The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Davy]

Sorry, but I must interject here.
It's all about the words "worship before thy feet", which is meaning who or Who is it, that we are allowing ourselves to be subject to, and therefore their instruction also.
Here are two points/parables that Jesus revealed about that, with the end results:
Luke 10:38-42 (clue- verses 39 and 42).
Matthew 25:1-13 (clue- verses 8, 11 and 12).

The Revelation 3:9 verse Jesus spoke to the Church of Philadelphia is simple.

Jesus promised He will MAKE those of the "synagogue of Satan" who SAY they are JEWS, but are NOT, to come worship at their feet. They (Philadelphia) represent His elect. And that TIME of those false Jews who worship at their feet is ONLY for the future Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect per Revelation 20.

 

[Earburner]

How many times have I heard that 'cop out' complaint like having, "lived by the Pre-millennial doctrine for most of my life', (sniffle, sniffle...), and only now have I come to the truth! But I was fooled, (sniffle, sniffle), but now I know the truth." I can almost hear you crying, that's such a cop out line of baloney! I may have fallen off a turnip truck, but I wasn't born yesterday. So that kind of stuff doesn't work on me, I know better, been around the world, worked with many different peoples of the world, and served my country.

I am... a Pre-millennialist, but the reason I am isn't because of some cry baby, "I was deceived" kind of bull. I believe the Pre-mill position because that IS... what is written in God's Holy Writ. And how I 'know' this is because of actually doing Bible study directly in His Word for myself (with God's help of course). It is actually a VERY EASY idea to know per His written Word, so when someone tries to tell me they were deceived from listening to men about it, INSTEAD OF checking it out for themselves in God's written Word, then I have to LAUGH at those kind of souls, because they deceived themselves by trusting in man, instead opening up The Word of God and thinking for theirself!

I don't have time to listen to the rest of your useless ranting. I don't believe it is authentic at all, not one iota. Nice stage play though, you ought to be in the movies!

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

As I did, you also should seriously consider "sitting at the feet of Jesus", about 1 Corinthians 2:1-16, and allow John 16:13 to rule.

 

[Davy]

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

As I did, you also should seriously consider "sitting at the feet of Jesus", about 1 Corinthians 2:1-16, and allow John 16:13 to rule.

You should actually STUDY God's written Word with understanding instead of just quoting Scripture that you don't comprehend.

 

[Earburner]

The Revelation 3:9 verse Jesus spoke to the Church of Philadelphia is simple.

Jesus promised He will MAKE those of the "synagogue of Satan" who SAY they are JEWS, but are NOT, to come worship at their feet. They represent His elect. And that TIME of their worship is ONLY for the future Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect per Revelation 20.

You missed my point, because you are determined to see Revelation as all in the future.
Do you not yet understand Isaiah 55:8-9 and Zechariah 4:6.
God thinks in the past, present and future, ALL at the same time, and delivered it as such through the prophets, including John.
Yeah, we can all read the words, but only by the mind of Christ, and Him revealing His truth to us, are we allowed to understand His meaning.

 

[Earburner]

You should actually STUDY God's written Word with understanding instead of just quoting Scripture that you don't comprehend.

Is it Christ in you discerning His own words to you, or is it your natural man-mind studying the doctrines of men? John 16:13 is the correct counsel for a "guide" into ALL truth.
Can you go it alone with just Him, or are you co-dependent on church doctrines to speak through?

 

[Earburner]

How many times have I heard that 'cop out' complaint like having, "lived by the Pre-millennial doctrine for most of my life', (sniffle, sniffle...), and only now have I come to the truth! But I was fooled, (sniffle, sniffle), but now I know the truth." I can almost hear you crying, that's such a cop out line of baloney! I may have fallen off a turnip truck, but I wasn't born yesterday. So that kind of stuff doesn't work on me, I know better, been around the world, worked with many different peoples of the world, and served my country.

I am... a Pre-millennialist, but the reason I am isn't because of some cry baby, "I was deceived" kind of bull. I believe the Pre-mill position because that IS... what is written in God's Holy Writ. And how I 'know' this is because of actually doing Bible study directly in His Word for myself (with God's help of course). It is actually a VERY EASY idea to know per His written Word, so when someone tries to tell me they were deceived from listening to men about it, INSTEAD OF checking it out for themselves in God's written Word, then I have to LAUGH at those kind of souls, because they deceived themselves by trusting in man, instead opening up The Word of God and thinking for theirself!

I don't have time to listen to the rest of your useless ranting. I don't believe it is authentic at all, not one iota. Nice stage play though, you ought to be in the movies!

"Stage play"???
As I had said. It was my personal testimony of how the Lord has worked within me, for His understanding on eschatology. It's still going on. And even now, it's even more pronounced.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16

Do you think that I would lie before God and men, When I know that I am not the only one who abides in John 16:13 for His Truth??

