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Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the arrogant and evildoers will be as stubble – that Day will burn them up, leaving them neither root nor branch.

Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who long for the Day of the Lord. What will that Day mean for you? It will be darkness, not light. It will be as when someone runs from a lion, only to be confronted by a bear, or as when he leans on a wall and is bitten by a snake. The Day of the Lord is indeed darkness, not light. In no way is this about the Return of Jesus.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and coming fast, no runner is so swift as that Day. That Day is a Day of wrath, of anguish and torment, a Day of destruction and devastation, a Day of darkness and cloud, a Day of trumpet blasts and battle cries against fortifications. I shall bring dire distress on people, they will walk like the blind because of their sins against Me. Their blood will be poured out, their dead bodies like dung. Neither their silver or gold will avail to save them on the Day of the Lord’s wrath. By the fire of His jealousy, the whole land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the land. This is also the “third swing of the sword” Ezekiel 21:8-16, the final judgement of Judah and cannot be at the Return.

Psalms 37:20 The enemies of the Lord will perish like fuel in a furnace, they will go up in smoke.

Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze, like a fire fed with thorn bushes. They are wrapped in a pall of smoke, the land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people are fuel for the fire.

Isaiah 24:19-20 The earth is shattered, it is convulsed and reels wildly. The earth lurches like a drunkard and sways like a watchman’s shelter, because the sins of its inhabitants weigh heavily upon it, and it falls to rise no more.

falls, to rise no more’, from the chapter context, this is not complete or permanent, therefore the world recovers from it.

Revelation 6:12-17 I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal. There was a violent earthquake, the sun turned black and the moon red. The starry host [satellites?] fell to the earth, like figs blown off the tree and the sky rolled up like a scroll. All peoples were terrified and hid themselves, calling out: Who can hide us from the One who sits on the Throne and the wrath of the Lamb? For their great Day of vengeance and wrath has come and who can stand? Isaiah 34:4

Isaiah 2:12-22 The Lord has a Day of doom prepared, for all the proud and ungodly peoples. He alone, will be exalted on that Day. Everyone will throw away their idols and their money, they will crawl into hiding places when He comes to strike the world with terror. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged

All these verses listed above match with the Sixth Seal, an event that takes place before all the other Revelation happenings, such as the trumpet and Bowl judgements, the beasts, the fall of mystery Babylon and the rescue of the ‘Woman’. As it can be shown, the first five seal judgements have already been opened, therefore the next prophesied event that we can expect in our world will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – a powerful and terrible judgement, by fire from the sun, that will destroy His enemies. This will make ‘a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land’, that is all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, when enemies commence their attack on Israel. ‘all peoples will be terrified’.
This will affect all the world and will enable the formation of a One World government, also the gathering of the Christian Israelites into all of the holy Land.
 
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that's a very intresting perspective & yes i agree with you, it could be happening
 

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All these verses listed above match with the Sixth Seal


Except none of them match the 6th seal except the mention of wrath. No fire in the 6th seal events because fire isn't used to harm anyone on the day the seal prophecies of. Not sure anyone thinks of satellites as the starry host either.
 

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Except none of them match the 6th seal except the mention of wrath. No fire in the 6th seal events because fire isn't used to harm anyone on the day the seal prophecies of. Not sure anyone thinks of satellites as the starry host either.
At the soon to happen Sixth Seal event, the sun will be darkened and the moon blood red.
Knowing what it is that will cause those effects, plus all the other Prophesies about the Day of the Lord's wrath; we know it will be by fire from the sun. That is; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Something that scientists know can happen and they warn us about.

Denial of these facts, simply leaves people in the dark about God's plans and clueless about how we should prepare for it.
 

ewq1938

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At the soon to happen Sixth Seal event,

All the seals were opened long ago. Their events are prophecies that happen in the future, at least the events of the 6th seal is yet future.

the sun will be darkened and the moon blood red.

Those happen at the 7th trump, not when the 6th seal is opened.



