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Anyone who says that God rejects Israel at any time is of Satan.
Why would God reject his Servants ?
The Born Again of the Holy Spirit are his Israel and they are his Servants.
The Jews who knew who Jesus Christ was at the time, just who do you think they are ?
There is no Jews, it's only a lost religion now with no hope but for Jesus Christ, just as it always was, to say any different is Satanic.
We True Christians have the OT as a blueprint and all and we don't reject the Law at all but we have Grace that over shadows the Law.

Nowadays the Letter of the Law is coming back and the West is rejecting Grace, there will be hell to pay for this crap, just as it was when the Jew rejected the Son of God.

Christ said he would return ? not until Israel accepts him ? boy where has Jesus been for 2000 years ? I thought we were under Grace for 2000 years not under the Law.

I can tell you that the Devil is coming to power and Satan's mob is working to undermine Grace because they reject Jesus Christ and have filthy idols they look up to like Political Correctness that is there god now and this is a religion that they are totally possessed with and it's wiping the floor with Christianity, the lukewarm Christians idolise it as well.

The devil is already in power. He's the prince of the power of the air, Eph 2:2, and the god of this world, 2Cor 4:4. Remember that he offered Christ the Kingdoms of this world.

It makes no difference what the people of the world are doing. We are Gentiles and we have never been under the Law. Israel is always under the law, but since there is no Israel today, there is no Mosaic Law. Law is the opposite of grace. With no Law, we are under 100% Pure Grace

So you're saying I'm of Satan. It doesn't bother me since I know I'm not of Satan and I'm 100% right about Israel. Israel will be back in about 45 years. They just screwed up big time when they didn't accept God's only begotten son. Their punishment is to be a non-entity for 2000 years, while God gathers His all-Gentile church to be the sole occupants of Heaven. We Gentiles are the chosen ones now. We were chosen by God and were predestinated by His foreknowledge before the foundation of the world, but you'll never find any information about this new all-Gentile church in Rom, Cor, Thess, or Gal. You'll only find it in Eph, Phil, Col, Tim. Titus and Philemon.
Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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The devil is already in power. He's the prince of the power of the air, Eph 2:2, and the god of this world, 2Cor 4:4. Remember that he offered Christ the Kingdoms of this world.

It makes no difference what the people of the world are doing. We are Gentiles and we have never been under the Law. Israel is always under the law, but since there is no Israel today, there is no Mosaic Law. Law is the opposite of grace. With no Law, we are under 100% Pure Grace

So you're saying I'm of Satan. It doesn't bother me since I know I'm not of Satan and I'm 100% right about Israel. Israel will be back in about 45 years. They just screwed up big time when they didn't accept God's only begotten son. Their punishment is to be a non-entity for 2000 years, while God gathers His all-Gentile church to be the sole occupants of Heaven. We Gentiles are the chosen ones now. We were chosen by God and were predestinated by His foreknowledge before the foundation of the world, but you'll never find any information about this new all-Gentile church in Rom, Cor, Thess, or Gal. You'll only find it in Eph, Phil, Col, Tim. Titus and Philemon.
Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
(focusing on the Jewish people)​
NOSTRA AETATE
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965
4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.
Nostra aetate

Footnotes

6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6


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DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
(focusing on the Jewish people)
NOSTRA AETATE
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965
4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.
Nostra aetate

Footnotes

6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6


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I like the above. Not much I could disagree with. However, when I peruse the history of the church, which is in stark contrast to the above expressions of solicitude toward those outside of the Catholic faith, on what basis could I be compelled to accept the above and believe those thoughts are the genuine expressions of the current administration and not just the wishful thinking of a former spokesman? Why should anyone trust that the above is a genuine reflection of current curia policy?
 

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The devil is already in power. He's the prince of the power of the air, Eph 2:2, and the god of this world, 2Cor 4:4. Remember that he offered Christ the Kingdoms of this world.

It makes no difference what the people of the world are doing. We are Gentiles and we have never been under the Law. Israel is always under the law, but since there is no Israel today, there is no Mosaic Law. Law is the opposite of grace. With no Law, we are under 100% Pure Grace

So you're saying I'm of Satan. It doesn't bother me since I know I'm not of Satan and I'm 100% right about Israel. Israel will be back in about 45 years. They just screwed up big time when they didn't accept God's only begotten son. Their punishment is to be a non-entity for 2000 years, while God gathers His all-Gentile church to be the sole occupants of Heaven. We Gentiles are the chosen ones now. We were chosen by God and were predestinated by His foreknowledge before the foundation of the world, but you'll never find any information about this new all-Gentile church in Rom, Cor, Thess, or Gal. You'll only find it in Eph, Phil, Col, Tim. Titus and Philemon.
Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I am not saying you are anything, but that you are blinded by the hype of the so called Jewish nonsense.
Christianity is Israel in fact, because Jesus Christ means our Lord and saviour and it is he who is the King of Israel, do you understand that ? he is our King ? the King of Christians in fact ? the people who understand who Jesus Christ is and follow him are his people.

