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Giuliano

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I'm there. However, there are elements of socialism in social security and in all government laws. When I talk about Socialism, I'm talking about disbanding private companies, making the government the arbiter of what companies can operate and how they operate. And it is a matter of taking from the responsible and giving to the irresponsible.

It's a slippery slope towards Socialism on the Democrat side, and in fact, outright admitted Socialism by such as Bernie Sanders. And Biden supports Bernie Sanders! AOC's Green New Deal, if enacted, will mean government removes the petroleum industry in many ways. What happens to the auto industry? It means the government decides what source of power is safe for people.
It sounds to me as if you get your news from a few limited sources. Did you know that Wall Street leans more to Biden than to Trump?

I also think you're naive if you believe Biden is going socialist in his old age. He's trying to pick up votes from the hard left.

As for petroleum? I have a vested interest in that since I own oil stocks. Trump made a mistake encouraging too much new drilling. The demand for oil was already shaky. Too many people borrowed money to start oil companies. They're going bust now. Don't expect the demand for oil to go way up again for years and years -- with or without Biden. With fewer planes and ships using oil, and with Russia and Saudi Arabia pumping out oil because they need the cash, I'll be happy if I see dividends from my oil stocks by late 2021. Get used to it: Solar power and other forms of green energy are going to decrease the demand for oil. It has very little to do with what the government decrees. The question I want answered is are the solar panels going to be manufactured in China or in the US? We cannot sit around talking about oil while China pushes new "green" technology that will be cheaper than oil in the long run.

The whole bent among the Democrats now is in forcing, by law, the acceptance of certain social mores and norms. The Left has taken over the Democrat Party, and they would force, from the Supreme Court on down, the acceptance of aberrant moral practices that Christians, by conscience, cannot accept. And this is on top of forcing certain environmental values on all, even where those matters are not yet determined by science.
You lost me here.
Enough of the critiquing of how people think of Trump. He won the election!
I didn't say he didn't win the 2016 election. The question is what do people think of his job performance? If we want a reality television star who knows how to get attention and make headlines, we got it.
No, conservative Christian values have to do with acceptance of doctrinal orthodoxy and traditional moral values--it isn't dependent on the politic at all. From the Roman Empire to America today, Christianity simply adapts and rejects what is anti-Christian. And the Democrat Party has made a turn towards anti-Christianity.
I stand with the Founding Fathers who did not want an established religion. That is called tolerance; it is applying the Golden Rule. I don't want Catholics and Protestants fighting the way they did in Europe for which brand of "Christianity" would be imposed. I don't want Evangelicals and other Protestants competing for control of the government.
Who said they were? It is a matter of perspective as to whether a voting rights law is really about "discrimination" at all. The Democrats want to sign up anybody, from minorities to illegals. Their thought is that the lowest common denominator is going to want "hand-out" programs.
I think you're exaggerating by saying Democrats are trying to sign up illegals to vote.

On the other hand, we just saw Trump suggesting to people in North Carolina that they vote twice! While I think most Republicans are too sensible to try that, there could be a few who do it because Trump talked about it. He was advocating breaking the law.

For example, requiring a voter ID is not in any way discrimination against someone who can't read. If someone can't read, they still have the right to vote. They just have the right to get an education, as well. And that has not been denied them. On the other hand, forcing children to attend certain public schools may be viewed by conservatives as discrimination against the poor and against minorities.
What?
Not socialism. Discriminating against churches is fascism.
Why should my tax dollars pay for someone to get a religious education?
They don't *rely* on government to be moral, but they pray for it.

Bob Casey may be Catholic, but how "good" he is is questionable. He may be against abortion, but he is for same sex civil unions. That is not Christian, in my book.
I think Casey does a rather good job of separating his personal religious beliefs from his political views.

Is marriage something religion or the government should be regulating? It sounds as if you want the government to impose your religious views on it. What about divorce? Should we go back to the times when divorce was impossible -- because that's what churches wanted?
I have no clue what you're talking about? The government in the US has always had religion-based views. The imposition of the rights of the Christian religion to express itself, publicly and in government, is a protected right in the Bill of Rights.
Who told you this? The Treaty of Tripoli was not controversial when it was signed.

Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

I do not need the government of the US to tell me how to behave as a Christian. The early Founding Fathers obviously didn't want it either.

Treating Blacks as a monolithic voting bloc is taking them for granted by the Democrat Party and is an insult to them. The Democrats have covered over their historic record, which is racist. I'm glad for their change of heart, but how real is the conversion? I think much of it is self-serving and half-hearted. How, for example, is letting in illegal immigrants helping Blacks get jobs?

I use the term "Socialism" because that's what has taken control of the Democrat Party. Bernie calls it Socialism. And I think AOC and other leaders who side with minorities and foreigners have a bent against a free system that seems to favor Whites.

But Socialism is not the answer. Progress is, and it doesn't come by banning Christian prayer, speech, and involvement in government. And it certainly doesn't come by establishing a virtual one-party system like Communism, and forcing it down the throats of all Americans in the name of "Human Rights."

Taking away money from hard-working Americans and giving it to illegals and the irresponsible is immoral. And taking away guns from everybody puts the government completely in charge.

We need to get back to the idea that People rule--not government. That's why I'm a conservative. Those who promise to take complete control in "your interest" will one day place you outside of their favored group. And what will you do then?
I don't see how you anyone can call himself a conservative and support Trump. I quit the Republican Party after he won the nomination. He is wrecking the Republican Party.
 

