The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[BreadOfLife]

i see more insults from BOY BLUNDER Christ was God in the flesh but yet he was spiritual being either way back to the porch and drink your milk for new born babes

Soooooo, why don't YOU tell us why you don't believe that Jesus was human??
So far, your arguments have circled the drain . . .

YOU said that He walked on water - and no human could ever do that.
I showed you that Peter walked on water.

YOU said that Jesus raised the dead, which cannot be done by a humane.
I showed you that Peter ALSO did that.

So - why do you espouse heresy when it comes to Jesus' 2 natures - FULLY God and FULLY Human??

ALSO - since @Taken has repeatedly failed at refuting 1 Tim. 2:5 and its use of the term "Antropos" (HUMAN man) to describe Jesus - why don't YOU give it a crack??
CAN you do this??

 

[Taken]

If Jesus isn't human then you have no savior.

Humans are Corrupt.
If your Jesus IS Human, he is corrupt.
How can what is Corrupt save what is Corrupt?

He HAD to be one of us in order to redeem us.

Listen to what you are saying.
He HAD to be A CORRUPT HUMAN to SAVE CORRUPT HUMANS?

There IS a REASON, God Came in the "Likeness" OF "Particular" Human men.

God Told us the REASON in the OT.
The NT says the REASON was Necessary.

Do you know what Scripture says, WHOSE "LIKENESS" Jesus was manifested On Earth?

This was your response to my question regarding kinsmen redeemer;
This is backwards.

Okay..
Please show IN Scripture ...
Jesus came to EARTH, In our Likeness..A GENTILE, with Corrupt Human flesh.

Also Please show IN Scripture ...
Jesus came to EARTH, In a Human Persons Image.

The whole concept of kinsmen redeemer isn't about us being born again, its about our redeemer being one of us so that HE can offer Himself in our stead.

If Jesus IS A HUMAN...He would have come from the dust.

Please show in scripture where Jesus came from the Dust.

If Jesus IS A HUMAN...He would have returned to dust.

Please show in Scripture where Jesus returned to dust.

This is why God didn't send an angel to be our propitiation, or continuing animal sacrifices which never can fully remove the penalty of sin.

Disagree.
An Angel was not sent for 6 Reasons...
1) Holy Angel messengers were already Sent and MANY men rejected their messages from God.
2) Fallen Angels occupy the earth and can masquerade as light (holy) and trick men into believing a lie that is not from God.
3) Angels (holy and fallen) have great power, and Jesus came without power.
4) Men failed to convince many men to believe Gods word.
5) Angels failed to convince many men to believe Gods word.
6) God Himself is the Ultimate ALL Knowing, and Highest Power Sent Himself to teach Human men About God AND show Human men How to reconcile WITH God.

The perfect sacrifice had to be one of us.

Disagree.

Jesus DID NOT Sacrifice;
HIS Spirit or HIS Soul.
Jesus OFFERED a FLESH and BLOOD Body,
That God prepared, and Jesus took upon Himself.

The perfect Offering...
1) IS UN-Corrupted (PURE) FLESH (body)
....FOR...a Humans CORRUPT FLESH (body)
1) IS UN-Corrupted BLOOD, FOR a Humans Corrupt BLOOD....

In the OT, an Animals pure flesh body and it's pure blood was OFFERED BY Human men...
FOR their SINS committed, Between...
One Offering and the Next Offering.
Called SIN Offering of the Human man.

JESUS...God WITH us...PURE FLESH BODY was OFFERED, BY Jesus...not Human men.
JESUS'...God WITH us...PURE BLOOD was OFFERED, BY Jesus...not Human men.

It is God doing the OFFERING...
God IS NOT A Human.
It is Human men who can ACCEPT His OFFERING, or Not.

What was conceived in Mary was a human baby as well as deity.

Scripture says;
What came forth OUT from God, IS born of God.

Scripture says, what came for out from God, IS a holy thing.

Scripture says, the holy thing that came forth out from God, came out of Gods MOUTH, and IS Gods WORD.

Scripture says, the holy spirit came upon Mary.

Scripture says, that holy thing would be in her womb and come forth out of her womb.

Scripture says, mans will and blood had nothing to do with that holy thing being in Mary's virgin womb.

Scripture says, when that holy thing came forth out of Mary's womb....it would be a son.
And for Mary TO CALL that son...
"The Son of God"
"JESUS"

How does that translate IN Jesus Being A Human?