Now the fact is that the Jews who seen Jesus Christ for who he truly 2000 years ago became and are Christians, it's simple as that.
The Jews are not a race but a Religion, end of story.
The Jews who seen Jesus Christ for who he truly was are the People of God and the rest are or were not of Gods people at all in fact !
Fact is that Holy Moses said of Jesus was to come and here he was, now Nathaniel was a true Israel !!! Jesus Christ him self said this for a fact and more, it's fantastic what Jesus says to Nathaniel, it's the high point of the whole Bible that every Christian should truly understand.
Here we have a True Israel !!! that's a fact !!!
Not BS Israel claims that are worthless boastings.

If anyone thinks that something other than Jesus Christ is the way and the Light of the World then such a one is not a true believer or follower in Jesus Christ, such a won must have another Jesus or is just saying lord lord and never knew the Lord as his Saviour. Nathaniel knew this and he was a true Israel.
 

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DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
(focusing on the Jewish people)
NOSTRA AETATE
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965
4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.
Nostra aetate

Footnotes

6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6


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Comes down to what is Anti-Semitism ?

The whole world is fine with Anti-Christian-ism ? nowadays, Political Correct are never concerned with that at all and it's peddled full on.

Anti-Semitism is another front a red herring, a con job game play on the gullible.
What is Semitic ? it's the people of the Middle East race, that includes Arabs, Islamic world mainly on the whole in fact and such in fact has bugger all to do with Jews at all really.

What if someone was Anti-Jewish ? now that's a concept that one could deal with truly and what that means is that a person is Anti of that religion in some way, but does it mean that it is directed to a person in malice, no not at all.
What if one was Anti-Catholic ? or Anti-Protestant ? does that constitute Malice, no not at all. it could do if one was an idiot or a moron especially if one was acting out of malice.

So now I will come back to the new age of Political Correctness utopia that is just a full on Con-job that is king of all the slogans and cunning advertisement game play facades, directed at simple minded dupes, the PC Mob are Satanic they spend millions on spin doctors every year to mislead and so as to creep in to undermine all they can for their utopia madness and use ever tricky in the book to dupe all, they use all there cunning to gain and in power Sodomites and to corrupt children's Gender identity and anyone who questions the PC Mob is attacked full on and Malice is there favoured tool, so as even to destroy anyone's job or prospects and they can get away with doing such easy as pie and that just goes to show how gutless and depraved our society has become, just to question these Nazi type thugs is met with the letter of the Law and no one can defend themselves against the Letter of the Law.
Nazi Germany was where the Letter of the Law ruled and all Communist are the same, you are considered guilty until proven innocent, PC demands such and all the people fear to speak out, due to the malice that will be brought against them.

So when one mentions Anti-Semitic it's in fact just another false advertising game play that brainwashes people, say this lie long enough and people will just swallow believing it and there is many such a game being played, like such false advertising or just a façade that do a great job of misleading, they are powerful slogans.
 

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I like the above. Not much I could disagree with. However, when I peruse the history of the church, which is in stark contrast to the above expressions of solicitude toward those outside of the Catholic faith, on what basis could I be compelled to accept the above and believe those thoughts are the genuine expressions of the current administration and not just the wishful thinking of a former spokesman? Why should anyone trust that the above is a genuine reflection of current curia policy?
First, your so called history is a pile of taurus excretum. Cults have been fabricating history for 200 years, and the SDA's never offer scholarly support for their propaganda. Jesus promised doctrinal fidelity, he did not promise administrative perfection. Yes, some mistakes have been made by members of the Church, but that was sin, not doctrine. You need to stop mainlining that venom you call history. Whatever errors some Catholics may have made against the Jews in the past is condemned by this teaching. That goes for everybody else. Nobody messes with God's people. Look what happened to Berlin in 1944. Look what happened to the Amalekites in 1400 B.C.

Second, nobody expects you to accept any document of the Church as genuine. Just do what the world does and ignore them. The Church teaches the truth, not wishful thinking.

