The Day comes.....

[Keraz]

How does a coronal mass ejection darken the sun?

The approaching mass of ejecta will obscure the sun and it will strike the moon, causing it to glow bright red.

It's an advanced understanding actually

It's a retrograde understanding, actually. The Sixth Seal IS the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, prophesied in over 100 Bible verses.

Nothing happened when the seals were opened except John seeing events of the future.

When the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His ascension, there were wars, famines, plagues and the first martyr, Stephen; was killed.
All those things have gradually increased in intensity and now we face the ultimate worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal.

 

[BeyondET]

The approaching mass of ejecta will obscure the sun and it will strike the moon, causing it to glow bright red.

It's a retrograde understanding, actually. The Sixth Seal IS the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, prophesied in over 100 Bible verses.

When the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His ascension, there were wars, famines, plagues and the first martyr, Stephen; was killed.
All those things have gradually increased in intensity and now we face the ultimate worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal.

Well I thought about that and if it is a crono mass discharge dark plasma can't be seen with the naked eye. So how would it, I think it would be the spot itself on the sun would be enormous not a little one like below.

 

[ewq1938]

It's a retrograde understanding, actually. The Sixth Seal IS the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, prophesied in over 100 Bible verses.

If you are right then Christ got it wrong because he stayed in heaven to open the 7th seal rather than commence his great day of wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

The approaching mass of ejecta will obscure the sun and it will strike the moon, causing it to glow bright red.

None of that is scientifically correct or possible. The moon turning the color of blood has nothing to do with being red either.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you are right then Christ got it wrong because he stayed in heaven to open the 7th seal rather than commence his great day of wrath.

Here's something we can actually agree on. At the sixth seal, it indicates that His great day of wrath is at hand and soon to occur, but not quite yet. As you pointed out, He is still there in heaven to open the seventh seal, which proves Keraz's theory wrong since He has Jesus descending from heaven before that. I believe His great day of wrath happens after the seventh seal is opened. I believe the reason there is silence in heaven at that point is because Jesus, his angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point (after the seventh seal is opened).

 

[ewq1938]

Here's something we can actually agree on. At the sixth seal, it indicates that His great day of wrath is at hand and soon to occur, but not quite yet. As you pointed out, He is still there in heaven to open the seventh seal, which proves Keraz's theory wrong since He has Jesus descending from heaven before that. I believe His great day of wrath happens after the seventh seal is opened. I believe the reason there is silence in heaven at that point is because Jesus, his angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point (after the seventh seal is opened).

The day of wrath is what the 6th seal describes but the seals only give info of future events. That day will happen at the 7th trump.

 

[Keraz]

Well I thought about that and if it is a crono mass discharge dark plasma can't be seen with the naked eye. So how would it, I think it would be the spot itself on the sun would be enormous not a little one like below.
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As what will happen will be an unprecedented event, we can't describe it exactly. But the sun spot you pictured is many times the diameter of the earth, an even bigger one, that explodes will, I'm sure; darken the sun.
With the moon; it being struck by a mass of superheated Hydrogen plasma, would cause a thermoluminescent reaction, the lunar metallic Oxide dust turned into pure metals and water, with accompanying bright red light.

If you are right then Christ got it wrong because he stayed in heaven to open the 7th seal rather than commence his great day of wrath.

Jesus does not actually come to the earth on His terrible Day of fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4

I believe His great day of wrath happens after the seventh seal is opened. I believe the reason there is silence in heaven at that point is because Jesus, his angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point

The Seventh Seal is merely a time gap. Of about a half hour in heaven.
Which is not the same as earth time and we can easily calculate that from the formula we are given in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8
A 'half hour' is a 48th of a day, therefore the time between the Sixth Seal and when Jesus Returns will be a 48th of a thousand years, that is about 20 years.

The day of wrath is what the 6th seal describes but the seals only give info of future events. That day will happen at the 7th trump.

This is wrong, when Jesus does open the Sixth seal, all the vivid descriptions prophesied about the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will take place. This is made clear by prophesies like Psalms 83, Isaiah 24, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
It will be the event which sets the scene for the establishment of a One World Govt and for all the end time things, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus does not actually come to the earth on His terrible Day of fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4

Yes he does. Those verses are not the day of Christ's wrath mentioned in the 6th seal.

 

[ewq1938]

This is wrong, when Jesus does open the Sixth seal, all the vivid descriptions prophesied about the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will take place.

None of the seals described events happen when they are opened. They only describe future events. God's wrath cannot happen before the crimes of the Great Tribulation have happened. That's what God's wrath is for, to take vengeance on those who are guilty of the Great Tribulation crimes. This is what the 5th seal speaks of, God's wrath will come after more are killed. That happens in the Great Tribulation. Why tell people to wait in the 5th seal when wrath happens right away in the 6th? Obviously your interpretation is wrong.

