Obviously we disagree about the entity of who is pointing fingers but here is a challenge for you, the best way to expose a phony is with the real McCoy.
Some seem to use scripture to wound and condemn others rather than to set free and heal.
The error of the Pharisee
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Some seem to use scripture to wound and condemn others rather than to set free and heal.
Robbie
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It's pathetic when people reject and have no faith in the simplicity of Christ's promises because it disagrees with their man made religion.
I mean you have people who think they're so smart about God and the scriptures mocking us who have faith that God won't cast us out who have come to His Son... when we're just believing Jesus Himself...
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
I can't tell you how many times I've been hassled by the religious for just simply believing Jesus... but I guess the religious have always hassled Jesus... and as He said... if they hassled Him... they're going to hassle you for believing Him...
I mean you have people who think they're so smart about God and the scriptures mocking us who have faith that God won't cast us out who have come to His Son... when we're just believing Jesus Himself...
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
I can't tell you how many times I've been hassled by the religious for just simply believing Jesus... but I guess the religious have always hassled Jesus... and as He said... if they hassled Him... they're going to hassle you for believing Him...
Is it the simplicity of Christ's promises or the simplicity of the way of Christ? They who abide in Christ walk just as Jesus did! Simple enough!
Robbie
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If living up to Christ was simple He wouldn't have had to die for us on the cross... because being perfect would be simple.
And are you serious? Do you really think you are the likeness of Christ? Do you really think you live up to who He is?
The simplicity of Christ is that He died for humanity because no one in humanity has ever been righteous other than Him... He's the only One who has ever fulfilled the law... and anyone who can accept that about themselves and will humble themselves in the sight of God and will receive the free gift of salvation... He becomes their righteousness when they are covered in His blood.
It's only pride that says I will be saved by being like the most high... I will become righteousness through self... it's exactly what satan said... I will be like the most High... and if you think you're like the most High you've deceived yourself... there's only One who is the exact likeness of God... and that is Christ.
And if you think you are the exact likeness of Christ... you're saying you are like God.
And are you serious? Do you really think you are the likeness of Christ? Do you really think you live up to who He is?
The simplicity of Christ is that He died for humanity because no one in humanity has ever been righteous other than Him... He's the only One who has ever fulfilled the law... and anyone who can accept that about themselves and will humble themselves in the sight of God and will receive the free gift of salvation... He becomes their righteousness when they are covered in His blood.
It's only pride that says I will be saved by being like the most high... I will become righteousness through self... it's exactly what satan said... I will be like the most High... and if you think you're like the most High you've deceived yourself... there's only One who is the exact likeness of God... and that is Christ.
And if you think you are the exact likeness of Christ... you're saying you are like God.
Have no faith in those promises?
Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Either you never read this, or you don't believe it! Ought HIMSELF to walk as he walked!
Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Either you never read this, or you don't believe it! Ought HIMSELF to walk as he walked!
Robbie
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What do you mean? I believe in trying to walk like Christ... what do you think walking like Christ is? Fronting and lying to yourself that you're as good as God? haha
See... this is what happens when people go to church and a pastor talks about a sentence for an hour and all of a sudden the people can't even think about the simplicity of what the sentence means. So the Pastor says we need to walk like Christ and then says that means we can actually live up to His righteousness and adds all these other man made laws to that and all of a sudden it becomes about us instead of Him... haha... and then people read that sentence and they don't even hear Christ anymore... they just hear all the carnal self reliance based garbage their pastor has leavened them with.
To walk like Christ is to walk in the truth of yourself... that's why Paul acknowledged what a wretched man that He is... to walk like Christ is to walk in complete reliance of God... and for us that means walking in complete reliance of the blood of His Son for our salvation. Because the same way Christ walked in the truth of Who He is being the only begotten Son of the Father... the same we are to walk like Him in the truth of who we are which is we are the wicked that He poured His mercy out on when He sent His Son to pay the price for our sins so that we could stand as righteous before Him according to His righteousness.
There are many other ways we're to walk like Christ... but thinking you're as good as God or that you're going to save yourself by your works is far from being one of them.
So dude... you don't even know what you're talking about... you're just a repeater of rotten manna that's corrupted with the maggots of mans carnal wisdom...