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It sounds to me as if you get your news from a few limited sources. Did you know that Wall Street leans more to Biden than to Trump?

Yes, I'm aware of the interest the wealthy elite and big business has in a Biden presidency. They believe he will be wrapped around their little finger.

I also think you're naive if you believe Biden is going socialist in his old age. He's trying to pick up votes from the hard left.

That was my point. He's inconsistent and can be manipulated. He puts a wet finger up to the wind. He changes positions like the weather. He will always take the popular view, and not the best view. He will vote the crowd, or the elite group, and not by personal conscience. He sacrifices his religion on the false notion of "liberty for all." That's not conscience--that's capitulation!

As for petroleum? I have a vested interest in that since I own oil stocks. Trump made a mistake encouraging too much new drilling. The demand for oil was already shaky. Too many people borrowed money to start oil companies. They're going bust now. Don't expect the demand for oil to go way up again for years and years -- with or without Biden. With fewer planes and ships using oil, and with Russia and Saudi Arabia pumping out oil because they need the cash, I'll be happy if I see dividends from my oil stocks by late 2021.

I'm not interested in your portfolio! You play the game. You reap the results. Good luck!

I personally enjoy the new-found atmosphere of being energy-independent. I personally have been interested in alternative energy since the 70s! I wanted to build myself an underground house, have a windmill, buy property by a river so I could produce my own hydro-electric power, and even dreamt of cold fusion power! ;)

I believe in all that, and hope for hydrogen-based, unlimited power for all in the future, combined with solar batteries. Unfortunately, you can't give an edge to evil governments. They will utilize their streamlined fascist government to out-produce slower, democracy-based societies, to club all others into submission.

Biden sold out in the Ukraine and in China, allowing his son to hold compromised positions due to his father's place in government. It's a sham! Companies that want to sell out the US to do business in China would surely love Biden in the short-term, yes!

Get used to it: Solar power and other forms of green energy are going to decrease the demand for oil. It has very little to do with what the government decrees. The question I want answered is are the solar panels going to be manufactured in China or in the US? We cannot sit around talking about oil while China pushes new "green" technology that will be cheaper than oil in the long run.

We are in agreement there!

You lost me here.
I didn't say he didn't win the 2016 election. The question is what do people think of his job performance? If we want a reality television star who knows how to get attention and make headlines, we got it.

That's a very poor imitation of an honest critiquing of the President's performance! Should I judge Obama by the size of his ears? Neither should we judge Trump by his style or severity. The very criticism that his "rudeness" causes us to lose credibility in the world is belied by the fact the world has capitulated to Trump's style, making international agreements, coughing up more of a proportionate share of money, etc.

If you want to be an "honest broker" of Trump's performance, quit repeating the same lines from MSNBC and CNN--they all mimic one another, and take cues from their common email sources.

Just judge how well the economy did before the Coronavirus. Unemployment was low, the stock market was high, and formerly disenfranchised minorities were doing much better. We were no longer spending ourselves into oblivion, as Obama and Biden were doing. Happily, under Trump, we were withdrawing from endless wars.

I stand with the Founding Fathers who did not want an established religion. That is called tolerance; it is applying the Golden Rule. I don't want Catholics and Protestants fighting the way they did in Europe for which brand of "Christianity" would be imposed. I don't want Evangelicals and other Protestants competing for control of the government.
I think you're exaggerating by saying Democrats are trying to sign up illegals to vote.

I suppose that's debatable. But I don't think there's any question about the tactic Democrats are using to reach out to Hispanic voters. That's exactly what many of them want to do, whether overtly or not.

But you're comparing competing Christian religions with non-Christian toleration! These are 2 different animals.

Catholics and Protestants properly allow for competing denominations within Christianity. It is about keeping at bay hierarchies with absolute power, using checks and balances. But it never should've been about freedom for religions and beliefs that are inconsanant with the Christian religion.

If you allow religions and ideologies into our country that are incompatible with Christian values, you will be doing the same thing that God strongly disallowed under the Law of Moses. He begged Israel *not* to allow intermarriage with pagans. The kind of "freedom" we have allowed in our country is not Bible-based! You clearly have a different political Bible transcending biblical values!

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Why should my tax dollars pay for someone to get a religious education?
I think Casey does a rather good job of separating his personal religious beliefs from his political views.

Yea, that's the problem. He's sold his religious credentials in the interest of politics. To remove your religious values from your policy is the opposite of "Christian." You're supposed to put Christ even ahead of your own family, let alone politics!

As for what we pay taxes for, there are a lot of programs we all pay for, whether wars overseas, or money sent overseas to help other countries. It is the church's job to evangelize. But where the churches support our state we should not discriminate against them. It is in the interest of the State to educate our people, Christian or otherwise. I'm for Christian education--not anti-Christian education, which is some of what we get in our colleges and universities today.

Is marriage something religion or the government should be regulating? It sounds as if you want the government to impose your religious views on it. What about divorce? Should we go back to the times when divorce was impossible -- because that's what churches wanted?

It sounds like you serve Caesar in place of God? You get your marital values from the Bill of Rights, and not the Ten Commandments? You put the Constitution ahead of the Bible? What kind of Christian sacrifices his Bible for what the Media wants?

Who told you this? The Treaty of Tripoli was not controversial when it was signed.

