@mjrhealth
You said in the other forum:
Than tell us we are all sinners, either HE has or HE has not. Or as Paul put it.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Isnt it up to Jesus to take care of us, If He will not impute Sin on us, will you insist on doing it for Him, It is finished is it not.
Committing sin is finished, yes. But you are reading Romans 7 out of context. This is about the Jews under the law who had to keep the law with their carnal nature Romans 7:13. It is the law of sin and death. You have no power over the sin in your nature, but your mind knows the law.
Jesus cured that never ending dilemma by giving us a new nature. It is called being born again.
Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Paul is saying that the bondage he used to be in, he is now FREE from. He can now fulfill the righteous requirements of the law without struggle.
You said in the other forum:
Than tell us we are all sinners, either HE has or HE has not. Or as Paul put it.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Isnt it up to Jesus to take care of us, If He will not impute Sin on us, will you insist on doing it for Him, It is finished is it not.
Committing sin is finished, yes. But you are reading Romans 7 out of context. This is about the Jews under the law who had to keep the law with their carnal nature Romans 7:13. It is the law of sin and death. You have no power over the sin in your nature, but your mind knows the law.
Jesus cured that never ending dilemma by giving us a new nature. It is called being born again.
Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Paul is saying that the bondage he used to be in, he is now FREE from. He can now fulfill the righteous requirements of the law without struggle.
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