The Desecration of the Second Temple.

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I agree with this, but the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man, was a homily; a story to reinforce the fact of our mortal life is the only chance we have to gain Eternal life.
And of course, the focus for the reason of the story, was to tell of Himself, in verse [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
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I agree with this, but the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man, was a homily; a story to reinforce the fact of our mortal life is the only chance we have to gain Eternal life.[QUOTE} Or be cast down into the hell's fire and Eternal torment IN THIS CURRENT TIME. The Word is GOD.

Fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:v.28
The Word is GOD.
 
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^ the answer is,
7 + 60 + 2 + 1 = 70

They all FIVE plus FIVE slumbered and slept: 5 + 5 = 10

And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. The FIVE that were ready
50% went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins
(other 50%), saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But He answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 

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[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Apply God's simple formula, and All 70 weeks are accounted for, from the going forth of the commandment, to the days of Pentecost.
That you are wrong and the 70th 'week' remains to be fulfilled, is proved by how the 6 tenets of Daniel 9:24 have not yet happened.
The 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 year times given in Revelation, are all for the same period: the final half of the last seven years of this age.

Oseas; Please take your shouting elsewhere.
We are all Christians here and although we have differing end times beliefs, this forum is for discussion, not evangelization.
 

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That you are wrong and the 70th 'week' remains to be fulfilled, is proved by how the 6 tenets of Daniel 9:24 have not yet happened.
The 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 year times given in Revelation, are all for the same period: the final half of the last seven years of this age.

Oseas; Please take your shouting elsewhere.
We are all Christians here and although we have differing end times beliefs, this forum is for discussion, not evangelization.

He that is of GOD heareth God's words: John 8:47
THE WORD IS GOD
He that hath my Word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.
 
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They all FIVE plus FIVE slumbered and slept: 5 + 5 = 10

And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. The FIVE that were ready
50% went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins
(other 50%), saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But He answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
And WHY will it be, that Jesus shall "not know" the symbolic "foolish virgins"??
Ans. Romans 8:8-9.

The "foolish" are virgins because their sins were forgiven of them through the Blood of Christ, that was shed for them, BUT in their lifetime, they never came to "The Judgment seat of Christ" to receive it, which is the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13.
That's WHY 5 of the virgins are foolish!

Christ's judgment is found in John 3:18.
 
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That you are wrong and the 70th 'week' remains to be fulfilled, is proved by how the 6 tenets of Daniel 9:24 have not yet happened.
That right there is church-ianity's ignorance and misstep!!
Jesus revealed that He completed those six works of Daniel 9:24 of God in
John.17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John.19[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 

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The 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 year times given in Revelation, are all for the same period: the final half of the last seven years of this age.
Actually, no it does not. It speaks of the joint testimony/witness of John the Baptist for six months, and that of Jesus for three years, totalling to 3.5 years or 1260 days.
Which is the fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel 9, where it says that Messiah is cut off in the midst of that prophetic "one week".

The "two anointed ones" of Zechariah 4:14 come together.
 
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Daniel 9, where it says that Messiah is cut off in the midst of that prophetic "one week"
You have added to scripture.
Daniel 9:26 After the 62 [69 total] weeks the Messiah will be removed..... NOT in the midst of the 70th 'week' the last 7 years, as you and other preterists like to think.

The midst of the 70th week is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, a prophesy about things which have not happened yet and we see they correlate with the time periods in Revelation.
Actually, no it does not. It speaks of the joint testimony/witness of John the Baptist for six months, and that of Jesus for three years, totalling to 3.5 years or 1260 days.
Which is the fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel 9, where it says that Messiah is cut off in the midst of that prophetic "one week".

The "two anointed ones" of Zechariah 4:14 come together.
This is a new idea.
I did consider it, but I reject it for the reason that none of the final 7 years has passed yet and the final 3 1/2 years, is very specifically; 1260 days. Your guess of how long John and Jesus worked for, cannot be verified.
 

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You have added to scripture.
Daniel 9:26 After the 62 [69 total] weeks the Messiah will be removed..... NOT in the midst of the 70th 'week' the last 7 years, as you and other preterists like to think.

The midst of the 70th week is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, a prophesy about things which have not happened yet and we see they correlate with the time periods in Revelation.
KJV Daniel 9:26-27, in verse 26, which "he" is being talked about in verse 27?
Is it "the prince?
Or is it the Messiah?
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Answer: the Messiah

John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.
 
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And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Answer: the Messiah
Correct answer: It is the prince who shall come, the one referred to in verse 26; as the Messiah is cut off.
Jesus didn't cause the sacrifices to cease, they continued for 40 years after his death.

All of Daniel 9:26b-27 is unfulfilled future events, confirmed by other prophesies like Revelation 13:5-5-8
 

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Correct answer: It is the prince who shall come, the one referred to in verse 26; as the Messiah is cut off.
Jesus didn't cause the sacrifices to cease, they continued for 40 years after his death.

All of Daniel 9:26b-27 is unfulfilled future events, confirmed by other prophesies like Revelation 13:5-5-8
Yes, the Jews did continue their animal sacrifices, which is what verse 27 is saying about it.
Sorry, but you have provided the wrong answer.

See verse 27 for the correct answer:
[27] And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he
[Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations [by the Jews] he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Jews had already committed the 7th abomination (Proverbs 6:16-19), and now they were being even MORE abominable, by continuing their animal sacrifices etc., after God Himself had just paid the ultimate Sacrifice of His Son.

