The Day of the Lord

[robert derrick]

I partly agree and partly not. I do think the Day of the Lord began at Christ's 1st Coming, and continues as people get saved. We are told, however, that "night comes when no man can work."

Good job. I knew someone would see the night in the day of the Lord on earth.

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

The night in the day of the Lord on earth, was at Jesus' death on the cross.

The Lord was not on the earth, but went into the heart of the earth.

Neither was any person on earth counted as a believer with the Lord. (Romans 11:32)(Romans 3:9-) None of His disciples and named apostles believed His prophetic word to be as that of the Lord, because none believed He would rise again.

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. (Joel)

The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness. (Zephaniah)

This prophecy is in the same day of the Lord, but is not of the coming of the day of the Lord, which is come with the Word made flesh.

The prophecy is of the night during the day of the Lord:

And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

So even though it may be the Lord's Day in heaven, on earth things will be different, as a variety of Antichrists plague the earth.

The day of the Lord does include antichrists, which have been since the days of the apostles.

The night that belonged to Satan on earth, was with power at Jesus' death on the cross:

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

There is also an eschatological Day of the Lord, described by the Prophets. The current Day of the Lord will intersect with the Eschatological Day of the Lord when the Lord returns, in my view.

The eschatological day is the one day of the Lord on earth:

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.

The day of the Lord coming to earth in the flesh, is the day the Lord begins to rule on earth: it's the beginning of the last days of men reigning on the earth, by their own will.

The Lord reigns over them that love Him today, and the Lord with His saints, will reign over all men and the earth with His second appearing in the air.

There are not two days of the Lord, nor two comings of the Lord, but one day and night.

 

[robert derrick]

With terms like The Day of the Lord, we MUST learn what the APOSTLES mean.

That the day of our Lord Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

To say the day of the Lord Jesus Christ has not come yet on earth, is to deny He has come on the earth in the flesh.

All the prophecies of old were about one thing in common: the Lord Himself would come to the earth.

What was prophesied of Him doing in that day, would be different things at different times of that day.

Here is an example of a Semitic writing style called synonymous parallelism the Semitic Apostles used. They say the same thing twice, and the confirming word tells what the "day" means in this case, and the rest shows when.

1 Corinthians 1:
7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, Robert, to these Christians, Paul is telling them to be blameless in that future event. What is it, Robert?

Once again, the day of the Lord is come, and He appears twice in sight of men on earth, first as a man of flesh and blood like us, and also as the resurrected Lord in the air: both are the Lord from heaven.

We are to be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ today while the day is, and endure unto the end, to be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ appearing again on earth in sight of men.

The error is in speaking of the day of our Lord, as not yet coming to earth.

There are prophecies allready fulfilled in the day of our Lord, and there remain future prophecies to be fulfilled in the day of the Lord. The one prophecy of the Lord coming to earth is fulfilled. There is no future coming of His day, as though He has not already come to earth in the flesh.

The point is not so great as to change the debates of prophecies fulfilled within the day of the Lord, but only that day is come on earth, and will remain on earth, until the earth itself is burned by fire of God.

There is still dispute about His millennial reign on earth, but there can be no dispute that His day is come.

There can be no confessing, that the Lord Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, while also saying that day of the Lord is not yet come on earth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That the day of our Lord Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

To say the day of the Lord Jesus Christ has not come yet on earth, is to deny He has come on the earth in the flesh.

All the prophecies of old were about one thing in common: the Lord Himself would come to the earth.

What was prophesied of Him doing in that day, would be different things at different times of that day.

There is destruction connected with the day of the Lord in the Old Testament, so it is end times and the destruction of the earth. If you want to twist the meaning, that is up to you.

No one is saying that Jesus didn't come in the flesh, but His coming had to do with preparing people for eternal life at the end. That has been the goal ever since Adam sinned and condemned the world.

The error is in speaking of the day of our Lord, as not yet coming to earth.

