The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament
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How many times have I asked you NOT to do this?
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The Ten Commandments written indelibly on tables of stone and stored permanently under the mercy seat in the ark, of which there is the original in heaven being God's throne. The Holy Spirit has written that very same law of love on the hearts and minds of those who love Him. Love is the fulfillment of that law. The law has not been abrogated, it still stands as the great standard of righteousness. The Holy Spirit doesn't convict people of righteousness that differs from the law. If your love doesn't harmonise with the law, it's your love that is misplaced, immature, or misinformed and needs upgrading, not the law. That's how homosexuals justify their sin..."we love each other". That kind of love does not fulfil the law. It offends it..
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amigo de christo
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Many who so called make the claim we love each other , DO NOT really love one another .
Because their love allows sin and unbelief to remain . IT has NO LOVE for GOD , CHRIST ,first and foremost .
NO its love trods HIS words under foot . And it will never once work to the good of any of those who do that type of love .
Allowing sin , allowing sin and error and unbelief upon thy neighbor is not love . IT IS HATE .
But todays generation sees this as loving , as being good as being tolerant .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart . OH they make cliam they DO not hate but LOVE GOD and THEIR NEIGHBOR .
B ut now allow me to finish what was written .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you SHALL in any way CORRECT him and NOT ALLOW SIN upon him .
There love is not THE LOVE OF GOD .
FIRST and foremost THE LOVE OF GOD would have LOVED GOD , CHRIST ABOVE ALL , F IRST and FOREMOST .
But their love trods HIS very words under foot . and alas , as you see it cannot love its neighbor as itself either .
IT ALLOW SIN upon them . EVEN calling certain sins as good and the words of GOD that expose sin as EVIL , as hate.
Many use grace and follow this other grace . WHICH IS NO GRACE OF GOD .
But is it not written and was it not said .
IF the pr ophet be decieved , I THE LORD GOD have decieved that prophet .
I have answered them accoding to the IDOLS of their own hearts . THERE IT IS brakelite . THERE it is for all to see .
Many are under a deception and they love the lie . The lie that has given them
the hope of having salvation and a god that honors their sin . YOU DO SEE the PROBLEM with that god right .
IT AINT THE GOD and it cannot save them either .
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This post is off-topic trolling.
Not that you would care...
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"You would be familiar with Isaiah 58, Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins".
We need to be specific, and call sin by its right name. This, Jesus did. But Jesus never once did that with people outside the faith. Yes, we are to inform everyone in the world that they are sinners, but specifically identifying sin and accusing them pointedly is not a part of the gospel and our evangelical work. Let the holy Spirit convict the world because they believe not, but those who claim to be a part of the household of God, that's where Isaiah 58 becomes absolutely relevant.
amigo de christo
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brakelite ......................
Never sip from that cup my friend . What cup is that you might ask ....
the cup that silences the lips f rom speaking truth .
And everywhere they walked they did speak .
I can assure you that at mars hill not all were of the faith . But when paul was moved , he was moved
to warn out about that IDOLATRY .
Look i know certain rainbows and sins can literally be terrfiying to this church age .
But to
silence lips to feel more secure , NOT GOOD .
You see one in sin , WARNABROTHER , it aint just movies .
Its can seem quite intimidating to see , but unction and confidence is but a prayer away .
JUST simply ALWAYS PRAY to GOD for words . HE WILL GIVE THEE A MOUTH .
But never let our fear or our anxiety become our
god . IF WE DO our lips shall be silenced as have many lips within christendom already been silenced .
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The idea of reaching out to the world is to convince the world that there is a God Who loves them, Who sent His Son to die for them as an Atonement for sin. Also, that this same God not only has the power, but is willing to share that power with sinners that they may overcome and live lives free from addiction, bondage, and the suffering that comes from it. Not only that, but also the truth that the Son of God, Jesus is returning to take home those who have received Him. That's the gospel. It's a gospel of hope, a gospel promising a future.
"“11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ”
Jeremiah 29:11-13 KJV
Constantly railing against sin and pointing out people's defects gives people a terribly wrong idea about Who God is. On the other hand not speaking truth about sin goes to the other extreme and presents a God Whose holiness can be readily ignored and trampled on.
This is why 911 exist Brakelite, and the police force. To report crimes, and allow people to be judged and have charges added to their account....
If people need to be in jail they need to be in jail for a reason.
Of course we got self-defense law but still -- if people see crimes - like someone in the home is pushing on mom or dad or threating them or being abusive towards -- the parents need to make a report....
Ive seen all kinds of criminal cases and people being intergated by the police on youtube. Human beings are always gonna fall short.
Anyone who never thinks they fall short are people who are full of themselves...
Its Jesus that gets people to the Father, and it's Jesus who took care of the people and their sins, what they do from there is up to them.
Im glad the laws of the land exist, and the government. But there are people out there who hate the government and the police at large, and that is not good but I am also glad for people who are parents that here in America people can go online and find the sex offender registry for their state and be able to keep their children safe and aware of any potential predators who might be near by.
- constantly telling an alcholic person they need to stop drinking - doesn't mean a person will stop.
- Doesn't mean they aren't a person who doesnt have faith in God.
But if the alcholic person is beating their children and you see this and dont report it as an example, people are just as guilty as the abuser.
Make reports at least they will have a case if they police force is good and does want to work with you - cause sometimes you do got bad police forces sometimes.
Anyway some comments that i wanted to share from my own mind and thoughts from what I see you write here.
I dont need people telling me anything about sin... the greatest sin supposedly unbelief right? Some say the greatest sin is not performing at the standard a person wants you to be at.
Hope people think for themselves. Sin was taken care of but it seems like the sin of unbelief does exist.