If you don't like the CC for what you think it is, fine. I wish people would harp on recent teachings instead of nattering on the same boring 500 year old arguments that have been refuted a zillion times.

Recent Church Documents 2009-2016
The Papal Encyclicals Online

The CC is a teaching Church, not a learning church. Get in the now, please.
 
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@epostle1 When your church rejects utterly and publically the teachings of such as Thomas Aquinas, who to this day is regarded as one of your greatest theologians, remove his sainthood and declare him a heretic and cruel propagator of murder and injury to the innocent in harmony with your church's recent press releases regarding religious liberty and opposition to persecution as expressed above, then I may begin to believe the modern take on things.
The teachings of 'individual people' like Aquinas were used as the catalyst for later practitioners, and then became policy in order to validate what you now call "mistakes".
But I will be honest. I am not so concerned with Catholicism. I am more concerned with the image to the dark age version of Catholicism now being formulated in high places within American Protestantism, an image based on the same principles that saw the state used as the sword of the church in religious matters. That unholy alliance between church and state in America is what people need to fear and watch out for.
 

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First, your so called history is a pile of taurus excretum. Cults have been fabricating history for 200 years, and the SDA's never offer scholarly support for their propaganda. Jesus promised doctrinal fidelity, he did not promise administrative perfection. Yes, some mistakes have been made by members of the Church, but that was sin, not doctrine. You need to stop mainlining that venom you call history. Whatever errors some Catholics may have made against the Jews in the past is condemned by this teaching. That goes for everybody else. Nobody messes with God's people. Look what happened to Berlin in 1944. Look what happened to the Amalekites in 1400 B.C.

Second, nobody expects you to accept any document of the Church as genuine. Just do what the world does and ignore them. The Church teaches the truth, not wishful thinking.

If you don't like the CC for what you think it is, fine. I wish people would harp on recent teachings instead of nattering on the same boring 500 year old arguments that have been refuted a zillion times.

Recent Church Documents 2009-2016
The Papal Encyclicals Online

The CC is a teaching Church, not a learning church. Get in the now, please.
Germany WW2 was lead astray by a Zionist Jew called Hitler, it was all a game play that all the people swallowed, I have seen such tactics for 45 years in my job played out year after year, with them trying to mislead people for their own gain with every trick in the book.
We are talking about the very best of the Satanist here, they sure are crafty and it's as easy as to lead people astray when you are empowered like they are, it's childes play to such people.
you just set the ball in motion and play with it like a cat.

Someone is always trying to rip me off, they are my fellow Australians as well you know, willingly out to do wrong and I am talking about thousands of dollars here, trying to undermine me and play all sorts of stupid games.

It will not be until people follow Jesus Christ first and foremost that Satan will rule the world and create havoc like they have always done, they reap what they sow !

Teaching Jesus is a guide for your true education and the most important foundation in your life and not an indoctrination, that's lukewarm. everything starts with you getting a handle on that and then you can move mountains.

The 1930's 40's Germans were not bad people they were just misled, the Jews in the Bible were good people but only mislead, one has to get a handle on such and understand the leadership of the people who lead them astray.
The people nowadays are good people but they are being lead astray by Satanic people who know how to play the people for fools, because the people are no awake to such because they are not truly in Christ Jesus, they have their idols that possess them.
 

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@epostle1 When your church rejects utterly and publically the teachings of such as Thomas Aquinas, who to this day is regarded as one of your greatest theologians, remove his sainthood and declare him a heretic and cruel propagator of murder and injury to the innocent in harmony with your church's recent press releases regarding religious liberty and opposition to persecution as expressed above, then I may begin to believe the modern take on things.
The teachings of 'individual people' like Aquinas were used as the catalyst for later practitioners, and then became policy in order to validate what you now call "mistakes".
But I will be honest. I am not so concerned with Catholicism. I am more concerned with the image to the dark age version of Catholicism now being formulated in high places within American Protestantism, an image based on the same principles that saw the state used as the sword of the church in religious matters. That unholy alliance between church and state in America is what people need to fear and watch out for.
This is silly anti-Catholic screeching. Thomas Aquinas holds the rare title of Doctor of the Church, is taught in all Catholic Universities and seminaries, and his "five ways" is still used today to refute atheism. You don't like the truth about the Church and Aquinas so you swallow nonsense that is not grounded in reality.
"Dark age Catholicism" is an invention.