I do not need the government of the US to tell me how to behave as a Christian. The early Founding Fathers obviously didn't want it either.

Sometime in the late 70s I began to realize how seriously flawed American philosophy is and how influenced it was by Enlightenment philosophy. Our ideals indeed were not Christian-based entirely, and hoped to produce a purely secular state, separate from Christianity. It didn't deny America was largely Christian in religion, but it did hope to establish a system independent of religion so as to be the arbiter between religious denominations and other religious groups. The hope was to prevent a dictatorial established religion, in the same way it hoped to stop a dictatorial political establishment, or a single political party.

I agree that Big Government is bad, and that we should have checks and balances to prevent the buildup of too strong of a centralized power in government. But I don't agree in a purely secularized state, distancing itself from the Christian religion.

I believe the Enlightenment was a form of Anti-Christian apostasy away from Christianity. I think American Philosophy is therefore idolatrous in its outlook. That's what happens when you worship your government, and not God, when you follow people, and not divine law.

What we have today in the Democratic Party is a shift towards One Party. Even though two parties are accepted, the candidates from both have to be sanctioned by one elite group, including wealthy people and big business. They will tell you what to believe, through the Media. They will tell you what is allowed, and what morals, or religion, to have or not have.

Go ahead and follow them. The wide road takes you to your certain destruction. Jesus warned you.

I don't see how you anyone can call himself a conservative and support Trump. I quit the Republican Party after he won the nomination. He is wrecking the Republican Party.

That is the propaganda, because the people were actually allowed to vote and have their vote counted, against the interests of the elite in our society. They serve themselves. The people should not listen to their spokesmen, the Media.
 
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If you want to be an "honest broker" of Trump's performance, quit repeating the same lines from MSNBC and CNN--they all mimic one another, and take cues from their common email sources.
All the mainstream media HATE Trump and publish lies about him daily (going on 4 years). The latest was the garbage from the Atlantic Monthly, which is owned by a major Biden supporter. So anyone quoting these liars prefers lies to the truth. And the connection to China should not be ignored either.
Laurene Powell Jobs’s Ties to China May Be Behind Insidious Trump Hit Piece In The Atlantic
Laurene Powell Jobs's Ties to China May Be Behind Insidious Trump Hit Piece In The Atlantic

Rick Grenell called them out and told them to their faces that no one believes them anymore.
Richard Grenell Unloads on Corrupt MSM: 'People Aren't Listening to You Anymore'
Richard Grenell Unloads on Corrupt MSM: 'People Aren't Listening to You Anymore'
 
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All the mainstream media HATE Trump and publish lies about him daily (going on 4 years). The latest was the garbage from the Atlantic Monthly, which is owned by a major Biden supporter. So anyone quoting these liars prefers lies to the truth.

Rick Grenell called them out and told them to their faces that no one believes them anymore.
Richard Grenell Unloads on Corrupt MSM: 'People Aren't Listening to You Anymore'
Richard Grenell Unloads on Corrupt MSM: 'People Aren't Listening to You Anymore'
So Grenell opines. I'd say people aren't listening that much to Trump anymore, knowing he's full of hot air.

But do you remember Trump, who dodged the draft by claiming to have bone spurs, said John McCain was not a war hero? I remember that.


Turns out too that a reporter from Fox verified parts of that story in the Atlantic. Trump demanded she be fired.

Jennifer Griffin: Trump calls on Fox News to fire reporter who confirmed some parts of Atlantic story - CNN

For years, Fox News has worked to undermine and discredit the work of other news organizations that have reported damning details about President Trump and his administration. But on Friday, something unusual happened: The network turned a skeptical eye toward reporting from its own correspondent.

After spending much of the day bashing The Atlantic for Jeffrey Goldberg's jarring report which said Trump had disparaged military members who died in service to the country, Fox News itself confirmed key aspects of it. In a lengthy Twitter thread, correspondent Jennifer Griffin said she had confirmed Trump disparaged veterans; didn't want to honor the dead at the Aisne-Marne Cemetery; and did not want to lower flags after the death of John McCain.

Trump's support from members of the military was already in trouble. A poll done by militarytimes.com before the two conventions showed they preferred Biden -- no matter what Trump said about it. Expect to his popularity with the military to go even lower. Did Trump call the vets who died "suckers" and "losers"? I don't know since I wasn't there; but when I match it up with what he said about McCain, I can see him making that kind of insulting remark, and I think many vets will think that too.

Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden

The results, collected before the political conventions earlier this month, appear to undercut claims from the president that his support among military members is strong thanks to big defense budget increases in recent years and promised moves to draw down troops from overseas conflict zones.

But the Military Times Polls, surveying active-duty troops in partnership with the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University, have seen a steady drop in troops’ opinion of the commander in chief since his election four years ago.

In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.

Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.

The unfavorable number matches what an earlier Military Times Poll found in late 2019, while the favorable total slipped from just under 42 percent last year. In a poll conducted at the start of Trump’s presidency, 46 percent of troops had a favorable view of him, versus 37 percent who had an unfavorable opinion.
 

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So Grenell opines. I'd say people aren't listening that much to Trump anymore, knowing he's full of hot air.

But do you remember Trump, who dodged the draft by claiming to have bone spurs, said John McCain was not a war hero? I remember that.


Turns out too that a reporter from Fox verified parts of that story in the Atlantic. Trump demanded she be fired.