See... this is what happens when people go to church and a pastor talks about a sentence for an hour and all of a sudden the people can't even think about the simplicity of what the sentence means. So the Pastor says we need to walk like Christ and then says that means we can actually live up to His righteousness and adds all these other man made laws to that and all of a sudden it becomes about us instead of Him... haha... and then people read that sentence and they don't even hear Christ anymore... they just hear all the carnal self reliance based garbage their pastor has leavened them with.
To walk like Christ is to walk in the truth of yourself... that's why Paul acknowledged what a wretched man that He is... to walk like Christ is to walk in complete reliance of God... and for us that means walking in complete reliance of the blood of His Son for our salvation. Because the same way Christ walked in the truth of Who He is being the only begotten Son of the Father... the same we are to walk like Him in the truth of who we are which is we are the wicked that He poured His mercy out on when He sent His Son to pay the price for our sins so that we could stand as righteous before Him according to His righteousness.
There are many other ways we're to walk like Christ... but thinking you're as good as God or that you're going to save yourself by your works is far from being one of them.
So dude... you don't even know what you're talking about... you're just a repeater of rotten manna that's corrupted with the maggots of mans carnal wisdom...
Oh yeah, I forgot. Christ walked around the truth of what a wretch he is! Oops! To walk like him doesn't mean anything else but to walk JUST LIKE HIM! With the fullness of God dwelling in you (Yes, that's in scripture).
You don't even believe in the power of the new creation and the crucifixion of the flesh. You don't believe that there is such a thing as CHrist in you, that literally is Christ and is like Christ in every way, perfect. You won't deny it directly in word, but you do by your doctrine.
I don't 'go' to church.
Robbie
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Can you understand English? or are you just not reading what I write? or are you intentionally manipulating my words? haha
I never said Christ walked around in the truth of what a wretch He is... my exact word in the statement above were, "Christ walked in the truth of Who He is being the only begotten Son of the Father"
I can't believe Prentis that it seems like you're actually turning to the way of twisting words and manipulating what people are saying so you can feel right... bummed for you buddy...
I never said Christ walked around in the truth of what a wretch He is... my exact word in the statement above were, "Christ walked in the truth of Who He is being the only begotten Son of the Father"
I can't believe Prentis that it seems like you're actually turning to the way of twisting words and manipulating what people are saying so you can feel right... bummed for you buddy...
You claim we are to walk in the truth of what our old nature is.
The opposite of what we are called to!
We are called no longer to walk according to the old nature, but by the new! The old is still condemned. Jesus didn't come to 'hide' our sin nature, but to give us a new one by which we may walk. :)
The opposite of what we are called to!
We are called no longer to walk according to the old nature, but by the new! The old is still condemned. Jesus didn't come to 'hide' our sin nature, but to give us a new one by which we may walk. :)
Robbie
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haha... we're not to walk in the truth of why Jesus Christ died for us? That's the opposite of what we're supposed to do? bahahhahahahah
The new nature is reliance on God instead of reliance on self...
And yes... live in the truth of what the old nature is... reliance on self instead of reliance on God... which is the very foundation of sin.
The original fall of man is based on reliance on self instead of reliance on God... self reliance is based on pride... pride came before the fall... as it still does...
You think you're under the new nature yet you're still reliant on self for your salvation... this is the old nature... not the new...
You deny that and say, "No... I'm gonna die to myself" haha... but then you go on to make salvation all about yourself and what you do.
So really you're not dying to anything... and you're actually becoming estranged from Christ because you're making it about you.
The new nature is reliance on God instead of reliance on self...
And yes... live in the truth of what the old nature is... reliance on self instead of reliance on God... which is the very foundation of sin.
The original fall of man is based on reliance on self instead of reliance on God... self reliance is based on pride... pride came before the fall... as it still does...
You think you're under the new nature yet you're still reliant on self for your salvation... this is the old nature... not the new...
You deny that and say, "No... I'm gonna die to myself" haha... but then you go on to make salvation all about yourself and what you do.
So really you're not dying to anything... and you're actually becoming estranged from Christ because you're making it about you.
Yeah, we who believe in striving to obey Jesus, and those who don't.
Luke 13:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Robbie
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They strive because they try to enter in through self effort... which is all about futile striving... because they won't humble themselves and realize the only way is through the narrow gate.
The narrow gate is Him... the only way to the Father...
The narrow gate is Him... the only way to the Father...
Robbie
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Ducky...
I won't make my salvation about me striving... I will only make my salvation about Christ and Him crucified... my sins being covered by His blood... it's all His glory...