Don't you see it? It was the Jews themselves who committed "the abomination that maketh desolate".

Please find the 7th abomination, and KNOW what that was and why it indeed it was an abomination unto God.
 

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You have added to scripture.
Daniel 9:26 After the 62 [69 total] weeks the Messiah will be removed..... NOT in the midst of the 70th 'week' the last 7 years, as you and other preterists like to think.
No, I have not added to scripture. It's simply that my approach is different than yours. I placed the words "one week", that were without placement, among the accounting of all the weeks. All 69 weeks are mentioned together with purpose. That "one week", which appears separate also had purpose, and it is the 70th week.

Many say that God moved that "one week" to the end of time, but only few see that it is to be placed no farther than right "after" the 69th week, which indeed is well "after" the 62nd week.

All are gambling with it, of where to put that "one week". It's a 50/50 proposition of getting it 100% wrong, or getting it 100% correct.

The ONLY way to see/perceive that, is by discerning and understanding who the "HE" is in verse 27.
I refer you and all, to a most formidable clue in
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.
 

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Jesus didn't cause the sacrifices to cease, they continued for 40 years after his death.
In the eyes of God the Father, Jesus' sacrifice of Himself, did cause the temple sacrifices to cease. Spiritually, it ended when God signified it right at the moment when Christ's mortal body had died.
He caused the veil of the Temple to be torn in two, thus revealing that access to God the Father, was now through the veil of His Son's flesh and blood body, now Glorified.

Matthew 27[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; (Mk. 15:38, Luke 23:45).
Hebrews 10[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
 

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All are gambling with it, of where to put that "one week". It's a 50/50 proposition of getting it 100% wrong, or getting it 100% correct.

The ONLY way to see/perceive that, is by discerning and understanding who the "HE" is in verse 27.
Undoubtedly, the 70th week comes some time after the 69 weeks are over, when Jesus was Crucified.
As there is no 7 year period we can be sure of after that and the six tenets of Daniel 9:24 remain unfulfilled; plus the prophesies about the second half of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns in Revelation, we can be quite confident that it remains to happen, maybe in our future.

The 'he' in Daniel 9:27 is NOT the Messiah of verse 26. It is the person described in Revelation 13:1-8 and in Daniel 7:23-27, Daniel 11:21-45

Your determination to reject the possibility that you, personally; might have to experience the dramatic events of the end times, leaves you in the dark about what will happen.
 

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Undoubtedly, the 70th week comes some time after the 69 weeks are over, when Jesus was Crucified.
As there is no 7 year period we can be sure of after that and the six tenets of Daniel 9:24 remain unfulfilled; plus the prophesies about the second half of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns in Revelation, we can be quite confident that it remains to happen, maybe in our future.
Yes, you are correct in saying that Messiah's (Jesus') entrance is after the 69 weeks are over, which of course is for a period of only "one week".
And of course, when one week ends, we can be assured that the next week begins, which in this case is the 70th week.

Therefore, since there is only a total of 70 weeks in that prophecy, one should first prove to themselves, that the 70th week does immediately follow the 69th week, before one takes a flying leap of faith, in order to enter into the realm of a "Time Warp", fabricated by church-ianity.

Man has this inherent problem with "train of thought". All literal words and sentence structure, must be read and studied according to consecutive, chronological order, in straight line thinking.
It's also known as learning by "the natural man", as opposed to learning by "the Mind of Christ".
God says the following about our problem, and how to correct it:
Isaiah 55:8-9, Zechariah 4:6 and John 16:13.

Since God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways, we need to adjust OUR thinking and OUR ways, when we dwell on His words and sentence structure. It's NOT being done according to OUR strait line thinking.

The Jews tried ever so hard to look for their Messiah, and missed the day of their visitation.
 

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Your determination to reject the possibility that you, personally; might have to experience the dramatic events of the end times, leaves you in the dark about what will happen.
These are my only words of reply to that:
2Tim.1[7] For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1John.4[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
 

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In the sentence structure, of how God presented the timing of the 70 weeks, it is all done according to "His thoughts and His ways", which cannot be understood by the process of linear thinking through "the natural man".

His main perspective was to establish the precise timing of when His Son was to physically appear among men of free will.
Therefore, His plot is about His Son. All other players mentioned, are secondary, being at free will.
All of such, do play their parts accordingly, but they are not and never will be the main characters of concern.

By His foreknowledge, His plan is exquisitely interjected and performed around and among them, changing nothing in their own courses at all.

As one scripture simply says it, the scriptures ARE ABOUT JESUS.
 
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Jesus didn't cause the sacrifices to cease, they continued for 40 years after his death.
Perhaps not literally because of the sacrifices still made, but what it means is that there was no more need of animal sacrifice for atonement. The Lamb had been sacrificed. There was no more need for the other.
 
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Perhaps not literally because of the sacrifices still made, but what it means is that there was no more need of animal sacrifice for atonement. The Lamb had been sacrificed. There was no more need for the other.
My point was; During the end times, there will be a strong leader of a worldwide Government, who will force the cessation of worship and offerings in the new Temple. Daniel 7:23-25, 9:27, 11:36, Revelation 13:5-8
This leader will sit in the Holy Place in the Temple dedicated to God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4

Jesus did make the once and forever sacrifice for our sins, but that doesn't preclude a new Temple, where God's faithful people will worship Him and give offerings, in the end times. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41, Ezekiel 45:13-25