TOPEKA, Kan. — About the least fashionable thing one can do these days is utter a kind word about the Catholic Church. The idea that the church has been an obstacle to human progress has been elevated to the level of something everybody thinks he knows. But to the contrary, it is to the Catholic Church more than to any other institution that we owe so many of the treasures of Western civilization. Knowingly or not, scholars operated for two centuries under an Enlightenment prejudice that assumes all progress to come from religious skeptics, and that whatever the church touches is backward, superstitious, even barbaric.

Since the mid-20th century, this unscholarly prejudice has thankfully begun to melt away, and professors of a variety of religious backgrounds, or none at all, increasingly acknowledge the church's contributions.

Nowhere has the revision of what we thought we knew been more dramatic than in the study of the history of science. We all remember what we learned in fourth grade: While scientists were bravely trying to uncover truths about the universe and improve our quality of life, stupid churchmen who hated reason and simply wanted the faithful to shut up and obey placed a ceaseless stream of obstacles in their path.

That was where the conventional wisdom stood just over a century ago, with the publication of Andrew Dickson White's book, "A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom," in 1896. And that's where most Americans (and Europeans, for that matter) believe it still stands.

But there is scarcely a historian of science in America who would endorse this comic-book version of events today. To the contrary, modern historians of science freely acknowledge the church's contributions — both theoretical and material — to the Scientific Revolution. It was the church's worldview that insisted the universe was orderly and operated according to certain fixed laws. Only buoyed with that confidence would it have made sense to bother investigating the physical world in the first place, or even to develop the scientific method (which can work only in an orderly world). It's likewise a little tricky to claim the church has been an implacable foe of the sciences when so many priests were accomplished scientists.

  • The first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was Father Giambattista Riccioli.
  • The man who has been called the father of Egyptology was Father Athanasius Kircher.
  • Father Roger Boscovich, who has been described as "the greatest genius that Yugoslavia ever produced," has often been called the father of modern atomic theory.
  • In the sciences it was the Jesuits in particular who distinguished themselves; some 35 craters on the moon, in fact, are named after Jesuit scientists and mathematicians.
By the 18th century, writes historian Jonathan Wright,
the Jesuits
  • "had contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers,
  • reflecting telescopes, and microscopes,
  • to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics, and electricity.
  • They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter's surface, the Andromeda nebula, and Saturn's rings.
  • They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey),
  • the theoretical possibility of flight,
  • the way the moon affected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light."
Their achievements likewise included
  • "star maps of the southern hemisphere,
  • symbolic logic,
  • flood-control measures on the Po and Adige rivers,
  • introducing plus and minus signs into Italian mathematics."

These were the great opponents of human progress? Dark ages?

Seismology, the study of earthquakes, has been so dominated by Jesuits that it has become known as "the Jesuit science." It was a Jesuit, Father J.B. Macelwane, who wrote the first seismology textbook in America in 1936. To this day, the American Geophysical Union, which Macelwane once headed, gives an annual medal named after this brilliant priest to a promising young geophysicist.

The Jesuits were also the first to introduce Western science into such far-off places as China and India. In 17th-century China in particular, Jesuits introduced a substantial body of scientific knowledge and a vast array of mental tools for understanding the physical universe, including the Euclidean geometry that made planetary motion comprehensible.

Jesuits made important contributions to the scientific knowledge and infrastructure of other less developed nations not only in Asia but also in Africa and Central and South America. Beginning in the 19th century, these continents saw the opening of Jesuit observatories that studied such fields as astronomy, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology and solar physics. Such observatories provided these places with accurate time keeping, weather forecasts (particularly important in the cases of hurricanes and typhoons), earthquake risk assessments and cartography.

The early church also institutionalized the care of widows, orphans, the sick and the poor in ways unseen in classical Greece or Rome. Even her harshest critics, from the fourth-century emperor Julian the Apostate all the way to Martin Luther and Voltaire, conceded the church's enormous contributions to the relief of human misery.

The spirit of Catholic charity — that we help those in need not out of any expectation of reciprocity, but as a pure gift, and that we even help those who might not like us — finds no analogue in classical Greece and Rome, but it is this idea of charity that we continue to embrace today.

The university was an utterly new phenomenon in European history. Nothing like it had existed in ancient Greece or Rome. The institution that we recognize today, with its faculties, courses of study, examinations and degrees, as well as the familiar distinction between undergraduate and graduate study, come to us directly from the medieval world.