Jennifer Griffin: Trump calls on Fox News to fire reporter who confirmed some parts of Atlantic story - CNN

For years, Fox News has worked to undermine and discredit the work of other news organizations that have reported damning details about President Trump and his administration. But on Friday, something unusual happened: The network turned a skeptical eye toward reporting from its own correspondent.

After spending much of the day bashing The Atlantic for Jeffrey Goldberg's jarring report which said Trump had disparaged military members who died in service to the country, Fox News itself confirmed key aspects of it. In a lengthy Twitter thread, correspondent Jennifer Griffin said she had confirmed Trump disparaged veterans; didn't want to honor the dead at the Aisne-Marne Cemetery; and did not want to lower flags after the death of John McCain.

Trump's support from members of the military was already in trouble. A poll done by militarytimes.com before the two conventions showed they preferred Biden -- no matter what Trump said about it. Expect to his popularity with the military to go even lower. Did Trump call the vets who died "suckers" and "losers"? I don't know since I wasn't there; but when I match it up with what he said about McCain, I can see him making that kind of insulting remark, and I think many vets will think that too.

Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden

The results, collected before the political conventions earlier this month, appear to undercut claims from the president that his support among military members is strong thanks to big defense budget increases in recent years and promised moves to draw down troops from overseas conflict zones.

But the Military Times Polls, surveying active-duty troops in partnership with the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University, have seen a steady drop in troops’ opinion of the commander in chief since his election four years ago.

In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.

Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.

The unfavorable number matches what an earlier Military Times Poll found in late 2019, while the favorable total slipped from just under 42 percent last year. In a poll conducted at the start of Trump’s presidency, 46 percent of troops had a favorable view of him, versus 37 percent who had an unfavorable opinion.
Not all who are in the military are classed as war hero's in fact.

If your division get's captured or surrenders, they are not war hero's, but within some could be classed as such, but not all are regarded as such.
But nowadays with Political Correctness being idolised all are classed as hero's ! so as not to offend anyone, but fact is that not all won a Iron Cross ect did they ? so if one did get such in regards to such then it's likely no one could not regard such a one as not being a true hero. not to mention some who got such medals truly were not worthy of such in reality and some who did not get such were worthy.

The Satanist are in fact trying to mislead the people as to what Trump is truly saying all the time ! it's an art form that was typical of the devious Socialist tactics. they are at war with Trump and will use any means to try and justify their ends, it's the same type of tactics just like the Nazis and Communist used, trying to create trouble and then spin a load of nonsense to dupe the people to follow them.

What Trump was saying as in regards to such was in fact the reality of truth, but Socialist can not handle the truth, they start that mixing in all as one BS, don't to forget that all are equal in their eyes remember, so they are coming from a different angle on the subject at hand, one has to remember such is the case and that's why they have a cry baby movement as such behind them, full of simple minded dupes on the band wagon claiming Trumps is this or that, when they are in fact delusional, when nothing they claim is true at all. lie after lie is claimed after Trump full on and the malice is way off the scale.

The Socialist claim Trump offends them, they claim he can't say this or that because it offends them, not to mention it's the same Socialist that turn around claiming that no one has the right to offend them, it's forbidden ! reality and the truth are forbidden because they can not handle the truth. so if one comes up and says, you are this or that, they will turn around and demand that you have no right to say such, because they are offended. they live in a Political Correct bubble it's in fact their god and they demand all to follow their idols.
 

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Not all who are in the military are classed as war hero's in fact.

If your division get's captured or surrenders, they are not war hero's, but within some could be classed as such, but not all are regarded as such.
You don't need to get a medal for being a war hero to be offended by Trump's remarks about McCain. I had a friend who recently died. He was a Vietnam vet and was very offended by Trump's remarks. While he didn't get a medal himself, he did know what it meant to serve our country. He had served alongside many brave souls.

What does Trump know about being brave? He cancelled his trip to the cemetery in France because it rained.

Trump visit to US cemetery in France canceled due to rain

President Donald Trump canceled a planned visit to a cemetery for Americans killed in World War I, the White House said, citing bad weather that grounded his helicopter.

Trump had been scheduled to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence Saturday at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial, located adjacent to Belleau Wood and about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northeast of Paris.

Instead, Trump spent much of the day following a meeting and lunch with French President Emmanuel Macron at the U.S. ambassador’s residence, where he was staying during events to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.

Rain? Rain stopped his visit? Those men gave their lives, and Trump didn't want to get wet.
 

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Yes, I'm aware of the interest the wealthy elite and big business has in a Biden presidency. They believe he will be wrapped around their little finger.
So what are you saying? That capitalists are being misled by Biden? Is everyone being misled except Trump devotees?
That was my point. He's inconsistent and can be manipulated. He puts a wet finger up to the wind. He changes positions like the weather. He will always take the popular view, and not the best view. He will vote the crowd, or the elite group, and not by personal conscience. He sacrifices his religion on the false notion of "liberty for all." That's not conscience--that's capitulation!
Don't exaggerate. It's boring me. This is typical behavior in elections. Try being realistic.