 

[Timtofly]

My "opinion" is scriptural and truthful.
Of course the disciples couldn't know how long the Age of God's Grace would be. Jesus Himself still doesn't know when He shall "come" the third time, in the fulness of His fiery and Immortal Glory. Matthew 24[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Why?
God is not willing that any should perish, and therefore He extends His Age of Grace, as long as people are continuing to repent towards Him, through faith in His Son.

2 Peter 3:7-15
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is [for our] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

So you don't have a handle on there not being a future reign of Christ on earth, despite John declaring that future reality in Revelation 20.

 

[Keraz]

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Who is wise enough to understand this......... Jeremiah 9:12...........and who has God's command to proclaim it? Isaiah 50:4-7, John 12:37-41

In these last days of the present era, scripture tells us that the Church will, in general, be compromising and have many different ideas of what the future holds. But there are believers who are willing to listen to teaching based soundly on the Word, as presented to us through the prophets. It will be these believers who will be better prepared to face these end time challenges and afflictions. Especially keep in mind that God's promises are addressed to the faithful remnant who truly believe and trust in Him, true Christian believers and only those people will be protected on the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath, then later, during the terrible time of Satan's domination, until the glorious Return of Jesus. Revelation 12:14

It is sad that many pastors and teachers base their eschatology on traditional doctrines of their denomination or particular theological school, and thereby fail to carefully ascertain what scripture really means. Or when a text does not fit their current beliefs, then they allegorise it, spiritualise it, culturalize it or rationalize it, to fit whatever they think how God should act.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give the warning? Who will hear me? This peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat God's Word as a reproach and it has no appeal to them. Isaiah 28:9-10

Isaiah 29:9-11 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused.... for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor.....the prophetic vision of it all has become for you like the words in a sealed book.

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where are the men of learning now? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish.

Deuteronomy 32:29 If only they had the wisdom to discern this and understand what their end will be.

Matthew 13:10-15 Why do You speak in parables? He replied: To you it has been granted to know the secrets of the Kingdom, but not to them, for they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding. Happy are you that see and hear!

Jeremiah 33:3 If you call to Me, I shall answer and tell you of great and mysterious things of which you were unaware.

Isaiah 48:6 You have heard, seen the evidence, now admit the truth. From now on, I will show you new things, hidden things that you did not know before.

Isaiah 35:3-5 Steady yourself, be strong - fear not. Your God comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

After the Day of the Lord's wrath: Isaiah 32:3-4

Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf; hear now! You that are blind; look and see! Who is so blind and deaf as My servants and messengers, the ones who have My trust.

Isaiah 29:22b-24 This is no time for Jacob to be shamed or frightened, for they will praise Me when they see what I have done for them. The confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 44:8, Isa 45:19

 

[Earburner]

So you don't have a handle on there not being a future reign of Christ on earth, despite John declaring that future reality in Revelation 20.

I could go for hours on all of Rev. 20, but your contention and dissention is so much in your face, you wouldn't get past the first verse to hear a syllable of what I would say.

Let's try, and please do read my KJV biblical references/comments.
KJV- Revelation 20[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit [this earth, satan's grave of his endless death] and a great chain [chains of darkness. Satan is bound to this earth-2 Peter 2:4, Luke 10:18 and cannot enter back into God's Light, Heaven, or into any "born again" Christian ever again- Matthew 12:29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21-22].
Edit: we, who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, are the "spoils", as described in Mat. Mark and Luke.
As a result, Satan can NEVER take up residence within us again, because He who IS stronger than the "strong man", now lives within us.

 

[Earburner]

Who is wise enough to understand this......... Jeremiah 9:12...........and who has God's command to proclaim it? Isaiah 50:4-7, John 12:37-41

It is Jesus.
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You should actually STUDY God's written Word with understanding instead of just quoting Scripture that you don't comprehend.

I'm sure he has. You're just a hothead who is full of hot air. You are embarrassing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you don't have a handle on there not being a future reign of Christ on earth, despite John declaring that future reality in Revelation 20.

Show us where John said anything about Christ ruling on earth in Revelation 20. Good luck with that.

 

[Earburner]

The Revelation 3:9 verse Jesus spoke to the Church of Philadelphia is simple.

Jesus promised He will MAKE those of the "synagogue of Satan" who SAY they are JEWS, but are NOT, to come worship at their feet. They represent His elect. And that TIME of their worship is ONLY for the future Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect per Revelation 20.

Matthew 25:8
Edit: the foolish virgins realized that the wise virgins had the "Spirit of truth" (oil), and now the foolish were humbly begging the wise to help them.

Though God's word (Psalms 119:105) can be shared, His truth in it can only be revealed/given to us by God's Holy Spirit (oil), which is what the wise virgins had.
Evidently, the foolish virgins allowed themselves to be subjective to "guides" other than Jesus. They had been "sitting at someone else's feet", and were unprepared. But now, being alot too late, they were seeking/begging to be at the feet of the wise virgins.