By the time of the Reformation, no secular government had chartered more universities than the church. Edward Grant, who has written on medieval science for Cambridge University Press, points out that intellectual life was robust and debate was vigorous at these universities — the very opposite of the popular presumption.

It is no surprise that the church should have done so much to foster and protect the nascent university system, since the church, according to historian Lowrie Daly, "was the only institution in Europe that showed consistent interest in the preservation and cultivation of knowledge."

Until the mid-20th century, the history of economic thought started, more or less, with the 18th century and Adam Smith. But beginning with Joseph Schumpeter, the great economist and historian of his field, scholars have begun to point instead to the 16th-century Catholic theologians at Spain's University of Salamanca as the originators of modern economics.

And the list goes on.

I can already hear the complaint: What about these awful things the church did that I heard about in school? For one thing, isn't it a little odd that we never heard any of the material I've presented here in school? Doesn't that seem a trifle unfair?

But although an episode like the medieval Inquisition has been dramatically scaled back in scope and cruelty by recent scholarship — the University of California at Berkeley, not exactly a bastion of traditional Catholicism, published a book substantially revising popular view — it is not my subject here. My aim is to point out, as I do in my book "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization," how indebted we are, without realizing it,
to an institution popular culture teaches us to despise.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ic-Church-to-Western-civilization.html?pg=all
 
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Germany WW2 was lead astray by a Zionist Jew called Hitler, it was all a game play that all the people swallowed, I have seen such tactics for 45 years in my job played out year after year, with them trying to mislead people for their own gain with every trick in the book.
We are talking about the very best of the Satanist here, they sure are crafty and it's as easy as to lead people astray when you are empowered like they are, it's childes play to such people.
you just set the ball in motion and play with it like a cat.

Someone is always trying to rip me off, they are my fellow Australians as well you know, willingly out to do wrong and I am talking about thousands of dollars here, trying to undermine me and play all sorts of stupid games.

It will not be until people follow Jesus Christ first and foremost that Satan will rule the world and create havoc like they have always done, they reap what they sow !

Teaching Jesus is a guide for your true education and the most important foundation in your life and not an indoctrination, that's lukewarm. everything starts with you getting a handle on that and then you can move mountains.

The 1930's 40's Germans were not bad people they were just misled, the Jews in the Bible were good people but only mislead, one has to get a handle on such and understand the leadership of the people who lead them astray.
The people nowadays are good people but they are being lead astray by Satanic people who know how to play the people for fools, because the people are no awake to such because they are not truly in Christ Jesus, they have their idols that possess them.
If Hitler was a Zionist Jew, why did he make Lutheranism the state religion??? What is a Zionist Jew?
trying to mislead people for their own gain with every trick in the book
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I am not saying you are anything, but that you are blinded by the hype of the so called Jewish nonsense.
Christianity is Israel in fact, because Jesus Christ means our Lord and saviour and it is he who is the King of Israel, do you understand that ? he is our King ? the King of Christians in fact ? the people who understand who Jesus Christ is and follow him are his people.

Now the fact is that the Jews who seen Jesus Christ for who he truly 2000 years ago became and are Christians, it's simple as that.
The Jews are not a race but a Religion, end of story.
The Jews who seen Jesus Christ for who he truly was are the People of God and the rest are or were not of Gods people at all in fact !
Fact is that Holy Moses said of Jesus was to come and here he was, now Nathaniel was a true Israel !!! Jesus Christ him self said this for a fact and more, it's fantastic what Jesus says to Nathaniel, it's the high point of the whole Bible that every Christian should truly understand.
Here we have a True Israel !!! that's a fact !!!
Not BS Israel claims that are worthless boastings.

If anyone thinks that something other than Jesus Christ is the way and the Light of the World then such a one is not a true believer or follower in Jesus Christ, such a won must have another Jesus or is just saying lord lord and never knew the Lord as his Saviour. Nathaniel knew this and he was a true Israel.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I hope I do not offend, but there were no Jews I think until after the Babylonian captivity, then only the people of Israel that lived in Judea, thus the were called Jews because of their geologic location! Abraham was described as a Hebrew, because He crossed over, at about where John the Baptist was Baptizing, and when we cross over from our worldly ways to follow the Savior, we become as Abraham and His descendants, Partakers in the root and fatness of Israel, for in Abraham's seed [Jesus] the world will be Blessed!
 

