was talking to the Apostles ONLY.

Well I can't help it if you can't follow the conversation, but I'm not going to have to clarify myself every time you make a new response. take a moment to actually imbibe what is being said and then respond instead of opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
How can you possibly learn anything if you can't follow a simple conversation in writing?

 

[StanJ]

Your funny. And you didn't quote me to prove me wrong.....because you can't.

My funny what?
Already have to others, the fact that you don't agree only shows how inculcated you really are.

 

[tom55]

You have absolutely nothing to help me understand anything but in order to put this thing to rest, show us exactly how the website I link to his anti-Catholic.
Oh and by the way you and Mungo seem to be the only two that are participating in this thread that claim to be Catholic and Mungo does not agree with you about Catholic websites teaching the official position of the Catholic Church, despite the disclaimers they write. That's just the two of you the can agree on this issue as opposed to all the rest of us who do agree on the false teachings of the RCC.

This faith community is dedicated to

Renewal of ministries in the Church, including an ordained ministry open to men and women,
married and unmarried;
• A vision of Church that includes all people who profess faith in Jesus Christ;
• Development of leadership among all the baptised in the Church;
• Promotion of a wholesome view of sexuality;
• Justice for all based on Gospel values.
Our message is a healing one and is directed to everyone, especially the marginalized in the
Church. It is our hope to reach people through many ministries, and in a special way through the
creation of small faith communities.

While the founding members of Xristos Community Society were reform-minded Roman Catholics, including a number of Roman Catholic priests who could not continue their ministry in the Roman Catholic Church because they chose to marry, the Society now has members from other churches, and has become as ecumenical in its membership as it is in its vision of Christianity.

FYI StanJ.....I have quoted FROM THE SOURCE not from an anti-CorpusCanada source. :blink:

 

[tom55]

My funny what?
Already have to others, the fact that you don't agree only shows how inculcated you really are.

And you STILL haven't quoted me.... opcorn:

 

[tom55]

Well I can't help it if you can't follow the conversation, but I'm not going to have to clarify myself every time you make a new response. take a moment to actually imbibe what is being said and then respond instead of opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
How can you possibly learn anything if you can't follow a simple conversation in writing?

Two questions you didn't answer.

I think I know why. You just realized you are saying two different things and they are OPPOSITE of each other.

 

[StanJ]

As Mungo is on vacation and there is nobody else contributing to this thread except tom55 who is now on my ignore list, I'll bow out and wait to see if and when Mungo returns.

 

[tom55]

As Mungo is on vacation and there is nobody else contributing to this thread except tom55 who is now on my ignore list, I'll bow out and wait to see if and when Mungo returns.

If you would just answer the questions we could have a conversation. I believe I have answered all of yours. Please take me off your ignore list... :wub:

 

[Mungo]

Oh and by the way you and Mungo seem to be the only two that are participating in this thread that claim to be Catholic and Mungo does not agree with you about Catholic websites teaching the official position of the Catholic Church, despite the disclaimers they write. That's just the two of you the can agree on this issue as opposed to all the rest of us who do agree on the false teachings of the RCC.

Untrue as usual Stan.

Tom had is right when he said

Mungo,

Surely by now you have realized by now that StanJ doesn't quote what the RCC teaches. He quotes what non-Catholics THINK the Catholic church teaches. Also, he will never admit to being wrong.

 

[mjrhealth]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

Prejudice is a great timesaver. It enables you to form opinions without bothering to get facts.

And it is truly amazing how even whengiven teh facts many will disregard them because it doesnt agree with there opionion even when it makes a mockery of God and all that Christ has done. As it says,

Rom_1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom_1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Even it is to this day, man glorifying His rellgions over God.

 

[Mungo]

And it is truly amazing how even whengiven teh facts many will disregard them because it doesnt agree with there opionion

Very true! StanJ needs to take that to heart.

 

[mjrhealth]

Very true! StanJ needs to take that to heart.

That goes for many people on this and other christian forums, God is not interested in mens opinions or religious doctrins, he only deals in truth, and anything that does not agree with Him is against Him which is "religion" in all its guises.

 

[tom55]

That goes for many people on this and other christian forums, God is not interested in mens opinions or religious doctrins, he only deals in truth, and anything that does not agree with Him is against Him which is "religion" in all its guises.

If "...God is not interested in mens opinions or religious doctrins (doctrines)" then why are you on this website giving your opinion and your personal religious doctrines about what God has said to us thru scripture? Do your actions make you a hypocrite?

Hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

 

[tom55]

He made clear that man made traditions must not subvert the word of God. But Tradition that is God's word does not come into that category.

The only "traditions" that Protestants want to continue are the beliefs/practices that they started. Like the use of grape juice instead of wine.

If it is a Catholic tradition they want it thrown out!!!

 

[mjrhealth]

hen why are you on this website giving your opinion and your personal religious doctrines

One if its my opinion than I am wrong but if it is truth than are you to argue with Jesus?? Ceratinly I do not come her for you, you have proved to all that you have no interset in the truth but only serve to glorfy your church and its traditions.

As for personal doctrines have none sorry to dissapoint you, everythinhg I speak of is theer where you can read it, again I say, you just need to open your eyes. Its amazing what you can see when you are not blind.

As for being a hypocrit, just look at he church you love and what it has done to the name of God, that is hypocrisy to its worst form. You where far better off when you where ignorant.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

But you say you can see, and therfore , well you will have to wait and see, so good to have a lving God, who is wel laware of mans arrogance, pride and stupidity.

 

[Mungo]

One if its my opinion than I am wrong but if it is truth than are you to argue with Jesus?? Ceratinly I do not come her for you, you have proved to all that you have no interset in the truth but only serve to glorfy your church and its traditions.

As for personal doctrines have none sorry to dissapoint you, everythinhg I speak of is theer where you can read it, again I say, you just need to open your eyes. Its amazing what you can see when you are not blind.

As for being a hypocrit, just look at he church you love and what it has done to the name of God, that is hypocrisy to its worst form. You where far better off when you where ignorant.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

But you say you can see, and therfore , well you will have to wait and see, so good to have a lving God, who is wel laware of mans arrogance, pride and stupidity.

All you ever give is your opinions. I never see any evidence to back them up.

 

[mjrhealth]

All you ever give is your opinions. I never see any evidence to back them up.

Its in the bible for you to read, but thanI am not here for you, like so many not interested in the truth just your religion.

 

[Mungo]

Its in the bible for you to read, but thanI am not here for you, like so many not interested in the truth just your religion.

Your opinions are in the Bible?

Perhaps you can provide a reference when you come out with one of your nasty diatribes against the Catholic Church.

 

[TopherNelson]

Some people become upset because we (who study to show ourselves approved and rightly interpret the Word of truth) dare to say they are incorrect about their Christianity.
Like the opinions of ignorant men determine Christian truth or something. There is one truth and these people clearly think every ignorant but heartfelt theology must be true because a poor sucker bets his salvation on it like a duck at a stacked poker game.

 

[Mungo]

Some people become upset because we (who study to show ourselves approved and rightly interpret the Word of truth) dare to say they are incorrect about their Christianity.
Like the opinions of ignorant men determine Christian truth or something. There is one truth and these people clearly think every ignorant but heartfelt theology must be true because a poor sucker bets his salvation on it like a duck at a stacked poker game.

I don't think mjrhealth will listen to you.