Show me a scripture that has "day of the Lord" and refers to the first coming of Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Why are you trying to controvert Scripture? The day of the LORD is a very specific time period in the future which may or may not be limited to 24 hours.

It is a very specific beginning, with Jesus coming into the world in the flesh. It is a very specific ending with the world itself being burned up by fire of God.

To say the day of the Lord, however, has not yet come to the earth, is to say that prophesied great and notable day of the Lord, is not of the Lord coming to earth in the flesh.

You must therefore say that the common prophecies of old about the day of the Lord, are not of the Lord coming to earth.

Show a prophecy of the old about the Lord coming, that is not of Him coming to the earth.

Simple.

BUT IT IS A TIME OF DIVINE JUDGMENTS AND THE WRATH OF GOD against an unbelieving and wicked world.

True. Not all prophecies of the day of the Lord coming to earth, are yet fulfilled by His first appearing and resurrection.

But the day of the Lord is come on the earth, with the Lord Jesus Christ coming in the flesh on earth.

What more great and notable day of the Lord on the earth, is there than Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, and in His sanctified flesh and bones on the earth.

It's greater than any time of tribulation and wrath of the Lord on the earth.

The angels of heaven rejoiced in His coming as a babe on the earth, and in the saving of one soul on the earth, but the Lord takes no pleasure in the punishment of the wicked on the earth.

 

[ScottA]

Why are you trying to controvert Scripture? The day of the LORD is a very specific time period in the future which may or may not be limited to 24 hours. BUT IT IS A TIME OF DIVINE JUDGMENTS AND THE WRATH OF GOD against an unbelieving and wicked world.

:) Is not all time from the beginning to the end of time, "A TIME OF DIVINE JUDGMENTS AND THE WRATH OF GOD against an unbelieving and wicked world?"

Is not time often defined as seven, and seven often defined as time--just as the days of creation?

 

[robert derrick]

There is destruction connected with the day of the Lord in the Old Testament, so it is end times and the destruction of the earth. If you want to twist the meaning, that is up to you.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

The last days began with the Lord coming to earth in the flesh.

The end of these last days will be with His second appearing on earth in resurrected body.

The day of the Lord is with two appearings in sight of men. First as a babe and man, and second as the resurrected Lord in the air.

No one is saying that Jesus didn't come in the flesh, but His coming had to do with preparing people for eternal life at the end. That has been the goal ever since Adam sinned and condemned the world.

And still has.

Show me a scripture that has "day of the Lord" and refers to the first coming of Christ.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

The power and coming of the day of the Lord, is the power and coming and our Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh, which is made known to us by His gospel in Scripture.

There is no first coming, because there is no second coming, but only His coming to the earth and appearing before men in the flesh.

There is only His second appearing before all men in the air.

Show me a Scripture of prophecy of His coming, that is not of His coming to the earth.

The unbelieving Jews still reject Jesus as Messiah, because they reject the day of the Lord coming as Lamb of God in the flesh, to be the sacrifice for sins of all men.

They say the day of the lord is not yet come, do they not?

This isn't some permanent conclusion to the debate about the Lord reigning physically on earth, but simply about the day of His coming, which is already come.

Proving the Lord's physical reign on earth, is already done by the prophecies of His reign, not by the prophecies of His coming to earth.

The prophecies of when He comes to earth, and the day of the Lord begins, is simply proven by His coming in the flesh.

 

[robert derrick]

:) Is not all time from the beginning to the end of time, "A TIME OF DIVINE JUDGMENTS AND THE WRATH OF GOD against an unbelieving and wicked world?"

Is not time often defined as seven, and seven often defined as time--just as the days of creation?

True. But that did not include all men on earth, until the death of Jesus on the cross, and His second appearing in the air with His saints. (Except of course before Eve gave birth to the first babe on earth.)

But the first time of the Lord coming to the earth, as prophesied by the prophets, was in the days of His flesh.

 

[robert derrick]

That idea above is false.

So starting a new thread to push that LIE won't help you.

