The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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Mary was the ONLY person in the history of the world to be impregnated by the Holy Spirit. She was spiritually AND physically indwelt.

Uh ... hold on...

Is it Your belief...
Mary WAS "naturally born" from her Mother's Womb, IN SIN....? Yes or No?

And at the moment Mary became "conceived" in her womb....(pregnant)....
Mary became Indwelt with the Holy Spirit...?
Yes or No?

And IF so, what happened to her Original Natural born SIN?

Glory to God,
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There is only ONE Church.

Correct.
Christ's Church.

Jesus called His Church "My" Church,

The Disciples most common reference to Christ's Church, is "The Church".

Glory to God,
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Ummmm, it was a typo.
If I had a dollar for every one of YOUR typos that I let slide, I'd be a rich man.

Besides, Einstein - there is no Acts 9:45 . . .

Yes, I know it was an error.
Point is...you accuse others of being wrong for your own error!

Glory to God,
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[reformed1689]

The Catholic Church.
Do you have a reading problem??

No, I don't. But you are dodging some questions and keeping with generalities. So what DOCUMENTS guide your doctrine that you all agree on? Be specific. Not sure why you can't just answer this.

 

[reformed1689]

There is only ONE Church.

We agree, the modern day Catholic Church, better described as Roman Catholic Church, is not that church. They have fallen away from Scripture.

 

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No, I don't. But you are dodging some questions and keeping with generalities. So what DOCUMENTS guide your doctrine that you all agree on? Be specific. Not sure why you can't just answer this.

LOL...BOL MO is to deflect instead of answering questions that unravel his beliefs.

He's Catholic...bound to believe his Church position, be it right or wrong, can not be a consideration of a Catholic.

Glory to God,
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[BreadOfLife]

We agree, the modern day Catholic Church, better described as Roman Catholic Church, is not that church. They have fallen away from Scripture.

There is no such church.
There is only the Catholic Church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Uh ... hold on...

Is it Your belief...
Mary WAS "naturally born" from her Mother's Womb, IN SIN....? Yes or No?

And at the moment Mary became "conceived" in her womb....(pregnant)....
Mary became Indwelt with the Holy Spirit...?
Yes or No?

And IF so, what happened to her Original Natural born SIN?

Glory to God,
Taken

You have argued the Mary’s Immaculate Conception over and over and over – so why are you playing dense about it now??

You know exactly what the doctrine teaches – and if you don’t, maybe you really ARE that dense . . .

However - for the sake of others reading here - I will state it yet again.
Mary was born without sin because she was conceived without sin.
As for your last question - she didn't have original sin so there was nowhere for it to go.

Now - it's YOUR turn to answer ME:
Since Mary was Kecharitomene - why are you asking these idiotic questions?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, I know it was an error.
Point is...you accuse others of being wrong for your own error!

Glory to God,
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You are still wrong even when it's Acts 9:4-5 . . .

 

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Besides, Einstein - there is no Acts 9:45 . . .

BOL " the self appointed Catholic teacher" said; Acts 9:45 absolutely shows that Christ identifies His very SELF with His Church. They are inseparable.

Glory to God,
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You are still wrong even when it's Acts 9:4-5 . . .

No Deflecter, YOUR accusation is false.

Glory to God,
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[BreadOfLife]

Correct.
Christ's Church.

Jesus called His Church "My" Church,

The Disciples most common reference to Christ's Church, is "The Church".

Glory to God,
Taken

Yup – and by the end of the FIRST century – that Church was called, “The Catholic Church.”

We see this in the writings of St. Ignatius – 1st century Bishop if Antioch.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I don't. But you are dodging some questions and keeping with generalities. So what DOCUMENTS guide your doctrine that you all agree on? Be specific. Not sure why you can't just answer this.

I guess you’re referring to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

It’s NOT called the Catechism of the “Roman” Catholic Church, Einstein . . .

 

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You have argued the Mary’s Immaculate Conception over and over and over – so why are you playing dense about it now??

The conversation arises again and again BECAUSE you can NEVER answer the Questions.

You reply with some lame vague half-baked comment.

