The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[BreadOfLife]

First of all, YOU are the one saying "kecharitomeme" is a Title.

King is a Title, and used repeatedly in Scripture;
King + Name.

Lord is a Title, and used repeatedly in Scripture;
Lord + Name.

Show Mary being addressed repeatedly with that Title + Mary.

How many times must you have it explained?
That it was a ONE TIME EVENT for the Lord to be revealed on EARTH, in the same fashion that Earthly men are revealed on Earth?
That the Word of God came forth out from God, sent to Mary's Womb, was revealed coming forth out from Mary's Womb and was to be called the Son of God, the Son of the Highest, JESUS.

Is Mary God?
Is Mary the Highest?

Glory to God,
Taken

Actually, I was going to respond - but @Mungo has already done a masterful job, so no further response is necessary . . .

 

[Taken]

Ah! The"carnal" argument. Usually trotted out by Protestants when they lose the argument.

Your error. It is Scriptural.

Your testimony is Carnal "Logical" mindful sense...

And Jesus was and is God
Therefore Mary was and is the Mother of God.

Mary was the earthly Mother of ... Just what Scripture says;
JESUS / her Lord.

Scripture NEVER says Mary was the Mother of...Christ.

The Word of God, was Sent from Heaven, to Mary's Womb. The "holy thing"...(Ie The Word of God), came forth from Mary's Womb...

GOD SAID; call that Holy Thing (Ie The Word of God)...
The Son of God
JESUS

"They" the Apostles: (and others who heard Him and Saw Him) First Knew Jesus...
"As a man"...
(just as God Sent His Word ...IN a BODY God "Prepared" For His Word To Be Seen, "As A man" and AFTERWARDS, Those that Believed That "holy thing" "IS" The Word of God...

"THEY", are Given "Spiritual Understanding" From God, That Jesus IS The Christ...God incarnate.

"THAT" ^^ IS the ORDER and WAY Scripture Teaches.

Jesus came to EARTH "WITHOUT" reputation.
"WITH" being revealed; "The holy THING, called the Word of God...
"WITHOUT" being revealed; "The POWER" OF GOD, (ie the Christ).

So HOW in these MODERN DAYS of "TEACHING" did "YOU" learn ...
"JESUS" is the CHRIST?
Because of "other" mens "TESTIMONY" and "TEACHING"?
OR
As Scripture teaches; BECAUSE you Believed Jesus is the "WORD of God", and GOD Himself told you; Jesus is the Christ?

And why do you say, Jesus is God, "THEREFORE" Mary is the Mother of God; WHEN Scriture says no such thing?
Scripture teaches God is without Mother or Father?

^ that to me appears to be "CARNAL conclusion".

Col 1
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom andspiritual understanding;

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Not clear at all.

Pentecost was not about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit but receiving the Holy Spirit for action. Being "clothed with power" as Luke put it (Lk 24:49)

Disagree.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Actually, I was going to respond - but @Mungo has already done a masterful job, so no further response is necessary . . .

It's so liberal of you to respond to say you are not going to respond...LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

Mary was the earthly Mother of ... Just what Scripture says;
JESUS / her Lord.

Scripture NEVER says Mary was the Mother of...Christ.

.....

"THEY", are Given "Spiritual Understanding" From God, That Jesus IS The Christ...God incarnate.

Dear Taken,

As you said above,

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Jesus IS the Christ.

Ergo, Mary is the mother of Christ.

You are doing a lot of dancing to try and avoid what your own words clearly admit....


Mother Mary, pray for us!

Peace be with you!

 

[Ezra]

Pentecost was not about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit but receiving the Holy Spirit for action. Being "clothed with power" as Luke put it (Lk 24:49)

to receive the spirit there has to be a indwelling .the Holy Spirit lives in us so we can have the power

Ah! The"carnal" argument. Usually trotted out by catholics when they lose the argument.

 

[Ezra]

Mother Mary, pray for us!

where do you find that at in the BIBLE please give book chapter and verse other wise its false teaching . see that's where the error comes in . we provide clear scripture you all just deny it

 

[Philip James]

where do you find that at in the BIBLE please give book chapter and verse other wise its false teaching . see that's where the error comes in . we provide clear scripture you all just deny it

The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

Sts Polycarp and Ignatius pray for us!

Peace be with you!

 

[Ezra]

The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

Sts Polycarp and Ignatius pray for us!

yes it is but these two CANT PRAY there Dead the holy spirit is our intercessory not mother mary or Polycarp and Ignatius .in fact those saved are saints see ican approach the throne of GRACE any time

 

[Philip James]

yes it is but these two CANT PRAY there Dead

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Sts Cyril and Francis pray for us!