 

[Keraz]

Yes he does. Those verses are not the day of Christ's wrath mentioned in the 6th seal.

Your unsupported opinion.
There is only one Day when the Lord will send His fiery wrath upon all the earth, it will literally happen whether you like it or not.

None of the seals described events happen when they are opened. They only describe future events

That this opinion is error, is easily proved by the fact of the Fifth Seal martyrs being killed for their faith and still ongoing today.
But the cosmic things and the punishments of the Sixth Seal have not occurred yet. Could happen tomorrow! Are you ready?

 

[ewq1938]

Your unsupported opinion.
There is only one Day when the Lord will send His fiery wrath upon all the earth, it will literally happen whether you like it or not.

That this opinion is error, is easily proved by the fact of the Fifth Seal martyrs being killed for their faith and still ongoing today.
But the cosmic things and the punishments of the Sixth Seal have not occurred yet. Could happen tomorrow! Are you ready?

You are no different than Pre-tribs with this "could happen at any time"-like nonsense. The events of the 6th seal cannot happen "tomorrow". They are the events that happen when the 7th trump sounds and we have a LOT of things that have to happen before they can happen.

 

[Keraz]

You are no different than Pre-tribs with this "could happen at any time"-like nonsense. The events of the 6th seal cannot happen "tomorrow". They are the events that happen when the 7th trump sounds and we have a LOT of things that have to happen before they can happen.

Making the Sixth Seal events match with and combined with the 7th Trumpet, is plainly wrong. They don't match and they are part of a clear sequence, starting with The Sixth Seal, then later the Trumpets and Bowls.
What the Sixth Seal describes could happen at any time, sudden and unexpected. It will be the event which comes as a thief.

 

[BeyondET]

As what will happen will be an unprecedented event, we can't describe it exactly. But the sun spot you pictured is many times the diameter of the earth, an even bigger one, that explodes will, I'm sure; darken the sun.
With the moon; it being struck by a mass of superheated Hydrogen plasma, would cause a thermoluminescent reaction, the lunar metallic Oxide dust turned into pure metals and water, with accompanying bright red light.

Jesus does not actually come to the earth on His terrible Day of fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4

The Seventh Seal is merely a time gap. Of about a half hour in heaven.
Which is not the same as earth time and we can easily calculate that from the formula we are given in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8
A 'half hour' is a 48th of a day, therefore the time between the Sixth Seal and when Jesus Returns will be a 48th of a thousand years, that is about 20 years.

This is wrong, when Jesus does open the Sixth seal, all the vivid descriptions prophesied about the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will take place. This is made clear by prophesies like Psalms 83, Isaiah 24, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
It will be the event which sets the scene for the establishment of a One World Govt and for all the end time things, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

With a sun spot that covered the sun it would be darken.

 

[ewq1938]

Making the Sixth Seal events match with and combined with the 7th Trumpet, is plainly wrong. They don't match

The events match.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Turmoil in the heavens and the Earth and the time of the wrath of God and Christ proves these passages are talking about the events of the second coming. Revelation cannot be understood unless this is understood correctly.

 

[Keraz]

With a sun spot that covered the sun it would be darken.

There will be abut a 24 hour period from the initial explosion and the arrival of the ejected mass. Many prophesies say in that time the sun will be darkened: Amos 5:20, Zephaniah 1:15, Jeremiah 4:25, Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.

A probable reason for the sky to become cloudy is the microwave effect of the initial flash; an Electro Magnetic Pulse; will cause tectonic plate shift and many volcanic explosions, resulting in dense clouds of volcanic ash.

The events match.

But they simply, plainly don't match. History and Revelation show that God's wrath comes more that once.
Those two events are not even describing the glorious Return. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 19:11

Your attitude and your knowledge of the Prophetic Word, leave much to be desired.

 

[ewq1938]

But they simply, plainly don't match.

I have already proven they do match.

History and Revelation show that God's wrath comes more that once.

Not the end times wrath of God. It comes once, at the second coming and the vials of wrath.

Those two events are not even describing the glorious Return. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 19:11

Even those two verses don't match yet both are second coming timeframe. The 6th seal does speak of second coming events.

Your attitude and your knowledge of the Prophetic Word, leave much to be desired.

Meaningless words which I have often noticed belong to the one speaking them.

 

[Taken]

All these verses listed above match with the Sixth Seal, an event that takes place before all the other Revelation happenings, such as the trumpet and Bowl judgements, the beasts, the fall of mystery Babylon and the rescue of the ‘Woman’. As it can be shown, the first five seal judgements have already been opened, therefore the next prophesied event that we can expect in our world will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – a powerful and terrible judgement, by fire from the sun, that will destroy His enemies. This will make ‘a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land’, that is all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, when enemies commence their attack on Israel. ‘all peoples will be terrified’.
This will affect all the world and will enable the formation of a One World government, also the gathering of the Christian Israelites into all of the holy Land.

the first five seal judgements have already been opened

,

False.

all the arrogant and evil doers will be as stubble

Really? That Judgement has already happened? Eh No.

the next prophesied event that we can expect in our world will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath

Really? Have you notified God, You skipped over Gods ENTIRE WORKS of SAVING ISRAEL?