You want to make it about your efforts... that's between you and God... I know I've done my part... I've preached Christ and Him crucified... I've told you not to try and stand before God in your own righteousness... I've told you not to make yourself estranged from Christ by trying to make yourself perfect through your works or keeping the law... I've told you not to make yourself a stranger so you won't stand before Christ and have Him tell you to beat it because He doesn't know you...
And I've done all this despite the fact that you've acted like nothing but a total creep to me... that is me loving my enemy... that is me being obedient to Christ...
I won't make my salvation about me striving... I will only make my salvation about Christ and Him crucified... my sins being covered by His blood... it's all His glory...
You want to make it about your efforts... that's between you and God... I know I've done my part... I've preached Christ and Him crucified... I've told you not to try and stand before God in your own righteousness... I've told you not to make yourself estranged from Christ by trying to make yourself perfect through your works or keeping the law... I've told you not to make yourself a stranger so you won't stand before Christ and have Him tell you to beat it because He doesn't know you...
And I've done all this despite the fact that you've acted like nothing but a total creep to me... that is me loving my enemy... that is me being obedient to Christ...
Sounds like a 'no'.
Luke 13:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Robbie
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The narrow gate is Him... the only way to the Father...
But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from.
That's why He casts them into outer darkness... because they don't know Him...
Can't you see that's not about you becoming as good as God so you can be good enough for salvation?
Can't you see it's about knowing Him?
Don't you realize that if you did know Him you would never be so prideful as to say, "I will be like the most High"
Instead you would only say, "God be merciful to me a sinner"
When we stand in the light of Christ and see the level of perfection necessary for salvation based on works... we realize there is no salvation apart from being covered by His blood... and we give Him the glory as being the only One who was able to fulfill the law.
The reason why we still think we're pretty close to being able to attain righteousness through our own effort is because we don't know Him.
But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from.
That's why He casts them into outer darkness... because they don't know Him...
Can't you see that's not about you becoming as good as God so you can be good enough for salvation?
Can't you see it's about knowing Him?
Don't you realize that if you did know Him you would never be so prideful as to say, "I will be like the most High"
Instead you would only say, "God be merciful to me a sinner"
When we stand in the light of Christ and see the level of perfection necessary for salvation based on works... we realize there is no salvation apart from being covered by His blood... and we give Him the glory as being the only One who was able to fulfill the law.
The reason why we still think we're pretty close to being able to attain righteousness through our own effort is because we don't know Him.
Thank you for your thoughts Robbie.
I believe they echo the sentiments of Jesus' parable of the 5 Talented man; where he replied to his servant "His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Matt 25:23KJV Matt 25:23YLT Matt 25:23
Though he worked tirelessly for his master, like that of the Apostle Paul, his labour of love in comparison to his Master's was very little indeed. However, by contrast his labours in this life were insignificant compared to the reward of becomg a co ruler with Christ over all his goods.
Remembering Jesus has been given ALL power both in Heaven and on Earth.
Insight
"It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13
Blood alone? Better think again!
Robbie
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Yeah insight... I believe there's no greater way I can honer God than recognizing the truth of who He is... by knowing Him through Christ... and by proclaiming Him by proclaiming Christ...
And there's no greater way I can help myself than recognizing the truth of who i am... by knowing myself... and by confessing my sins and recognizing my desperate need for a savior...
When I know the perfect revelation of God's Love in Christ... and the truth of my sin.. that's when I have full understanding that there is no salvation for myself apart from His Mercy, Grace and Love shown towards me when His Son died for me on the cross... and covered me with His blood.
When I recognize this I stop living my life hiding my talents because of fear of God's judgment as His Son already paid for that... and I can start using my talents to further His Kingdom as I no longer have fear of judgment since I already know He showed the perfect example of His love for me when His Son died for me when I was at my absolute worst.
And there's no greater way I can help myself than recognizing the truth of who i am... by knowing myself... and by confessing my sins and recognizing my desperate need for a savior...
When I know the perfect revelation of God's Love in Christ... and the truth of my sin.. that's when I have full understanding that there is no salvation for myself apart from His Mercy, Grace and Love shown towards me when His Son died for me on the cross... and covered me with His blood.
When I recognize this I stop living my life hiding my talents because of fear of God's judgment as His Son already paid for that... and I can start using my talents to further His Kingdom as I no longer have fear of judgment since I already know He showed the perfect example of His love for me when His Son died for me when I was at my absolute worst.
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