This is a spin-off from another thread.
Question asked:-
"...1) could we be saved without His crucifixion and
Answer: YES.
Yes, without His CRUCIFIXION....
No, without His DEATH...
Explanation:
Men were SAVED By the DEATH of the "WORD of GOD"...BEFORE the WORD, appeared IN A FLESH BODY.
Men ALSO had to BECOME Physically DEAD, BEFORE they RECEIVED their SALVATION.
Scriptural:
The Earth was Created.
THEN during the "MAKING" of the "FOUNDATION" of the Earth...
The "WORD of God" was KILLED "BY":
The FIRST "MURDERER"....Lucifer.
ANY Direct opposition to the "WORD of GOD",
Is an ACT of KILLING the WORD of GOD, by MAKING the Word of God.... A LIE.
Lucifer, was the FIRST Murderer, and the FIRST Liar....when he THOUGHT he could RISE UP "ABOVE" Gods Absolute Authority and Power.
Once the Word of God, was Manifested IN THE FLESH likeness As a Man...
Mankind was GIVEN a MYSTERIOUS OFFERING, that "IF" a man were to ACCEPT, Jesus' OFFERING OF "HIS BODY" unto Death, via Crucifixion; such a man COULD ALSO BE ACCOUNTED BODILY DEAD, fulfilling that mans requirement to DIE ONCE.....AND....
Such man WOULD RECEIVE, the Lords OFFERING OF "SALVATION"...Right THEN...
BEFORE the mans PHYSICAL DEATH.
2) would He have ever died if He was not killed?
God Prepared A BODY, for the Word of God, to TAKE UPON HIMSELF, for the EXPRESS PURPOSE to OFFER that BODY unto DEATH.
So, YES, that BODY WOULD BE KILLED.
Jesus' SOUL and SPIRIT, have always BEEN Everlasting/Eternal; and Suffered NO HARM, when His BODY was Offered unto Death.
It was Gods WILL that Body be Offered.
It was Gods WILL "the TIMING" of WHEN that Body would be Crucified.
Remember, when men on the street wanted to stone Jesus, and he ducked away? That was not the Time for His Body to be Offered.
His Body? No.
Gods Word, (in the beginning ? Via a Thought Lucifer had? ) Yes.
Jews DID NOT have the authority (under Roman rule,) to exercise their own laws of killing a man who blasphemed God.
The Jewish Pharisees, appealed to the Roman authorities, to Arrest Jesus, for violating a Roman Law....as the Pharisees Claimed Jesus was a Instigator, gathering of mixed crowds for and against Him, and that would Lead to RIOTING....which instigating a Riot "WAS a violation of Roman Law".
And there are more details about THAT ^^, of how Jesus' actually came to be Crucified...BY the Desire of Jewish Pharisees...and the Authority of the Romans.
Glory to God,
Taken