That you are wrong and your gross assertions are errors, is proved by Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:10, Isaiah 61:5-6....in the holy Land, you will be called the Priests of the Lord.....

Priests=Ambassadors- as with Paul, we also are commissioned by Christ to do the same.
2Cor.5[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Timtofly]

There is a depth of scripture that you are not seeing.
Malachi 3:16 is about those of Israel, whose names are in God's "book of Remembrance", and are seen in Revelation 6:9-11.
What was it, that they each had received?
At what time after Jesus' Ascension, did they receive it?
What are they doing right now?

By the way, the word "remembrance" is synonymous with the word "altar". Do you know why?

All of the redeemed are under the alter and in the Lamb's book of life.

The Atonement was sufficient for every single human ever conceived. Those who reject the Atonement will be removed from the Lamb's book of life.

KJV-John 14[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth*; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he* dwelleth with you, and shall be in you*.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will COME to you*.

* Note:
John.14[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John.14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will COME unto him, and make our abode with him.

> Ever since Pentecost, by His Spirit, has the Lord ever stopped COMING to people?

Rev.3[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will COME in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
1. Jesus has come to us in the flesh.
2. Jesus is still coming to us by His Spirit.
3. Jesus shall come for us in all His Immortal Glory.

Yes, the visible churches of "church-ianity" have messed things up, in regards to the three comings of Jesus.
What else have they messed up?
Plenty!!
Edit:
Rom.8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So why only limit it to 3 times. Seems you are the one not taking full advantage of Scripture.

In the history of man, by years, I am in understanding of it. Simply by my own calculations, from Adam to Noah, I came to the figure of 1656 years, which is the identical amount of years calculated by: Rev. James Ussher’s Annals of the World, first published in 1658. (Site below).
I did not know of his work until much later in my life
Bible Timeline | Houston Baptist University

Given the math already calculated to 1801, and then pushing that out to the year 2022, it would be 5996 years, that man has been on the earth. It appears, from that number, we are only 4 years away from the Lord's return from Heaven. That is If we are going to go by the formula of one literal day is literally 1000 years to the Lord.

So you are not inclined to Remember the Sabbath Day, but are revolted by the fact the Lord God allowed creation 1,000 years to operate like God intended, without sin?

You like sin and the last 6,000 years, but revolted by creation without sin?

 

[Timtofly]

Of course Zechariah chapter 14 is the eternal kingdom, mortal humans won't have access to this river, it's eternal and where it flows brings life

Your problem is, you need to give up on a future millennial kingdom on this earth, found no place in scripture

There are 2 rivers in Zechariah 14. There is only one river in the New Jerusalem. You have your facts conflated.

 

[Keraz]

Priests=Ambassadors- as with Paul, we also are commissioned by Christ to do the same.
2Cor.5[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

The situation now is not what is prophesied to happen soon.
Isaiah 66:21 and some of them, [the people gathered from all the nations; faithful Christians] I shall take for My priests...
Revelation 5:10

 

[Timtofly]

I could go for hours on all of Rev. 20, but your contention and dissention is so much in your face, you wouldn't get past the first verse to hear a syllable of what I would say.

Let's try, and please do read my KJV biblical references/comments.
KJV- Revelation 20[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit [this earth, satan's grave of his endless death] and a great chain [chains of darkness. Satan is bound to this earth-2 Peter 2:4, Luke 10:18 and cannot enter back into God's Light, Heaven, or into any "born again" Christian ever again- Matthew 12:29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21-22].

Your right, your opinion needs a few more references that state the earth is Satan's grave. The earth was created for the sons of God. Sheol was created for Satan and his angels.

 

[Timtofly]

Show us where John said anything about Christ ruling on earth in Revelation 20. Good luck with that.

Show us in Revelation 20 where it declares heaven. Good luck with that.

 

[Earburner]

The situation now is not what is prophesied to happen soon.
Isaiah 66:21 and some of them, [the people gathered from all the nations; faithful Christians] I shall take for My priests...
Revelation 5:10

Isaiah 66:7-21 was fulfilled upon Jesus' first coming in the flesh, by a virgin, through Israel. "Many are called, but few chosen" through His second coming to us all by His Spirit, the river of Life Himself ("I am the.....and the life").
All of such (dead in Christ and alive in Christ) are now waiting for His third coming in His Immortality, to be redeemed and "changed" into the likeness of His immortality, to be "where He is". ("I am the resurrection and......")

Yes! It's all there, the whole story of the three comings of Jesus, fulfilling God's plan of salvation through himself, by the redemptive power of the 6 works, that God gave Him to "finish". Daniel 9:24

 

[Earburner]

Your right, your opinion needs a few more references that state the earth is Satan's grave. The earth was created for the sons of God. Sheol was created for Satan and his angels.

Simply put, sheol is the grave (a pit), the place of the dead.
Any other description is speculation, bordering the fictitious imaginations of fantasy, derived out of the sheer ignorance of religion.