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  1. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Oh don't be so serious all the time!
    His image of you was quite creative....
    (not that I agree with it)
     
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    Yes BoL.
    I understand that very well.
    Did he answer you?
     
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    The Jews have all kinds of books they use to learn their religion...
    Very respected books. I can't think of any of them right now.

    I can't think of anything we Christians have like that...
    maybe the collection of writings of the ECFs?
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    At least we admit the problem without paying hush money to the victims or pretend we are the One True Church.


    By Jesus stating it is written' both to satan and His human detractors it shows that God's Word stands supreme in spiritual matters.


    Psalm 138:2 (KJV) I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    This list proves nothing but your own misunderstanding and interpretation of Scripture...and little wonder, seeing your low view of Scripture.
    Let me ask you, on your so called 'oral traditions' how do you know they are truly from God? From demons? Or from man's imaginations?

    For example, how is it that in the tradition of the true apostles who were beaten, hungered, left destitute and crucified...your phony successors live in luxury, travel in bullet proof vehicles and have millions swooning over them?

    How is it that in the tradition of your church, there were before Vatican II, umpteen Roman Catholic communities who would be completely ignorant of God's Word, living in superstitions, never once hearing the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ but plenty about Mary, the saints, purgatory etc., because Rome would discourage private reading of the Scriptures? (I know, because I grew up in one of those gang infested neighborhoods and my wife was RCC)

    How is it that in the tradition of your church, many were tortured under the Inquisitions and many Jews were killed or ostracized giving the name of Jesus a stench to to the Jewish nostrils every time they heard the name of Christian?

    No, keep your stinking traditions, that are formulated after the doctrines of demons and men.
    I will keep my traditions that have been handed down from the teachings of God's written Word.
     
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  5. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    So much hatred.
    I keep asking why but have never received a satisfactory answer.
    The catholic church has made many mistakes....
    BUT we cannot say that the church made mistakes...the church is made of stone.
    MEN have made mistakes, they make power go to their head and do much harm.

    I used to go to a church I liked,,,won't mention the denomination....
    after the pastor had left and gone to a different state, we found out he was stealing money from the donations.

    We all fall short...no matter which church you want to speak of.
    It would behoove us to speak about God's Church...the Body of Christ and learn to love each other as Jesus taught and as disciples should.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    P.S.
    If it weren't for the catholic church,,,you'd have NO BIBLE, since it's that church that put the bible together.

    If you don't think so,,,please provide support instead of more hated.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    I never denied we don't have a problem, I said "At least we admit the problem..."
    Hatred? Read the history and you will see the hatred. Right now the RCC is in 'ecumenical' mode, swooning all groups together under the 'love and tolerance' umbrella at the expense of Truth.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    I see you drank Rome's Kool Aid lie. The Jews wrote the Bible, not Rome. Rome has only given us a mixing of Church and State and a mixing of Christianity and paganism. They are today's Baal, follow them if you choose.
     
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    Nothing for me to study P,,,I know the whole story.
    The church is swooning you say...
    and who is falling for it?
    I don't see anybody....do you?
     
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    They don't use Kool Aid in Rome.
    They do sell bottles of cool water for about $4. when it's really hot.
    Take advantage of those crazy tourists.

    The Jews wrote the N.T.??? How do you figure that?
    Or don't you accept the N.T. as bible?

    The mixing of church and state was horrendous and brought that church down, IMO.
    Which is what the reformation was about, right? Indulgences.

    That mixture did not exist at the beginning and everything was very nice.
    It also doesn't exist anymore now...

    So what exactly is the problem now?
    How do they teach paganism?
    I just don't see it....
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Newsflash: All the Apostles were Jews. BTW, Jesus was a Jew.
    Neither did the 'Roman' Catholic (an oxymoron) Church exist until that mixture. Maybe you are confusing the Early Church, which was catholic (universal) with the later Roman one which was not.
    You can start with 'sacerdotalism' and all their mediators for starters.
     
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    NEWSFLASH:
    By the time the N.T. was put together they were called CHRISTIANS.
    NOT Jews.
    These Christians were killed for their faith...so let's not get that mixed up.