Humans have SEEDS. A male Seed fertilizes a females Seed during intercourse...And the fertilization takes place in the fallopian tubes, not the WOMB.
A fertalized seed travels to the females womb, and she is THEN conceived, (Pregnant).

Scripture says NOTHING whatsoever about Mary's having intercourse with a man.
OR Mary's seed being fertalized.

How do you Conclude Mary had a HUMAN baby, When the Knowledge of HOW a woman becomes conceived with a HUMAN baby, pertaining to Mary, IS NOT IN Scripture?

"IF" you believe Jesus "IS" A Human...
WHAT SEED fertilized Mary's seed to create this Human baby?

And "IF" you believe Jesus "IS" A Human...
Do you ALSO Believe "Jesus" "IS" God?

IF so, then what IS your God...
A Spirit, without beginning?
Or
A Human, created from dust of the earth?

Quoting my questions and your answer from scripture would be appreciated.

Quoting ANYTHING Specific I said and you disagree with would be appreciated, and I will respond to you quoting my words and verifying scripture.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

TRANSLATION:
"I can't point you to a post because I was never able to refute your Biblical evidence."

Yup - that's what I thought . . .

LOL....Translation...It is a waste of MY time to back track. Do it yourself lazy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL....Translation...It is a waste of MY time to back track. Do it yourself lazy.

Then, why don't you simply repost your "solid" refutation.
It should be easy . . .

Refute 1 Tim. 2:5 and its use of the term "Anthropos" (HUMAN man) to describe Jesus.

 

[Taken]

Please.....you seem to have missed this one Matthew 7:6
6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

LOL... Noted...You are here to make broad snarky accusations....with no substance.

Is Glory to God still bugging you? LOL

 

[Ezra]

Soooooo, why don't YOU tell us why you don't believe that Jesus was human??
So far, your arguments have circled the drain . . .

YOU said that He walked on water - and no human could ever do that.
I showed you that Peter walked on water.

YOU said that Jesus raised the dead, which cannot be done by a humane.
I showed you that Peter ALSO did that.

So - why do you espouse heresy when it comes to Jesus' 2 natures - FULLY God and FULLY Human??

ALSO - since @Taken has repeatedly failed at refuting 1 Tim. 2:5 and its use of the term "Antropos" (HUMAN man) to describe Jesus - why don't YOU give it a crack??
CAN you do this??

sigh your SUCH idiot *****
1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; SIGH your pathetic i said he was born in the flesh he breathed bled etc.. give it a crack you say? i think your on crack
Matthew 15:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. only in your case pups back on the front porch for you

 

[BreadOfLife]

sigh your SUCH idiot *****
1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; SIGH your pathetic i said he was born in the flesh he breathed bled etc.. give it a crack you say? i think your on crack
Matthew 15:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. only in your case pups back on the front porch for you

You didn't refute anything.
I said - refute the use of the Greek term "Anthropos", which means HUMAN man to describe Jesus in 1 Tim. 2:5.

If you can't refute it - just admit it and move on . . .

PS - you might want to take an English course as well ("Your such idiot"??) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL....Translation...It is a waste of MY time to back track. Do it yourself lazy.

Then, why don't you simply repost your "solid" refutation?
It should be easy . . .

Refute 1 Tim. 2:5 and its use of the term "Anthropos" (HUMAN man) to describe Jesus.

CRICKETS . . .

 

[Taken]

Then, why don't you simply repost your "solid" refutation.
It should be easy . . .

Refute 1 Tim. 2:5 and its use of the term "Anthropos" (HUMAN man) to describe Jesus.

Why would I refute what I believe? LOL

My disagreement with you...IS YOUR description of Jesus, claiming He IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does not describe Jesus IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does describe Jesus as the mediator between God and men, and calls Christ Jesus a man.

1 Tim 2:5
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why would I refute what I believe? LOL

My disagreement with you...IS YOUR description of Jesus, claiming He IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does not describe Jesus IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does describe Jesus as the mediator between God and men, and calls Christ Jesus a man.

1 Tim 2:5
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Gee - at LEAST a few hundred posts and you are STILL unaware that the NT wasn't written in King James English,
It was written in Koine GREEK, Einstein.

The word, "man" in 1 Tim. 2:5 used to describe Jesus is ANTHROPOS, which means:

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Anthropos 1:364,59
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
anth'-ro-pos Noun Masculine
Definition

1. a human being, whether male or female
   1. generically, to include all human individuals
   2. to distinguish man from beings of a different order
      1. of animals and plants
      2. of from God and Christ
      3. of the angels
         
         You LOSE.