Why are you afraid to answer the questions?
YES or NO, that were asked of you?

Mary was born without sin

Mary was BORN... ?
WHAT do you mean?
Are you clueless, there is a "NATURAL" birth and "BORN-AGAIN" birth?

WHAT preciesly do you mean?
Mary was "NATURALLY" BORN from "her" mothers womb....without sin?
OR
Mary was "BORN AGAIN" when she became PREGNANT (Conceived) ?

because she was conceived without sin.

CONCEIVED, has multiply meanings!
So what are YOU applying to the meaning...

she was conceived

That could mean;
When Mary's Mother's egg was fertilized,
a BABY was Conceived....
and Mary's Mother's was also Conceived (Pregnant) in her Womb.

As for your last question - she didn't have original sin so there was nowhere for it to go.

So YOU ARE SAYING...
Mary was "CONCEIVED" IN HER Mother's womb, WITHOUT "original SIN"...and MARY came forth out of HER Mother's womb, "WITHOUT" SIN?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

I guess you’re referring to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

It’s NOT called the Catechism of the “Roman” Catholic Church, Einstein . . .

Thank you for finally answering the question. What this shows it is the catechism developed and maintained by the church that is under the Bishop of Rome. Hence, the proper designation given by those who are honest, the ROMAN Catholic Church. Which is not Christ's church but a heretical organization who has left orthodoxy.

 

[reformed1689]

There is no such church.
There is only the Catholic Church.

Yeah but not the one under the Bishop of Rome. That is a different church with a false gospel.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The conversation arises again and again BECAUSE you can NEVER answer the Questions.

You reply with some lame vague half-baked comment.

Why are you afraid to answer the questions?
YES or NO, that were asked of you?

Mary was BORN... ?
WHAT do you mean?
Are you clueless, there is a "NATURAL" birth and "BORN-AGAIN" birth?

WHAT preciesly do you mean?
Mary was "NATURALLY" BORN from "her" mothers womb....without sin?
OR
Mary was "BORN AGAIN" when she became PREGNANT (Conceived) ?

CONCEIVED, has multiply meanings!
So what are YOU applying to the meaning...

That could mean;
When Mary's Mother's egg was fertilized,
a BABY was Conceived....
and Mary's Mother's was also Conceived (Pregnant) in her Womb.

Glory to God,
Taken

I guess you really ARE that dense.

Conceived, has "multiply" meanings?? Uhhh, no it doesn't.
When a woman conceives - it means that she becomes pregnant. When a person is conceived, it means that they were created in the womb.
Mary was sinless from HER conception.

Next time you want to argue about a Catholic doctrine - do your homework first . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah but not the one under the Bishop of Rome. That is a different church with a false gospel.

No - it's the one established by Christ with an unbroken line of Apostolic Succession.
NONE of your Protestant sects can make this claim as their origins only go as far back as the 16th century . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thank you for finally answering the question. What this shows it is the catechism developed and maintained by the church that is under the Bishop of Rome. Hence, the proper designation given by those who are honest, the ROMAN Catholic Church. Which is not Christ's church but a heretical organization who has left orthodoxy.

That's as stupid as saying that I am a "Washintonion" because my president lives in Washington DC. I am an American.
Your ignorance is ALMOST as fascinating as your obstinacy.

As I have schooled you several times now - there is no "Roman" Catholic Church.
And any Melkite or Byzantine or Coptic or Maronite Catholic would take issue with you for claiming that they are "Roman" Catholics . . .

 

[reformed1689]

That's as stupid as saying that I am a "Washintonion" because my president lives in Washington DC. I am an American.
Your ignorance is ALMOST as fascinating as your obstinacy.

As I have schooled you several times now - there is no "Roman" Catholic Church.
And any Melkite or Byzantine or Coptic or Maronite Catholic would take issue with you for claiming that they are "Roman" Catholics . . .

I don't care if they take issue. The fact is, they follow the church that is headquartered in Rome. Pure and simple. They align themselves with the bishop of Rome. So they can call themselves what they like, I don't care, but that doesn't change the fact they are RCC as opposed to orthodox.