The first thing to remember in politics is that if you want to accomplish any of your goals, you need to get elected. You can't be so stubborn about sticking with your own ideas that you can't get elected. The second thing is to remember you could be wrong. Maybe other people have a point.
I'm not interested in your portfolio! You play the game. You reap the results. Good luck!
I wasn't assuming you were interested in my portfolio. My statement was to let you know I try to be realistic. If other people are wrong, it cost them little or nothing. They can "afford" as many wrong ideas as they can invent. I can't afford to be prejudiced or partial.
I personally enjoy the new-found atmosphere of being energy-independent. I personally have been interested in alternative energy since the 70s! I wanted to build myself an underground house, have a windmill, buy property by a river so I could produce my own hydro-electric power, and even dreamt of cold fusion power! ;)

I believe in all that, and hope for hydrogen-based, unlimited power for all in the future, combined with solar batteries. Unfortunately, you can't give an edge to evil governments. They will utilize their streamlined fascist government to out-produce slower, democracy-based societies, to club all others into submission.
I am baffled by Trump's approach to energy. He followed the policy used by dictatorial regimes like Venezuela, Iran, Russia, Zimbabwe. Some democratic countries fall into the same trap -- countries like Australia. It's tempting to create jobs mining natural resources. The money flows. The problem with that is that spending tends to increase too. The state of Pennsylvania increased its spending after revenue from new natural gas fields started flowing in. A more crippling problem occurs when demand for that resource dries up: Unemployment goes up and revenues go down. That's how Venezuela and Iran became failed states.

What about oil fields in Texas and Arkansas? The bust and boom cycle is seen there. Texas' overdependence on oil can be seen. Its unemployment rate is going down now, but it remains at 8% -- double what it was before the epidemic crashed the oil market. Revenues to the state are down while expenditures like unemployment benefits are up. The Texas economy is in a shambles. Trump is partly to blame, the governor of Texas is too, for failing to set aside part of the revenues from oil when times were good for developing more jobs in other fields -- like green energy. Trump and Abbott went after the easy fix or the easy answer -- and the economy was booming . . . while it lasted.
Biden sold out in the Ukraine and in China, allowing his son to hold compromised positions due to his father's place in government. It's a sham! Companies that want to sell out the US to do business in China would surely love Biden in the short-term, yes!
I don't think that's an impartial view. Biden didn't sell out anything. If he had, surely Rudy Giuliani would have found something already. He's been digging and digging in Ukraine, looking for dirt on Biden -- so far he's found nothing. Biden's mistake was less egregious --- he allowed his son to take high paying jobs in other countries for which he really wasn't qualified -- and that gave the appearance of wrong-doing. Biden should have known better if you ask me. True, his son was an adult so he couldn't order him around; but Biden still could have made it clearer to people that their companies would not reap any benefits from the Obama administration by hiring his son. He could have threatened his son too -- and it would have worked since after the China connection made the news, Biden said his son was not going to work for foreign countries.

Trump could have done better too. His daughter's company has manufacturing done in China. I think the practice stopped, but MAGA hats were also being made in China for a while. Considering where Trump built hotels also raises questions. How impartial can he be when it comes to dealing with Turkey for example? Would he risk having the Turkish government confiscate his property there?

Of course, I can't understand his fascination with building hotels around the world if he really is that interested in investing in America. It also exposes him to future retaliation. Turkey may not confiscate his property when he's in office; but what happens later? I believe Panama is trying to stay nonpolitical in the lawsuit involving what used to be the Trump hotel there. That could easily change later -- and the allegations swirling about who bought units in it could get sorted out in court. Members of drug cartels were laundering money to buy units in it? I believe Ivanka Trump may have been involved in that.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see more lawsuits over the Vancouver Trump Hotel which just went bankrupt. So far as I know, Trump didn't own it -- just collected royalties from their using his name. I have not heard if the FBI got around to interviewing anyone in Canada -- but that would have involved Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, not Trump himself.
That's a very poor imitation of an honest critiquing of the President's performance! Should I judge Obama by the size of his ears? Neither should we judge Trump by his style or severity. The very criticism that his "rudeness" causes us to lose credibility in the world is belied by the fact the world has capitulated to Trump's style, making international agreements, coughing up more of a proportionate share of money, etc.
Ears is not a choice. Trump's style is a choice. You are mistaken if you think his severe style has made the world capitulate to him. It has made him enemies. Countries that used to cooperate with us are leery of Trump's capricious style. His breaking of the agreement with Iran seemed based more on his hatred of anything Obama did than on rationality. It offended other countries that agreed to it. They are now looking into ways to circumvent the sanctions Trump imposed. The US became a laughingstock at the UN when it proposed holding Iran to its end of the agreement. How could the US object to Iran not keeping the terms of the agreement after the US said it wasn't going to?

Trump knows how to make the news. What he doesn't seem to understand is how much power he could have if used intelligently. He goes on Twitter, and the "mainstream media" turn that into the day's news, often overlooking much more important events. Ah, but covering Twitter is cheaper journalism, that's for sure, than more serious investigations which could require time, travel and money.
 

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If you want to be an "honest broker" of Trump's performance, quit repeating the same lines from MSNBC and CNN--they all mimic one another, and take cues from their common email sources.
Most news sources cover what any President says or does. Are you saying they should ignore Trump?

Just judge how well the economy did before the Coronavirus. Unemployment was low, the stock market was high, and formerly disenfranchised minorities were doing much better. We were no longer spending ourselves into oblivion, as Obama and Biden were doing. Happily, under Trump, we were withdrawing from endless wars.
This requires some historical background. Obama inherited an economy in ruins. His plan was set out -- and he stuck to it. There would be massive spending to restart the economy. That would mean a big deficit. The deficits would decline over time. That's what happened too.