 

[Nondenom40]

Why would I refute what I believe? LOL

My disagreement with you...IS YOUR description of Jesus, claiming He IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does not describe Jesus IS A HUMAN man.

1 Tim 2:5 does describe Jesus as the mediator between God and men, and calls Christ Jesus a man.

1 Tim 2:5
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

What is a man? The word anthropos means a human;

G444 ἄνθρωπος anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).
3. (generically, in English) a human being.
4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).

Then in John 2 we have;

19 Jesus replied, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again.” 20 Then the Jewish leaders said to him, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and are you going to raise it up in three days?” 21 But Jesus was speaking about the temple of his body.

The word for 'body' is soma.

G4983 σῶμα soma (sō'-ma) n.
the body (as a sound whole).
{used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively}
[from G4982]
KJV: bodily, body, slave

He had a body like us, only sinless.
He was tempted like us, but without sinning
He was born like us, but without an earthly father
He grew, He was hungry, He needed sleep, He could bleed and die. I'm not sure where youre getting the idea He was not 100% human from but its unbiblical. Since His conception was not via Mary and Joseph, but Mary and the Holy Spirit He would not have inherited any sin and as a perfect human being, He is our kinsmen redeemer and the propitiation for our sins.

 

[Taken]

Gee - at LEAST a few hundred posts and you are STILL unaware that the NT wasn't written in King James English,
It was written in Koine GREEK, Einstein.

The word, "man" in 1 Tim. 2:5 used to describe Jesus is ANTHROPOS, which means:

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Anthropos 1:364,59
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
anth'-ro-pos Noun Masculine
Definition

1. a human being, whether male or female
   1. generically, to include all human individuals
   2. to distinguish man from beings of a different order
      1. of animals and plants
      2. of from God and Christ
      3. of the angels
         
         You LOSE.

LOL ~

Do you honestly believe YOU came forth out of your mothers womb; with YOU having the EXPRESS IMAGE of Gods Person?

Do you honestly believe YOU came forth out of your mothers womb; with YOU having the LIKENESS of a Faithful Servant to God?

LOL ~

Try really hard to answer Honestly a simply yes or no.

 

[reformed1689]

So?
What does Jesus being the "seed of THE woman"...or God "made" into flesh...

Have to do with anything SPECIFIC I said that you disagree with...?

And WHAT is the SPECIFIC thing I SAID...
That your quoted scripture is supposedly attempting to verify what I said is not correct?

IOW David...QUOTE my exact words...
Then QUOTE your Scripture.

So far, you have made random claims, about WHAT Specific? Who knows, you didn't say.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus is human accoding to Scripture. That's the point.

 

[Taken]

What is a man? The word anthropos means a human;

Antropos a human...compared to what?

Scripture reveals Jesus was manifested A LITTLE LOWER than Angels.

Scripture reveals what is a little lower than Angels is earthy men.

It is a comparison. A verification, The Word of God, did not come in the LIKENESS of an Angel...(as IN THE OT)...The Word of God was manifested in the LIKENESS as a Man.

He had a body like us, only sinless.

Like ours...ONLY sinless?

It wasn't LIKE OURS...OURS IS SIN!
The Complete OPPOSITE of SINLESS.

He was tempted like us, but without sinning

Actually ...
He was tempted, and Not tempted.
Tempted means...
Someone TRYS to entice (tempt) you to do what THEY WANT.
...Yes Satan TRIED to get Jesus to DO what Satan WANTED....that was Satan being the Tempter....
Tempted Also means...
You consider what a temptER says.
...No Jesus DID NOT consider what the temptER Satan said.

It was a Lesson TO men of HOW TO NOT consider Wicked TEMPTERS, with THEIR Wicked TRYING through their wicked Tempting...

And besides...So what if Jesus was Tempted?
How does that MAKE Jesus A Human?
God was Tempted...Does that MAKE God a Human?

He was born like us, but without an earthly father

Yes, He came forth out of a womans Womb....
How did He get IN that woman's womb?

SAME AS YOU?
Were YOU IN GOD, came out of God, and then SENT to a woman's womb, by the holy spirit?

He grew, He was hungry, He needed sleep, He could bleed and die.

So? So do animals.

I'm not sure where youre getting the idea He was not 100% human

Of course you don't.
I asked you several questions.
i made several statements.
I asked you to quote me and offer your disagreement.
I asked you to ask for any specific verification for what I said.

DID YOU do any of that? No.