    The early church was universal.....catholic.
    The name just was passed on.
    BTW, there's no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church.
    There's the Catholic Church of the Latin Rite.
    Which is headquartered in Rome.
    It's not like every major city has a Catholic Church.
    Sacerdotalism. Nice word. I agree with you there.
    Only one mediator between man and God,,,Jesus.

    What about Protestant churches where their lead pastor is called
    an Apostle? The Apostles are all dead. If you want to take the meaning
    of the word and apply it to the man...the sent one to teach our faith....
    then we have to accept Priest too...one that can offer sacrifice to God.

    Every church has made mistakes.
    How far back to we want to go?
     
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    It was a dodge and nothing else.
    I asked for evidence and he couldn't deliver . . .
     
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    Yes, but the point is that they never relied on Sola Scriptura - and neither should Christians.
    The Bible refutes this man-made fallacy.
     
  15. GodsGrace

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    The ECFs relied on information passed down.
    But when they picked the gospels and letters to go into the N.T.
    they picked the ones they felt were correct...so they SHOULD have followed through and accepted only that.

    The Catholic church went ahead and made some beliefs of their own...
    for instance the sacraments. Now, I DO believe that the sacraments are biblical...and they're rather beautifully explained for those who don't know. But in doing this..they also created some problems, which I don't care to get into. They are paying the price for it these days,,,but too late, and they STILL won't change.

    I agree with you very much that too many rely ONLY on the bible.
    For instance,,,,they want to understand the covenants ONLY using the bible...this is pretty much impossible unless one wants to study them for a few years.
    Ditto for the Trinity and other biblical concepts.

    It's absolutely necessary that theology be learned from those who know...but this is very much rejected by some.

    The bible plus some theology would be nice.
     
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    WRONG.


    The point was being erroneously made that since Jesus stated, "It is written" - that this was some kind of "proof" of Sola Scriptura.
    This is nonsense, as I have shown by the examples I listed. Scripture is Authoritative - but it is not our ONLY Authority, as the following verses AMPLY show (Matt.16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

    They illustrate that Christ's CHURCH is our final earthly Authority.
    Sooooo, because the Church has grown and doesn't look like the Church of the 1st century, you believe it is NOT Christ's Church??
    The acorn has grown into the oak - the mustard seed into the largest of plants.

    The Early Church Fathers attest to the ORAL Traditions of the Apostles on MANY doctrines, including Infant Baptism, the Eucharist, the Papacy, Church hierarchy, etc.
    Protestant rejection of these Apostolic teachings only came about 500 years ago . . .
     
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    It is utter nonsese to call the Sacraments "beliefs of their own".

    And your desire that the Church "change" its teachings to accommodate the protests of anti-Catholics is ludicrous. This is precisely what has gone one within Protestantism for 500 years - constant change of doctrine.
    The teachings of virtually EVERY Protestant denomination are at odds with the original Protestant Fathers.

    By the way - the Church didn't "pick" the books of the Bible. the Holy Spirit guided them.
     
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    They were called Christians by name but the most were Jews by nationality, and all the Apostles including Jesus were Jews by birth. Definitely not Roman Catholics LOL.

    Umm, the Bereans when confronted by those who should have known (i.e. the Apostles) still checked the Old Testament to see if these things were so.

    Acts 17:11 (KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    ...that is how we are to treat all teachings
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Oh please. The early Church Fathers were all over the map,,,besides, in my book, they were not early enough and had their uninspired opinions. I'll stick with the 'earlier Fathers' like Moses, David, Jeremiah, Matthew, John, Paul, James etc.`.. at least their writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit and can be trusted.

    OK, I don't care to waste any more time discussing with you as obviously your sold on that denomination of yours. I have my convictions, you have yours and they are nearly opposite when it comes to the role of God's written Word in our lives. So have a nice life and I'll pray some day your eyes are opened through the new birth (and I don't mean water baptism). Bye
     
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    The Holy Spirit guides everything.

    Is Confirmation in the bible?
    Are indulgences in the bible? (or even in oral tradition)
    Is purgatory in the bible?
    Mary's assumption? Assumption may be possible,,,but where is Mary's?
     
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