Trump inherited that recovering economy. What he did was reckless. The economy did not need any big fixes. He chose reduce taxes and increase spending. I just checked the national deficit figures last week. They started rising when Trump became President. Most of the reduction in taxes went to the wealthy and to corporations. The average worker got a reduction -- enough to make him happy -- but make no mistake about it, most of the reduction in taxes were to the wealthy and to corporations. What's wrong with that?

If you want an economy that is growing in a stable manner, you want more money not in the hands of the rich who already have more money than they know how to spend. You want more money in the hands of ordinary folks. The more money they have to spend, the more new businesses can be created -- and the more money they will spend at stores that already exist. More people can afford to buy houses too, leading to more construction jobs. That's now it went with the Trump administration. The money went to the rich. Where could they put it? Not in bank accounts to draw interest, that's for sure. The interest rates on money in bank accounts is ridiculously low. Why would anyone save money? Why keep interest rates so low -- ah, interest on the national debt may be a good reason. If the national government had to pay a reasonable interest rate on its debt, it would be seen as a disaster -- maybe it would be a disaster.

So no one was saving money. Banks were not getting money deposited -- when they did lend to people, again it was at a low interest rate, hardly worth their while to make the loans when you consider that some borrowers might default. It wasn't a good environment to start new companies.

The rich got savings in their taxes, and a lot of that went back into the stock market. Bonds were also relatively worthless with interest rates being so low. Does that help explain the rise in the stock market? Stock prices were inflated -- still are if you ask me. The P/E ratio (price to earnings ratio) of many stocks was ridiculously high.

We saw Republicans in the first two years of President Trump's term in control of both houses of Congress. I would have expected fiscal restraint. If they were going to reduce taxes, surely, surely, they could have found ways to reduce spending or at the very least keep spending at its previous levels. But no, they spent and spent. I could not believe the spending spree Republicans went on; and with all that spending, they still refused to give Trump the money to build the wall he wanted on the Mexican border. Deficits soared; and the accumulated national debt reached a record high before the coronavirus hit.

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It kept rising under Obama -- but as yearly deficits fell, it was rising at a slower rate. The plan was to keep reducing the deficits until the government started operating on a surplus. Here's a chart of the deficits. You can see how they were getting smaller under Obama, and how they started increasing again under Trump.

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We are now in even worse shape with the massive spending on coronavirus crisis. The debt to GDP ration this year is projected to be at 98% and over 100% next year. The government debt is more than its annual income. Things are already bad, and an increase in the interest rate could be truly devastating. Trump's economic "miracle" was built on wild spending that increased the national debt before coronavirus hit. It reminds me of how young people use their credit cards, racking up debt without thinking of how they can repay it.
I suppose that's debatable. But I don't think there's any question about the tactic Democrats are using to reach out to Hispanic voters. That's exactly what many of them want to do, whether overtly or not.
I think maybe Trump's comments have something to do with turning off Hispanic voters. Most Hispanics lean towards being conservative unless pushed away -- that's because so many are Catholics. Trump doesn't seem to know how to appeal to people, preferring to use scare tactics. Thus he's running ads in Florida about "socialism" on the theory that citizens with a Cuban background will be afraid of Biden if they think he's a socialist.
 

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But you're comparing competing Christian religions with non-Christian toleration! These are 2 different animals.
Oh? Applying the Golden Rule means granting only your fellow Christians religious freedom? I can see why non-Christians become annoyed at times. I can see why Muslim countries would forbid Christians religious freedom: "Well, you don't grant us freedom in the US, why should we grant you freedom here?"

Catholics and Protestants properly allow for competing denominations within Christianity. It is about keeping at bay hierarchies with absolute power, using checks and balances. But it never should've been about freedom for religions and beliefs that are inconsanant with the Christian religion.
Don't be naive. Religion has never been tolerant when given political power.

If you allow religions and ideologies into our country that are incompatible with Christian values, you will be doing the same thing that God strongly disallowed under the Law of Moses. He begged Israel *not* to allow intermarriage with pagans. The kind of "freedom" we have allowed in our country is not Bible-based! You clearly have a different political Bible transcending biblical values!
I think you need to study the Old Testament more.
Yea, that's the problem. He's sold his religious credentials in the interest of politics. To remove your religious values from your policy is the opposite of "Christian." You're supposed to put Christ even ahead of your own family, let alone politics!
Oh? I begin to wonder where you pick up your beliefs.

Matthew 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

You cannot say you love God if you violate the rights of others. God gave us all free will. We don't have the right to impose our chosen beliefs on other people.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

If we say we love God, we have to show it in how we live, how we treat others.

As for what we pay taxes for, there are a lot of programs we all pay for, whether wars overseas, or money sent overseas to help other countries. It is the church's job to evangelize. But where the churches support our state we should not discriminate against them. It is in the interest of the State to educate our people, Christian or otherwise. I'm for Christian education--not anti-Christian education, which is some of what we get in our colleges and universities today.
You start to sound like a socialist to me. You do not want our churches and religious schools to be independent of the government. You want them to come groveling to the government for handouts.
It sounds like you serve Caesar in place of God? You get your marital values from the Bill of Rights, and not the Ten Commandments? You put the Constitution ahead of the Bible? What kind of Christian sacrifices his Bible for what the Media wants?
I know how to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. As for what the "media" wants -- who knows, who cares? I don't even know why you said such a thing.