Peace!

 

[BreadOfLife]

where do you find that at in the BIBLE please give book chapter and verse other wise its false teaching . see that's where the error comes in . we provide clear scripture you all just deny it

Rev. 5:7-8
He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne. When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.

Intercession from those in Heaven.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's so liberal of you to respond to say you are not going to respond...LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

I don't know about "liberal". I was being merciful.

You've taken quite a beating here.
Why add to the carnage?

 

[Taken]

Jesus IS the Christ.

How do you know this?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I don't know about "liberal". I was being merciful.

You've taken quite a beating here.
Why add to the carnage?

Doing the two-step with you guys is like a walk in the park...Jurassic Park...you know, like it is supposed to be intimidating...but instead it's comical.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Mungo]

to receive the spirit there has to be a indwelling .the Holy Spirit lives in us so we can have the power

How does that contradict what I said?
Answer - it doesn't

 

[Mungo]

Your error. It is Scriptural.

Your testimony is Carnal "Logical" mindful sense...



Mary was the earthly Mother of ... Just what Scripture says;
JESUS / her Lord.

Scripture NEVER says Mary was the Mother of...Christ.

The Word of God, was Sent from Heaven, to Mary's Womb. The "holy thing"...(Ie The Word of God), came forth from Mary's Womb...

GOD SAID; call that Holy Thing (Ie The Word of God)...
The Son of God
JESUS

"They" the Apostles: (and others who heard Him and Saw Him) First Knew Jesus...
"As a man"...
(just as God Sent His Word ...IN a BODY God "Prepared" For His Word To Be Seen, "As A man" and AFTERWARDS, Those that Believed That "holy thing" "IS" The Word of God...

"THEY", are Given "Spiritual Understanding" From God, That Jesus IS The Christ...God incarnate.

"THAT" ^^ IS the ORDER and WAY Scripture Teaches.

Jesus came to EARTH "WITHOUT" reputation.
"WITH" being revealed; "The holy THING, called the Word of God...
"WITHOUT" being revealed; "The POWER" OF GOD, (ie the Christ).

So HOW in these MODERN DAYS of "TEACHING" did "YOU" learn ...
"JESUS" is the CHRIST?
Because of "other" mens "TESTIMONY" and "TEACHING"?
OR
As Scripture teaches; BECAUSE you Believed Jesus is the "WORD of God", and GOD Himself told you; Jesus is the Christ?

And why do you say, Jesus is God, "THEREFORE" Mary is the Mother of God; WHEN Scriture says no such thing?
Scripture teaches God is without Mother or Father?

^ that to me appears to be "CARNAL conclusion".

Glory to God,
Taken

You say "It is Scriptural" and then provide not a single scripture.

 

[Mungo]

we provide clear scripture you all just deny it

How can you say that immediately after this post to me:
"to receive the spirit there has to be a indwelling .the Holy Spirit lives in us so we can have the power"

No scripture there to back up your personal and fallible opinion.

 

[Mungo]

yes it is but these two CANT PRAY there Dead the holy spirit is our intercessory not mother mary or Polycarp and Ignatius .in fact those saved are saints see ican approach the throne of GRACE any time

Another statement with no scripture.

 

[brakelite]

Another statement with no scripture.

Surely you're not suggesting they're not dead? Do we really need scripture to ascertain whether someone who lived 1800 years ago is now very dead, and therefore can't hear you when you talk to him?

 

[Taken]

You say "It is Scriptural" and then provide not a single scripture.

[7]...the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

What Scripture says;

A "holy thing" was sent to Mary's Womb.
From Mary's womb would come forth, that "holy thing".
Luke 1:35

That "holy thing" is to be called:
The Son of the Highest.
Luke 1:31

That "holy thing" is to be called;
JESUS.
Luke 1:30

That, Jesus "WAS NOT SENT TO EARTH with his "REPUTATION".
Phil 2:7

You may have LEARNED, OF Jesus' "REPUTATION" He had IN HEAVEN...However He did NOT come to earth, Enter Mary's Womb, Come forth from Mary's Womb, "WITH" His "REPUTATION".

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Do YOU have Scriptures saying Mary IS the mother of "CHRIST"?

Do YOU have Scriptures saying "flesh and blood bodies of men" GO to Heaven?

OR "souls" or "spirits" IN Heaven, Have a mother IN Heaven?

OR "GOD" has a MOTHER or FATHER?

Glory to God,
Taken