For people to go badger saying believe man believe is just stupid... people gotta decide for themselves.
Jesus fulfilled the old testament law by loving God and loving others though. Apparently there is the Law of Christ, and if you love your neighbor you fulfill the law cause your abiding in Jesus and allowing the Spirit of Christ to help your heart through this life. And the heavenly attributes are shown.
Earthly / Heavenly Wisdom in James 3:13–18
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I think the "You have heard that it was said... but I tell you..." statements are not contradicting the law but fullfilling it. Getting at the intention and spirit of the law."For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." - John 1:17 NIV
I see many examples of the deconstruction of the law in the New Testament. It began in the Gospel accounts and continued into the writing of the Apostle Paul.
It began with the forerunner, John the Baptizer, leading the way. "For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John." - Matthew 11:13 NIV
Until John? Then what?
In Matthew chapter five, Jesus refers to the law as hearsay and challenges it. There are five "You have heard that it was said... but I tell you..." statements.
The most obvious examples are Jesus violating the Sabbath law. (I'll probably get lots of push-back on that) I'm not claiming that Jesus sinned.
Does anyone else see the signs I am seeing here? Let's discuss.
John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.
John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
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Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
The laws were about identifying human sin and our inability to keep the law and to keep the Isrealites in order. To establish the law before we could know we were sinners, Without this Christs sacrifice would have little meaning and relevance.
But Christs fullfillment was about the state of the heart that causes us to sin. Killing came from a hateful and angry heart against your neighbour. So it is the heart and mind which gives birth to people sinning.
Christ came to change the heart and mind and renew it so that the heart desired to please God and naturally keep the law. Though the law itself was not the reason for rightousness.
The same with Christ performing miracles on the Sabbath. The spirit of the law was to love and help your neighbour and if they were in need on the Sabbath then denying such love is a sin itself.
But the pharisee fixated on the law itself without Christ. So everything became about keeping the laws of man rather than living according to the spirit of the law.
Without Christ the law and good deeds become the measure of virtue and rightousness. This is the same for all religions where there is always something to do to make yourself good and to please the gods. Rather than Gods grace through Christ for which we are made rightous not of our own accord or good deeds.
Those miracles could have waited a day until Sabbath was over.
Christ was making a point about the law.
John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.
Matthew 12:1-2 NIV
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath.
His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them.
2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him,
“Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
Thats why Jesus came to fulfill amen! The people that God chose just continued to wax worse and worse over time becoming known as "Spiritually Egypt."
Israel became Egypt and just as Egypt was ruined so did Israel get ruined.
It's important to live by the spirit - not the letter of the law - we were never given it anyway.
Not to live by what man may even say but live by the spirit - which helps to have peace, mercy, kindness, longsuffering.
There are times where you may have to cut people out of your life is just is that way. Jesus didnt hang around with everyone all the time either and he also told his disciples to move on if people didnt want to listen about the message concerning God.
Im a firm believer of allowing for people to choose for themselves at the end of the day. I like what you say about the Spirit of Christ.
Thats the spirit that helps through the suffering !!
We do have state laws that must be abided by to some extent or another but i dont want to gget on a tangent.
I think you said a lot of good and useful things here sir.
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Where in scripture does it state that one is forbidden to help a neighbour on the Sabbath? Even the Pharisees would lift a sheep out of a ditch on the Sabbath. But not a human?
Who said picking fruit when you're hungry was sinful on the Sabbath? Is God not merciful toward the poor and hungry?
I kind of see some middle ground with this too. There are different gifts and callings, as well as an appropriate time to speak and a time to be silent etc. Some save with fear, others with compassion making a difference. Agree that the bottom line is to be led by the Spirit if/when/what to speak, and how. Otherwise we can be speaking presumptuously and dong more harm than good. The flesh profits nothing and usually gets in the way.The idea of reaching out to the world is to convince the world that there is a God Who loves them, Who sent His Son to die for them as an Atonement for sin. Also, that this same God not only has the power, but is willing to share that power with sinners that they may overcome and live lives free from addiction, bondage, and the suffering that comes from it. Not only that, but also the truth that the Son of God, Jesus is returning to take home those who have received Him. That's the gospel. It's a gospel of hope, a gospel promising a future.
"“11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ”
Jeremiah 29:11-13 KJV
Constantly railing against sin and pointing out people's defects gives people a terribly wrong idea about Who God is. On the other hand not speaking truth about sin goes to the other extreme and presents a God Whose holiness can be readily ignored and trampled on.
Seriously?
Work of any kind is forbidden on the Sabbath.
Even the food for the day is prepared in advance.
The restriction against food gathering goes all the way back to the manna collection.
The Law is not just hearsay, but was put in effect by angels and the new testament affirms that it is spiritual....and good if it is used properly...useful for instruction in righteousness, correction, etc. But with the new covenant, we can see the Law in a new and deeper light as well....type and shadows of heavenly/spiritual realities.....and we are not under its curse."For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." - John 1:17 NIV
I see many examples of the deconstruction of the law in the New Testament. It began in the Gospel accounts and continued into the writing of the Apostle Paul.
It began with the forerunner, John the Baptizer, leading the way. "For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John." - Matthew 11:13 NIV
Until John? Then what?
In Matthew chapter five, Jesus refers to the law as hearsay and challenges it. There are five "You have heard that it was said... but I tell you..." statements.
The most obvious examples are Jesus violating the Sabbath law. (I'll probably get lots of push-back on that) I'm not claiming that Jesus sinned.
Does anyone else see the signs I am seeing here? Let's discuss.
John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.
John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things
- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...
Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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Jesus treated it that way. "You heard that it was said... But I tell you..."
Your other statements are from Paul, explaining what they mean.
Galatians 5:4 NIV
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things
- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...
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