Personally, I don't think the government should ever have been in the business of legislating what marriage is. Nor do I think a church can determine it. It's a matter for God to decide if two people are married. "What God has joined together. . . ." So who in the government can decide? Churches originally also did not hold weddings.

If the state is going to regulate it however, then religion doesn't enter the picture. If the state is going to give tax breaks and government benefits based on marriage, then I don't see how we can discriminate using religious ideas. That's what it's about too. Marriage among heterosexuals is mostly a joke now with the divorce rate being high. You can get divorced with no penalty. That's a joke. If marriage is a contract, then obviously there should be a penalty for breaking the contract -- but there isn't. I can think of no other form of contract you can break without penalty.


I agree that Big Government is bad, and that we should have checks and balances to prevent the buildup of too strong of a centralized power in government. But I don't agree in a purely secularized state, distancing itself from the Christian religion.

I believe the Enlightenment was a form of Anti-Christian apostasy away from Christianity. I think American Philosophy is therefore idolatrous in its outlook. That's what happens when you worship your government, and not God, when you follow people, and not divine law.

What we have today in the Democratic Party is a shift towards One Party. Even though two parties are accepted, the candidates from both have to be sanctioned by one elite group, including wealthy people and big business. They will tell you what to believe, through the Media. They will tell you what is allowed, and what morals, or religion, to have or not have.

Go ahead and follow them. The wide road takes you to your certain destruction. Jesus warned you.
No government can make people moral. Our churches have failed. Now they want the government to do what they have failed to do. Our Founding Fathers didn't have a problem being Christians without trying to impose their beliefs on others. They knew how to apply the Golden Rule.

That is the propaganda, because the people were actually allowed to vote and have their vote counted, against the interests of the elite in our society. They serve themselves. The people should not listen to their spokesmen, the Media.
This is getting worse since the Republican controlled Supreme Court ruled that corporations are "persons" entitled to spend as much money on elections as they want. Republicans brought that case to the court too -- wanting corporations to be able to spend unlimited amounts. They said corporations have free speech rights. That means they can influence elections. The same Supreme Court ruled that unborn babies are not "persons." Go figure.

I say if someone can't vote in an election, he shouldn't be allowed to making campaign contributions.
 

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So what are you saying? That capitalists are being misled by Biden? Is everyone being misled except Trump devotees?

I'm saying that both Dems and Republicans are in the pay and sold out to big business and to overseas business and engagements militarily. Our workers are being sold out to China and to other countries. I'm a big fan of Steve Hilton's "The Next Revolution." He says it so eloquently. Trump is populist, and is pursuing the interests of the people, of workers, as opposed to being in the pay of Big Business.

I am baffled by Trump's approach to energy. ...It's tempting to create jobs mining natural resources.

It's smart, in my book, to develop the natural resources you have, while exploring other alternative sources of energy and minerals. To become beholden to Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich countries doesn't make sense. It slowly erodes our values, as we seek to remain "friendly" to their own political interests, which is not good for the West, nor for the US.

What about oil fields in Texas and Arkansas? ...

As interesting as this subject is, I don't have enough facts and figures to comment. Sorry. Overall, it looks like a management problem, rather than a natural resource problem.

I don't think that's an impartial view. Biden didn't sell out anything. If he had, surely Rudy Giuliani would have found something already. He's been digging and digging in Ukraine, looking for dirt on Biden -- so far he's found nothing.

That isn't what Giuliani said! But the relevant point here is, the Media controls the narrative, and once the people have bought into the narrative, they are disinterested in political matters that affect elections. They don't want the election to be "hi-jacked." In reality, I believe it is indeed being hi-jacked, but not by the Republicans--certainly not by Giuliani.

Recently, on Mark Levin's show, he spoke with AG Barr, who admitted that the Media has made the matter more about voting than criminal prosecutions of the Russian Scam. It requires a high bar to get criminal activitiy investigated and prosecuted, let alone punished.

Biden's mistake was less egregious --- he allowed his son to take high paying jobs in other countries for which he really wasn't qualified -- and that gave the appearance of wrong-doing. Biden should have known better if you ask me.

Honest statement! If the Media had taken Trump's side, this would've been more thoroughly investigated.

Trump's style is a choice. You are mistaken if you think his severe style has made the world capitulate to him. It has made him enemies.

Going after Trump's "business" and IRS info is a ruse to regularly attack his "conflicts of interest," to stir trouble up for him politically. What Biden did in Ukraine is much more damaging to him than Trump's history in business!

Trump's style of tough negotiating, while remaining friendly, has indeed served him well. The trade agreements were good for the US. Painting Trump as mean-spirited in his style of competing is, once again, a ruse to defeat his independent political stand in a world of elitists.

His breaking of the agreement with Iran seemed based more on his hatred of anything Obama did than on rationality.

No, Trump was siding with the Jewish State in the interest of preserving our partnership with Israel in the Middle East. The Iran "deal" was a horrible deal! Iran had an agreement that ensured they could be a nuclear power within a decade. All this while Iran was explicitly declaring they would destroy Israel!
 
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Another voice of hope, LoL. Why is it always the Cessationists who believe nothing good can ever happen in this world? :)

Greetings, Prism, and hope you are well.
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Not a cessations, but I do believe 'all men were created equal' before the Fall (in Adam): but after the Fall, some of us in the human race are born with more defects than others. Race has nothing to do with the sin issue.
 

