Jesus was giving them a deeper understanding of it....as well as showing them the higher standard of the new covenant. An inward change, not just outward.
The Law never could justify anyone....that is why the new covenant was necessary.
The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament
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The Law never could justify anyone....that is why the new covenant was necessary.
Hogwash.
The phrase "But I say..." indicates a contrast, a going in a different direction than the law.
"You were told to turn left, but I say you should turn right."
No, it's not mutually exclusive like going left or right.......because inward change brings about a corresponding change in outward behaviour as well. That is the meaning of writing the Law on our hearts.........it speaks to inward change, not a matter of outward behaviour only.
Changing the material a covenant is written on does NOT make it a NEW covenant.
If you paid off your home mortgage but the bank sent you a new one printed on yellow paper, would you pay for the house?
I don't know if we're getting our wires crossed, but this is the scripture I had in mind:
Jer 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Nope. I follow you.
If it's a NEW covenant, what law is it referring to?
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I consider that it is the spirit of the Law written on our hearts and consciences. Not the temple ordinances, which were nailed to the cross, but the weightier matters of the law.........justice, mercy, faith, love, purity in morals/ethics etc.....serving in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the letter which kills. It is in a sense a new law........but it is also seen in the old covenant Law. The written Law is God's word.....profitable for instruction in righteousness, correction, exhortation, etc.Nope. I follow you.
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Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Plucking and eating raw corn kernels is not the same as cooking and preparing a meal.
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You've got to remember that it was Jesus Himself who wrote the law on stone and gave them to Moses. If your understanding and what you say is true and consistent, then you have Jesus contradicting Himself. So let me paraphrase how I think you should be understanding what Jesus was saying.
"You've heard it said that the bare minimum of obedience is the letter of the law as written. "You shall not commit adultery". But I say to you that if you even look at someone with lust in your heart, you have already committed adultery".
The "spirit of the Law" is a secular construct, it's not biblical.
2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—
not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Not according to the law.
The Israelites stoned a man to death for collecting fire wood.
David Lamb
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When Jesus spoke of doing good on the sabbath, it was in the context of healing, not doing a job like collecting firewood which, like collectin manna, could have been done the previous day:
(Mat 12:10) And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—that they might accuse Him.
(Mat 12:11) Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?
(Mat 12:12) Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."
amigo de christo
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Christ was making a point about the law . ONLY you dont seem to see it and had rather encourage transgressions .
IN the law itself a male c hild had to circumsized on the eight day . EVEN WHEN IT FELL ON THE SABBATH .
And notice it was THEY CLIAMING he was BREAKING THE SABBATH . HE was NOT breaking the sabbath .
YE CAN DO GOOD on the sabbath . IF a child can be circumsized on the sabbath
THEN one can surely be made whole , healed ON THE SABBATH .
You need to get out of deconstruction before it leads to your destruction .
David Lamb
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I didn't say it was. Jesus used it in His answer to those who had asked Him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" when He was about to heal the man with the withered hand. He was pointing to the hypocrisy of His questioners, who would have no qualms about pulling a sheep out of a ditch on the Sabbath, but wanted to condemn Him for healing the man on the Sabbath.
amigo de christo
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Its not healing . It is doing good though .
NOTICE st steven WHEN certain things were okay .
IT was not okay for men to eat of the bread for priests ONLY .
HOWEVER WHEN IN DIRE NEED , as david and his men had , IT WAS ALLOWED .
You seem not to understand things my friend .
You always seem , however , to always t ry and bring doubt to things that were written FOR OUR LEARNING .
Now that st st even is deadly dangerous . Its okay if men might not understand s omething
BUT ITS a whole nother case WHEN THEY SIMPLY COME TO PLANT DOUBTS quite often as DO YOU .
Something is not right at all with thee my friend .
So how about you make TODAY the DAY , you get back into THE BIBLE for you and just simply read and enjoy it .
Hurry st steven cause no man knows the day of ones own end on earth . And none knows
WHEN the master of the HOUSE will rise up and SHUT THE DOOR , and then ALL OUTSIDE will surely wail .
amigo de christo
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JESUS FULLFILLED the law and did not trangress it even once .
But st steven acts as if JESUS came to allow for trangressions and even did speak contrary to the law .
NO . IN FACT JESUS is the one that the very law and the prophets SPOKE OF .
But abraham send one to the house of my b rethren
to warn them so that they come not into such a place as this .
THEY HAVE THE LAW AND MOSES . THEY have the LAW and MOSES
if they HEAR NOT THE LAW , THEY WILL NOT HEAR though one rises FROM THE DEAD .
WHO would rise from the dead . WHY the VERY ONE THE LAW AND MOSES had pointed too and spoke of my friend .
JESUS did not come so that we could live in sin and feel saved .
HE came to free us FROM SIN and BY FAITH IN HIM we have BEEN saved .
IF folks find that hard to beleive
THEN why come to did paul often tell the church things that never once trangressed the law .
Steal not , be not coveteous , LOVE GOD , Love one another , no effeminate , do not lie
Children obey your parents .
LOVE , WELL THE LOVE THAT GOD PUTS UPON the heart of A SHEEP
Would have the LOVE of GOD . AND would surely worship HIM as always HE desired .
IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH . TO OBEY HIM .
As far as looking to the law for justification , NOT GONNA HAPPEN . ALL FALL SHORT .
But as far as following a love that sure seems to accept sins , things contrary to THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of said law
THAT BE A FALSE LOVE and NOT OF GOD .
But samuel , samuel , we sacrficed the best of the sheep to GOD .
AND what did samuel tell saul . WHAT DO GOD D ESIRE above all . OBEDIANCE TO HIM .
amigo de christo
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and now a word .
If the most loving grandmama of all grandmamas
who did many good works . gave to the poor ,
And yet heard the gospel of JESUS and BELEIVED NOT
THAT ONE IS NOT OF GOD and IS NOT SAVED and will surely perish .
WORKS without FAITH IN JESUS is a death sentence .
As are and as is faith without works . FOR IT IS HE who worketh IN US
what is PLEASING TO HIM . AND our obediance TO HIM , DOES PLEASE HIM .
If the most loving grandmama of all grandmamas
who did many good works . gave to the poor ,
And yet heard the gospel of JESUS and BELEIVED NOT
THAT ONE IS NOT OF GOD and IS NOT SAVED and will surely perish .
WORKS without FAITH IN JESUS is a death sentence .
As are and as is faith without works . FOR IT IS HE who worketh IN US
what is PLEASING TO HIM . AND our obediance TO HIM , DOES PLEASE HIM .
amigo de christo
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And you can rest assured that IF it had BEEN UNLAWFUL to heal one on the sabbath . HE
who gave moses the law would not have healed that man . WHO do we THINK
THE WORD of GOD cannot contradict GOD . And the word was with God and the Word was God .
Many cannot discern for they have no desire for to learn .
Well to learn of GOD . to learn of men they have much desire and that will be their downfall .
Cause man is not infallible . GOD IS . HIS WORD is and His words are TRUTH .
But for those who LOOK to the law for justification , well i SHUDDER for those too .
For all have sinned , all have fallen short of the glory of GOD .
ONLY ONE did not sin . only one man and one man alone did not sin and fullfilled the righteous of the law of GOD .
But he was HE who had created man and all things that are and were HE did create .
Kinda sad and very deadly it is for them , WHO TWIST HIS WORDS to fit a lie of men .
Wont bode well . Cursed is the man whose hope be in man .
BLESSED be the man whose hope be IN GOD .
AND if t heir hope be not in CHRIST , IT BE NOT IN THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM and TESTIFIED ON HIM .
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