Knowing what it is that will cause those effects, plus all the other Prophesies about the Day of the Lord's wrath; we know it will be by fire from the sun. That is; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Something that scientists know can happen and they warn us about.

There is no fire that is used to kill people at the second coming. There isn't one single verse that says differently.
 

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All the seals were opened long ago. Their events are prophecies that happen in the future, at least the events of the 6th seal is yet future.
Right; the first five Seals were opened long ago. Proved by the Christian Martyrs since Stephen, having their souls kept under the Altar.
We wait for the soon to happen, world changing disaster of the Sixth Seal.
Those happen at the 7th trump, not when the 6th seal is opened.
No mention of the moon or the sun in Revelation 11:15-19,
Please desist in making unsupported and useless opinions.
There is no fire that is used to kill people at the second coming. There isn't one single verse that says differently.
I agree.
But the Sixth Seal is not the Return of Jesus. It is the sending of fire on His Day of vengeance and wrath, Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1:1-125, Amos 2:1-5
 

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Right; the first five Seals were opened long ago.

Scripture presents them all being opened at the same general time. I'm sure they were all opened when Christ ascended. We are now waiting for trumps to sound.


No mention of the moon or the sun in Revelation 11:15-19,
Please desist in making unsupported and useless opinions.

Events like the second coming are found in multiple chapters but not all use the same language.

I agree.
But the Sixth Seal is not the Return of Jesus.

The 6th seal describes the return of Christ from the perspective of the unsaved.
 

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Scripture presents them all being opened at the same general time. I'm sure they were all opened when Christ ascended. We are now waiting for trumps to sound.
This is obviously wrong, as we have experienced the wars, famines the plagues, and the martyrs have been killed for their faith. But we have not had the dramatic cosmic signs, or any of the effects of the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
The 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls do not start until the desecration of the Temple. Which will be built after the holy Land is cleared and cleansed, esp; the Temple Mount, the existing Dome and Mosque will be gone.
Events like the second coming are found in multiple chapters but not all use the same language.
3 scriptures describe the Return of Jesus; Zechariah 14:3-15, Matthew 24:29-30, Revelation 19:11-21
The rest of the Prophesies are mostly about the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, some years before His Return.
The 6th seal describes the return of Christ from the perspective of the unsaved.
Confused rubbish, more unsupported opinion.
The disasters of the Sixth Seal will affect everybody. We must call upon His Name to be saved.
 

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This is obviously wrong, as we have experienced the wars, famines the plagues, and the martyrs have been killed for their faith.

Martyrs haven't been killed? lol

Anyways, the seals are prophecies of future events. Nothing happens in the real world when the seals are opened, and they were opened long ago.



3 scriptures describe the Return of Jesus; Zechariah 14:3-15, Matthew 24:29-30, Revelation 19:11-21
The rest of the Prophesies are mostly about the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, some years before His Return.

That's closer to 17 scripts not 3, and there are more that describe the second coming like the 6th seal, Revelation 11's 7th trump and part of Revelation 2 and 14.



Confused rubbish, more unsupported opinion.

No.


The disasters of the Sixth Seal will affect everybody.

They happen at the 7th trump second coming. They don't affect "everybody" either.
 

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Anyways, the seals are prophecies of future events
So the wars, famines and plagues we have had and still are experiencing, are just non events?
They happen at the 7th trump second coming.
How can anyone think the 7th Trumpet, Revelation 11:15-19, is the Return of Jesus?
That prophecy doesn't say it is the glorious Return, you have to add to it for that.
ONLY after the Seventh Bowl does Jesus Return. Revelation 16:17
 

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So the wars, famines and plagues we have had and still are experiencing, are just non events?

They are normal events that have always happened.

How can anyone think the 7th Trumpet, Revelation 11:15-19, is the Return of Jesus?

How can they not? It is the return of Jesus, matching what he described in the Olivet Discourse regarding his return.