You simply imply you are puzzled and claim that what I said was unbiblical....based on what? Pfft.

from but its unbiblical.

Oh...okay...then DO QUOTE ME FROM SCRIPTURE what you just claimed...

I'll do what I asked of you and you didn't do.

Quote a scripture that verifies YOUR CLAIMS...

Show me IN SCRIPTURE that Scripture says, "JESUS WAS 100% HUMAN"....

Since His conception was...Mary and the Holy Spirit ...

WOAH....WHAT?
What are you saying?

Conception..is the fertilizing of the womans seed, by a mans seed (sperm)

Are you claiming, Mary's Seed was fertilized by Gods SEED?

 

[Ezra]

PS - you might want to take an English course as well ("Your such idiot"??) . . .

OK MY BAD YOUR SUCH A IDIOT there i resorted to your tactics ..what you keep failing to do is a have addressed several times with scripture.. Jesus was born in the flesh duhh but yet was in the spirit called lazarus out of the tomb after 3 days . what human being don that ? once again turned the water into wine calmed the ragging storm from the boat ..yes peter walked on water after christ bid him to.. yet he sank.. did Christ sink ? no he chose the time on the cross to die. it is finished he gave up the ghost .i could show you several things he done THAT MAN could not... he was conceived in mary womb .by the Holy Ghost .there was no male factor there to produce sperm to the mothers womb /fertilize the egg .. THAT IS AS FAR AS I CARE TO GO WITH YOU

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ~
Do you honestly believe YOU came forth out of your mothers womb; with YOU having the EXPRESS IMAGE of Gods Person?
Do you honestly believe YOU came forth out of your mothers womb; with YOU having the LIKENESS of a Faithful Servant to God?

LOL ~

Try really hard to answer Honestly a simply yes or no.

I have PLENTY of your "LOL" posts - but no real answers.

Are you going to address the use of "Anthropos" in 1 Tim. 2:5 - or are you just going top ask an endless line of questions?
Address the use of "Anthropos" please . . .

 

[Helen]

BreadOFLife ~
David Taylor ~
CovenantPromise ~

Let me make this VERY SIMPLE for y'all.
I will give ONE statement...

YOU can QUOTE MY statement and QUOTE Scripture that PROVES my one statement is FALSE...and move on from there...

Jesus "IS" not "A" Human man.

Glory to God,
Taken

Agree,....
He WAS for 33 years. Then He rose again and took back His glory which He had laid aside.

 

[BreadOfLife]

OK MY BAD YOUR SUCH A IDIOT there i resorted to your tactics ..what you keep failing to do is a have addressed several times with scripture.. Jesus was born in the flesh duhh but yet was in the spirit called lazarus out of the tomb after 3 days . what human being don that ? once again turned the water into wine calmed the ragging storm from the boat ..yes peter walked on water after christ bid him to.. yet he sank.. did Christ sink ? no he chose the time on the cross to die. it is finished he gave up the ghost .i could show you several things he done THAT MAN could not... he was conceived in mary womb .by the Holy Ghost .there was no male factor there to produce sperm to the mothers womb /fertilize the egg .. THAT IS AS FAR AS I CARE TO GO WITH YOU

No - you can't go anywhere with that because it's nonsense.

Neither you nor your fellow genius, can explain why Jesus is called "Anthropos" (HUMAN) in 1 Tim. 2:15.
Until you can explain this - you have LOST this argument.

Sorry - but that's how a debate works . . .


PS - your grammar is still atrocious.
It's not "YOUR SUCH A ID . . ."
It's, "YOU'RE SUCH AN ID . . ."

Did you ever go to school??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Agree,....
He WAS for 33 years. Then He rose again and took back His glory which He had laid aside.

He is still human AND God.
He has a glorified body - like WE will get at the Resurrection.

He no longer has a corruptible body.

 

[Helen]

He is still human AND God.
He has a glorified body - like WE will get at the Resurrection.

He no longer has a corruptible body.

I am not a marathon poster like you and @Taken ...so I won't argue the point here...

But when we read the description of The Lamb Of God in the book of Revelation ....it is nothing at all like what He was like here when He took on the flesh as a Son Of Man.

Everyone likes to think of the Jesus which WAS, not the Jesus Lamb Of God which IS! The paintings and pictures amazingly choose the man who walked 33 yrs...not the Jesus which IS today..they feel more comfortable to relate to what was , not that really IS!!

Revelation 1
13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. "
and..
Revelation 19-
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

Blessing...Helen