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I hope I do not offend, but there were no Jews I think until after the Babylonian captivity, then only the people of Israel that lived in Judea, thus the were called Jews because of their geologic location! Abraham was described as a Hebrew, because He crossed over, at about where John the Baptist was Baptizing, and when we cross over from our worldly ways to follow the Savior, we become as Abraham and His descendants, Partakers in the root and fatness of Israel, for in Abraham's seed [Jesus] the world will be Blessed!
Well that's correct, but on a point anyone who follows the in OT only is or could be called a Jew as in a follower in the old Testament, regardless of race nowadays and as such rejecting the New Testament and Jesus Christ.
When people call me a Jew and insist about that, it's in fact totally offensive to me because they are saying that I reject Jesus Christ straight to my face but to call me a Hebrew I am fine with that, but I know that most do not know what they are talking about, so I just have to dismiss them as such, as there is no point of arguing with most who are like that, because they will rant that I am a anti-Semite and all that crap trap baggage that the New Age Political Correct Socialist Cultural Marxist try to spin and try whip up into a frenzy, the game play is that they are working to empower the masses of uneducated on the subject to be playing to their Satanic tune.
I know that many of the dolts following them have good intentions but they are being manipulated by Satanic cunning.
Satan lays many traps and all the headline grabbers that just are truly not what they at first seem to be, like Ant-Semitic ? first of all what is Semitic well it's the Race of people that come from all over them lands and such has nothing truly to do with Hebrews Religion, the majority of Semitic people are Islamic and have been for over 1000 years, so it's foolish to say rubbish like anti-Semitic, because Christians do not regard race as a barrier and anything we are on about has got nothing to do with race at all.
A truly informed Christian knows what the Jewish Religion is about and what Islam is about, now we are not attacking them but we can point out were they are wrong, is that Sin ? does that make us an Anti-Semite ? no not at all, as a Semite is a Race not a Religion.
But are we Anti-Jewish or Anti-Islam well because one does not agree totally does not make such a Sin and we get on fine on many levels as Christians are welcoming to them, but to point out the facts about them is not a crime, but as for Cultural Marxism and it's Political Correctness gods idols such is a crime, as no one is allowed to have an opinion because you are owed by the Satanic Marxist Political gods, your vote and opinions mean nothing, as you are enslaved by them becoming just like cattle, such is the god and it's gods the idols of the one world religion of Satan.
 

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If Hitler was a Zionist Jew, why did he make Lutheranism the state religion??? What is a Zionist Jew?

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Nothing wrong with Biblical Zion.
But just because one makes claims does not truly make such true, well the fact is that Hitler blood line was Semitic and every trick he played on was straight out of the Satanic Talmud type of Jew book and I believe Hitler was part of a game play plan that is played out by a handful of men that control the whole world.
What Satanist say and do is anything that they can lead you astray with, I have dealt with people like such all my working life, I thought they were good people as well but as experience of time I got to know their spots. such things now stick out like dogs balls to me now.

Protestantism is just a political type wing of protest that is used as an means to an ends, sure many good people and have the Holy Spirit with in the Churches, just as it is so within RCC but the leadership a lot can be questionable said of in all Churches.
If they are not lead by the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ as the head and we are his body well then they are just dead Church, just look around you and see the works of them, the Bible says you will know them by there works.
One has to have the Holy Sprit such is a relationship with Jesus Christ and don't be lead astray by the worldly things.
Satan will promise you everything but rob you of your Soul.
The Nazi Socialist was an invention of the Satanic Zionist Jew, just as it is of the Marxist Communist. it's all trickery playing the people for fools, when studying the OT there are things that can jump out at you when you know the NT such can stick out.

People nowadays in the west are more brainwashed than even the German people were in Nazi Germany, I can see why the Germans followed Hitler in the day, when understanding History of the poor buggers hardships, so they had some excuse, but nowadays the West has no excuse at all to be following Satanist. many people have turn only to delusions and became mush. but that's how it goes, one person or a Nation makes a go for himself or it's self and then the next generation may sustain it but the next generation squanders it all like a drunkard or drug addict and that's what we are seeing take place now, people thinking that the world owes them a living and want everything for nothing. well fact is you will reap what they sow.
 

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I hope I do not offend, but there were no Jews I think until after the Babylonian captivity, then only the people of Israel that lived in Judea, thus the were called Jews because of their geologic location!
I'm sure you meant geographic. But you are quite correct. Those who had gone from Judea into Babylonian captivity and then returned were called "Jews" (Yehudi = from Judea).

After the Dispersion or Diaspora of the Jews in 70 AD, the one who came from Palestine were called Sephardim but those from Eastern Europe and Russia (converts to Judaism) were called Ashkenazim.