Jesus' 1st coming WAS NOT the "day of the Lord" timing! The "day of the Lord" will be when Jesus' RETURNS in the FUTURE and that is what is written in GOD'S WORD.

The day of the Lord coming to earth, is the day of the Lord Jesus Christ come in the flesh on earth.

And so, show any prophecy of Scripture about the day of the Lord, and the Lord's coming, that is not about the Lord coming to earth, and is on earth.

I.e. show how there are two days of the Lord in Scripture: one where He is come to the earth, and is on earth, and some other day of your's, where He is not coming to the earth, nor is on the earth.

For the day of the Lord coming to the earth, certainly is come with the Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh.

 

[robert derrick]

:) Is not all time from the beginning to the end of time, "A TIME OF DIVINE JUDGMENTS AND THE WRATH OF GOD against an unbelieving and wicked world?"

Is not time often defined as seven, and seven often defined as time--just as the days of creation?

And so, since you agree with the teaching, what does it mean to you?

What significance does it have in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and/or prophecy of His physical reigning on earth for a thousand years?

 

[robert derrick]

Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The day of the Lord is the kingdom of heaven at hand, when the Lord is Lamb of God come in the flesh, to be sacrifice for the sins of all men.

To say that the day of the Lord is not come, is to say the kingdom of heaven is not come, and the Lord is not yet come prepared as sacrifice of sins, and bids all to come by His gospel.

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The day of the Lord, is the day when the Lord is come into the world, with a body prepared for sacrifice for sins of the world.

All the prophecies of His day is not yet fulfilled, but His day is come into the world.

 

[ScottA]

There is destruction connected with the day of the Lord in the Old Testament, so it is end times and the destruction of the earth. If you want to twist the meaning, that is up to you.

No one is saying that Jesus didn't come in the flesh, but His coming had to do with preparing people for eternal life at the end. That has been the goal ever since Adam sinned and condemned the world.

The destruction was and is of powers and principalities in heavenly places. Because Jesus did not call down legends of angels, does not mean that His death on the cross was not the cause of war in heaven, and victory. And since that time, in His name, it continues.

Show me a scripture that has "day of the Lord" and refers to the first coming of Christ.

The scriptures refer to "time", and "day", and "hour", often using the same word. The first hour of His day, began here:

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. 3 And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”​

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4 Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”​

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5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”​

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6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it. 9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”​

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11 This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.​

 

[ScottA]

And so, since you agree with the teaching, what does it mean to you?

What significance does it have in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and/or prophecy of His physical reigning on earth for a thousand years?

I too am surprised to see you agreeing with what I have also said many times: That Jesus did not ascend with His body per se, as many believe, but laid it down and gave it to His church, saying, "take, eat, this is my body." Thereby coming [again] in the flesh. Ours.

 

[Mr E]

Remembering what the day of the Lord is, shows when the day of the Lord comes.

So what is it? What happens when the day of the Lord comes?

It's not simply a time of arrival, nor is it a departure time. Neither the beginning of a reign nor the end times.

The day, is a time of deliverance. "The day" of the Lord, is the time of salvation, when a savior delivers a people oppressed, enslaved and held captive.

 

[ScottA]

True. But that did not include all men on earth, until the death of Jesus on the cross, and His second appearing in the air with His saints. (Except of course before Eve gave birth to the first babe on earth.)

But the first time of the Lord coming to the earth, as prophesied by the prophets, was in the days of His flesh.

Jesus being the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last, does not exclude all people from Adam, but includes all. The First (Adam) unfolded to all people in the flesh--even Christ, and refolds again in the Last (Adam) by the Spirit.

 

[Keraz]

And so, show any prophecy of Scripture about the day of the Lord, and the Lord's coming, that is not about the Lord coming to earth, and is on earth.

A rather confusing sentence.

The many Prophesies that say the Lord 'comes' in His fiery wrath, do not mean He actually Returns then. Proved by Psalms 11:3-4, Amos 1, +

Prophesies such as Isaiah 8:14, Isaiah 29:5-9, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 19:8, prove it to be a one day event.