That prophecy doesn't say it is the glorious Return, you have to add to it for that.
ONLY after the Seventh Bowl does Jesus Return. Revelation 16:17

False. Christ returns at the last trump, before any bowls are poured.
 

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They are normal events that have always happened.
The wars, famines , plagues and the murder of the martyrs, are the labor pangs as Jesus said would happen. Matthew 24:8
They have gotten exponentially worse over the last century.
False. Christ returns at the last trump, before any bowls are poured.
It is the belief that Rev 11:15-19 is the actual Return, that is false. That Prophecy doe not say it is. It says the Lord will destroy those who destroy the earth; which the 7 Bowls will do.
Note that Revelation 15:1 says Gods wrath will only be completed AFTER the Seven Bowls.
 

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Proving the events described in the 6th seal are second coming events:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The same events are described regarding the return of Christ.

the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light = the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth = And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken = the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains = all the tribes of the earth mourn




Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The same events are described regarding the return of Christ.

signs in the sun, and in the moon = the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

and in the stars = And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth

the powers of heaven shall be shaken = the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

and upon the earth distress of nations = all the tribes of the earth mourn


Men's hearts failing them for fear = all the tribes of the earth mourn

For the great day of his wrath is come = And then shall they see the Son of man coming
 

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Proving the events described in the 6th seal are second coming events:
Proof that the Sixth Seal and all of the wrath of God is over before Jesus Returns, is Matthew 24:29-30.
It is just untenable to think that Jesus will burn up and smash the earth, which He has Returned to rule over. At the Return of Jesus, he merely kills the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word. Their carcasses are not burned, as the carrion eaters feast on them. Revelation 19:17-21
 

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Proof that the Sixth Seal and all of the wrath of God is over before Jesus Returns, is Matthew 24:29-30.
It is just untenable to think that Jesus will burn up and smash the earth, which He has Returned to rule over. At the Return of Jesus, he merely kills the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word. Their carcasses are not burned, as the carrion eaters feast on them. Revelation 19:17-21


None of that disputes anything presented. This is a strawman fallacy post. Obviously the wrath begins at the second coming as shown in the 6th seal and Revelation 11.
 

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None of that disputes anything presented. This is a strawman fallacy post. Obviously the wrath begins at the second coming as shown in the 6th seal and Revelation 11.
It refutes everything you present.
The wrath of God happens between Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 19:10. After Jesus Returns, people will look at the carcasses of the wicked dead in horror. Matthew 24:28, Jeremiah 25:33
 

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It refutes everything you present.
The wrath of God happens between Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 19:10. After Jesus Returns, people will look at the carcasses of the wicked dead in horror. Matthew 24:28, Jeremiah 25:33

Revelation isn't chronological so that is clearly wrong. No wrath happened until the 7th trump and the opening of the 6th seal is WAY before that. The 6th seal describes that day but none of the events happen when the seal is opened. Without knowing that about the seals, the seals cannot be understood which fuels the false notion that God's wrath happens in the 6th chapter when it does not.
 

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Thinking that nothing happens when Jesus opens the Sixth Seal, is about the worst rejection of Bible Prophetic truth I know of.
That idea is outright denial of scripture as Written.

All the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls will happen as clearly described. It is a very bad idea to add to or take away from them.
 

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At the soon to happen Sixth Seal event, the sun will be darkened and the moon blood red.
Knowing what it is that will cause those effects, plus all the other Prophesies about the Day of the Lord's wrath; we know it will be by fire from the sun. That is; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Something that scientists know can happen and they warn us about.

Denial of these facts, simply leaves people in the dark about God's plans and clueless about how we should prepare for it.
How does a coronal mass ejection darken the sun?
 

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Thinking that nothing happens when Jesus opens the Sixth Seal, is about the worst rejection of Bible Prophetic truth I know of.


It's an advanced understanding actually. Nothing happened when the seals were opened except John seeing events of the future. It's the trumps that denote actions and real world events. The seals are just prophecies.