You should spend more time studying than preaching.

Just suggesting...

 

[Keraz]

God will judge mankind – His righteous people will be saved. Acts 2:21

Nahum 1:1-3 The Lord is a jealous and avenging God, slow to anger and of great power. He will not let the guilty go unpunished.

Exodus 34:7 The Lord does not leave the guilty unpunished.

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we deliberately persist in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there can be no further expiation for our sins, only a terrifying expectation of judgement in a fierce fire which will consume God’s enemies.

Isaiah 26:21 The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The sins of the guilty will be revealed.

Psalms 21:8-9 Your hand will reach all your enemies, fire will totally consume them.

Psalms 110:5-6 The Lord crushes kings on the Day of His wrath. He judges the nations.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously, You traverse the earth and trample the nations.

Isaiah 63:1-6 Who is this coming in His strength, from Edom, Bozrah, with his garments stained red? I trampled the nations in My anger, for the Day of vengeance and the year for redeeming My own had come. [Then, some years later, Jesus Returns: wearing blood stained garments. Rev 19:13]

Ezekiel 7:2-4 The end is coming to all the earth, I shall unleash My anger upon the Land of Israel. I shall neither pity nor spare you, I shall make you suffer for your conduct. Doom is upon you – the Day is near, a Day of panic and you will know that the Lord struck you. [The current inhabitants of Israel are judged. Jer. 14:12]

Isaiah 30: 26-28 On the Day the Lord saves His [righteous] people, the sun will shine 7 times brighter and the moon will be as bright as the sun. The Lord comes from afar, [The Lord sends fire: Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1] with burning anger and dense smoke. His breath is a consuming fire. He shakes the nations in a sieve of destruction.

Isaiah 30: 30-33 Then, the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty and reveal His arm descending in fierce anger with devouring fire and tempests of hail. Assyria will be punished [Isaiah 31:8] The Lord will set ablaze a fire pit in Topeth. [near Jerusalem]


Isaiah 30:29 But for you there will be songs, as on a feast day. Your hearts will rejoice, as you go up with music to the Mountain of the Lord, to the Rock of Israel.

Isaiah 29:17-20 In a very short time Lebanon [part of the holy Land] will return to garden land. On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see. The lowly and poor will rejoice and exult in the Holy One of Israel, but the sinners and arrogant will cease to exist.

Isaiah 29:22-24 The Lord says: This is no time for Jacob to be shamed or frightened, for his descendants, [actual and Spiritual] will hallow My Name when they see what I have done, the work of My hand. They will regard God with awe and worship the Holy One of Israel.
Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.
Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

These Bible passages, describing the Lord’s judgement of fire on His enemies, are paralleled by Rev 6:12-17 – the Sixth Seal event. THEN: “in a very short time”, for all His faithful Christian people, there will be rejoicing as they gather and settle in the Promised Land. Isaiah 30:15 In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in trust.

There is no indication that any of these events occur at the time of the Return of Jesus in His glory. Therefore it all happens before then.

 

[Timtofly]

Here's something we can actually agree on. At the sixth seal, it indicates that His great day of wrath is at hand and soon to occur, but not quite yet. As you pointed out, He is still there in heaven to open the seventh seal, which proves Keraz's theory wrong since He has Jesus descending from heaven before that. I believe His great day of wrath happens after the seventh seal is opened. I believe the reason there is silence in heaven at that point is because Jesus, his angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point (after the seventh seal is opened).

And neither of you have quoted a verse that states Jesus remains in heaven. It is your opinion against the opinion of those on earth who actually see the Lamb come to the earth. It is against the opinion of Zechariah who declares His feet touch down on the mount of Olives. Zechariah 14.

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

"Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

The church is already glorified when Jesus is standing on the Mount of Olives. The throne is already built in a temple, and the 144k are already sealed and ready to go to work out of Jerusalem, before the 7th Seal is opened.

Certainly the 144k are sealed before the 7th Seal. Certainly all the church is in Paradise watching as the 7th Seal is opened and the Trumpets start to sound. There is silence in anticipation as if they were on the edge of their seats, waiting for the next act.

 

[ewq1938]

These Bible passages, describing the Lord’s judgement of fire on His enemies, are paralleled by Rev 6:12-17 – the Sixth Seal event.

Except no fire is described in the 6th seal proving that in fact, there is no paralleling at all. Weird thing to go unnoticed right?