ONLY after all the Prophesied things from Rev 6:12 to rev 19:10 take place, does Jesus Return and NOT in wrath.
Revelation 19:15,,,,the winepress of God's wrath, refers to Revelation 14:17-20, which is part of the Great Tribulation; over before the glorious Return. Matthew 24:20-30 Confirmed by Revelation 15:1

It is nonsense to think Jesus will destroy the world that He comes to rule over!

 

[Davy]

The day of the Lord coming to earth, is the day of the Lord Jesus Christ come in the flesh on earth.

And so, show any prophecy of Scripture about the day of the Lord, and the Lord's coming, that is not about the Lord coming to earth, and is on earth.

I.e. show how there are two days of the Lord in Scripture: one where He is come to the earth, and is on earth, and some other day of your's, where He is not coming to the earth, nor is on the earth.

For the day of the Lord coming to the earth, certainly is come with the Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh.

The "day of the Lord" 2 Peter 3:10 shows will happen on the day that ENDS THIS PRESENT WORLD by God's consuming fire.

So anyone with common sense knows by that, that the "day of the Lord" is an event set for the LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT WORLD.

 

[Mr E]

The "day of the Lord" 2 Peter 3:10 shows will happen on the day that ENDS THIS PRESENT WORLD by God's consuming fire.

So anyone with common sense knows by that, that the "day of the Lord" is an event set for the LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT WORLD.

No. It means that after the day of the Lord, things will be..... different.

His coming changes things. The old passes away and behold all things are made new.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The destruction was and is of powers and principalities in heavenly places. Because Jesus did not call down legends of angels, does not mean that His death on the cross was not the cause of war in heaven, and victory. And since that time, in His name, it continues.

But Scott, when the devil has been cast into the lake of fire, does it still continue? You seem to disagree with the post you responded to. Jesus didn't die on the cross just to wage war with the devil. Do you even know why He came and what He accomplished?

The scriptures refer to "time", and "day", and "hour", often using the same word. The first hour of His day, began here:

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. 3 And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”4 Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it. 9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”11 This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.

We are talking about the phrase "the day of the Lord." Not hour.

 

[ScottA]

But Scott, when the devil has been cast into the lake of fire, does it still continue? You seem to disagree with the post you responded to. Jesus didn't die on the cross just to wage war with the devil. Do you even know why He came and what He accomplished?

Satan, the manifestation of evil, facilitated the problem from the beginning. It is that problem that Jesus came to conquer, setting Satan's captives free while defeating Satan in the greatest sting of all time.

But no, when the devil is cast into the lake of fire, it does not still continue.

We are talking about the phrase "the day of the Lord." Not hour.

As I explained, the Greek word (G5610) from "the day of the Lord" verse is translated as meaning both "day or "hour", etc.:

The KJV translates Strong's G5610 in the following manner: hour (89x), time (11x), season (3x), miscellaneous (5x).​

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)​

ὥρα hṓra, ho'-rah; apparently a primary word; an "hour" (literally or figuratively):—day, hour, instant, season, × short, (even-)tide, (high) time.​

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Satan, the manifestation of evil, facilitated the problem from the beginning. It is that problem that Jesus came to conquer, setting Satan's captives free while defeating Satan in the greatest sting of all time.

But no, when the devil is cast into the lake of fire, it does not still continue.

As I explained, the Greek word (G5610) from "the day of the Lord" verse is translated as meaning both "day or "hour", etc.:

The KJV translates Strong's G5610 in the following manner: hour (89x), time (11x), season (3x), miscellaneous (5x).​

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)​

ὥρα hṓra, ho'-rah; apparently a primary word; an "hour" (literally or figuratively):—day, hour, instant, season, × short, (even-)tide, (high) time.​

Even if Jesus said, My day has not yet come, it still did not have anything to do with the phrase, "the day of the Lord."