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You don't need to get a medal for being a war hero to be offended by Trump's remarks about McCain. I had a friend who recently died. He was a Vietnam vet and was very offended by Trump's remarks. While he didn't get a medal himself, he did know what it meant to serve our country. He had served alongside many brave souls.

What does Trump know about being brave? He cancelled his trip to the cemetery in France because it rained.

Trump visit to US cemetery in France canceled due to rain

President Donald Trump canceled a planned visit to a cemetery for Americans killed in World War I, the White House said, citing bad weather that grounded his helicopter.

Trump had been scheduled to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence Saturday at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial, located adjacent to Belleau Wood and about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northeast of Paris.

Instead, Trump spent much of the day following a meeting and lunch with French President Emmanuel Macron at the U.S. ambassador’s residence, where he was staying during events to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.

Rain? Rain stopped his visit? Those men gave their lives, and Trump didn't want to get wet.
If one was a Vietnam vet they have been hammered that much over the years, that I don't think they could be bothered at what Trump said at all, such would be water off a ducks back.
It's not about getting a medal, trump was pointing such as McCain himself and others as to his own regards in fact, he named him ! it's not about others at all, but all the sooks want to make it all about others. did Trump say all of such people were ? no ! what the Satanist try to do is make mountains out of mole hills.
The devil is in the detail, Trump says something and all the morons try and bastardise what he was truly saying, the media run around looking for a way to put a devilish spin on his words in a hope to delude all. just as we seen in the Bible, they played the same games with Jesus in trying to undermine him in fact.

Trump is the President of the USA, his chopper was grounded due to the weather, he never said he did not want to go at all, I think there is more to it than as if it was you or I going, because of the security people and all that involves. and plain B took over.
 

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If one was a Vietnam vet they have been hammered that much over the years, that I don't think they could be bothered at what Trump said at all, such would be water off a ducks back.
You have a strange idea about what it's like to be tough. You miss the whole point of what it means to care about your country enough to be willing to fight for it, even risking dying. My friend was annoyed by Trump's lack of compassion and patriotism. My friend had been in Vietnam, knew people who had died in that war -- and he cared.

It's not about getting a medal, trump was pointing such as McCain himself and others as to his own regards in fact, he named him ! it's not about others at all, but all the sooks want to make it all about others. did Trump say all of such people were ? no ! what the Satanist try to do is make mountains out of mole hills.
The devil is in the detail, Trump says something and all the morons try and bastardise what he was truly saying, the media run around looking for a way to put a devilish spin on his words in a hope to delude all. just as we seen in the Bible, they played the same games with Jesus in trying to undermine him in fact.

Trump is the President of the USA, his chopper was grounded due to the weather, he never said he did not want to go at all, I think there is more to it than as if it was you or I going, because of the security people and all that involves. and plain B took over.
It may work the other way too. Maybe it's Trump supporters being the "morons" trying to put a devilish spin on things to try to save Trump's hide. Ha, he sits comfortably in the Oval Office while encouraging his supporters to go protest against Antifa and BLM. If they get beat up and arrested, oh well. That's what "suckers" are for, isn't it? One has been killed too -- too bad, but he was just another sucker. Trump may praise him in public, but he's laughing up his sleeve at how stupid his supporters can be.

It could cost him the election. Trump said this week that the officers in the Pentagon don't "love" him. Oh, poor baby! The military brass don't love him. Of course they don't. They can see what he is. They don't even respect him personally. They respect the office of President, but they despise him as a person. He's a coward who dodged the draft. He finds excuses not to visit a cemetery because he doesn't want to get wet. Then Trump went on to say the enlisted men loved him. Boy, is he wrong! While it's true that enlisted men still view him more favorably than officers do, his support among the enlisted men has been eroding steadily. They loved him in 2016 -- and that's a fact. The military votes helped get Trump elected in several key swing states. A poll done in 2016 had the military supporting Trump over Clinton by a two to one margin. Now there's been a poll out that was done before the conventions -- before this story broke. Trump was already way done in that poll.

From Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden

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So Trump is living in fantasy land if he thinks the enlisted men still love him. He got a little over a third of their support.
 

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The St. Louis man who went viral last summer after he and his wife stood an armed vigil on their front lawn as Black Lives Matter protesters marched through their gated community is praising the Kentucky diner seen holding a pistol as shouting demonstrators surrounded him outside a restaurant Saturday.

St. Louis man in viral standoff with BLM protesters praises armed Louisville diner: ‘That guy’s a champion’


Doesn't look like it's ended quite yet, does it, LoL.

My interpretation in the OP was that they'd have to let this thing completely bleed out first, and things came to an abrupt halt back in September, likely due to the DNC's change of tactics from bullying to trying to steal the election through voter fraud (which worked, btw).

Anyway, until racial tensions and violence play out in this country, no. Racism will continue to reign supreme, LoL. (I know it's not a laughing matter, but I'm just in too good a mood these days to let it bring me down). :)
 
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Racism will continue to reign supreme,
Racism is reigning supreme only because it has become a major tool for the manipulation of the public in the hands of the Demoncrats. If the key villains were removed from office and locked up, racism would come to an abrupt end. Biden has unleashed racism as a destructive White House policy, and he is now blatantly discriminating against whites with impunity. This in itself should have resulted in his immediate impeachment (or removal by a military coup).
 
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It is Satan that causes divisions. It is men who judge the appearance of men that causes racism. It will never end until Satan is taken out of the way. Do as God does look at the persons heart not the person.