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Isaiah says (more than once) that God does not remember sins if they were forgiven.The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover." Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.
Part of the false doctrine is "we will always sin until we die and receive new bodies." The misunderstanding of the word "flesh" is the problem. Paul uses it equal to the old sinful carnal nature inherited from Adam. Those who believe this doctrine of demons never seek to be free, because they have been told they have to go through a life-long process of sanctification of overcoming sin. In other words, they have to become righteous in their own power of learning right from wrong. Good grief, that is what the Old Covenant was all about, but Romans 7:13 shows the problem. Sin in our nature. What is needed is a brand new spotless, powerful nature that partakes of the divine nature of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-11. This is why 2 Peter 1:9 shows that only our past sins were cleansed. 1 John 1:9 ideally needs to only happen once. Then the fruit of the Spirit grows to maturity. The result of immature fruit causes minor trespasses, but forgiving others their trespasses against us causes our Advocate to forgive our trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15
Jesus' blood cleanses us of ALL sin; He takes it away, not just covers it up. He does NOT leave us with the old carnal nature of Adam? NO! Jesus is the new Adam. We become partakers of the divine nature of God that does not sin. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has FREED us from the law of sin and death. Otherwise, we are not born again prepared for heaven. The New Covenant method regarding sin, is completely different than the Old Testament COVERING of sin, like a tarp over a cesspool, leaving the vile stench below.
The question arises from those in the false doctrine. "Then do we never have to repent again?" How many times does Peter say to repent in Acts 2:38? Or in 1 John 1:9? Once. If you truly repent and truly want to be holy, Jesus gives you His powerful sinless Spirit to change your desires. That is what becoming born again is all about. He makes you partakers of the divine nature.
So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.
What you are saying in effect is that the 'old man' of you is not yet completely dead and that sometimes you surrender to him instead of surrendering to God. You speak of willful sins, but the Holy Spirit leading us does not go that way. As Paul speaks of the old man and the new man, James speaks of double mindedness and John the Baptist speaks of a need for Him to increase and for us to decrease. This is where most of us are, still having two, the old man and the new man, struggling for the dominion within us. All that is required for to become sinless is to surrender continuously to the Lord. He loses no battles, but He cannot fight a battle when we continue insist on taking charge of ourselves.@CharismaticLady,
Don't get me wrong. I am very close to believing that sins of the future are not forgiven if they are committed in a willful manner (Hebrews 10:26-31); and I am very close to believing that I must truly repent or else I am not forgiven.
The only thing that concerns me is that sins that I have committed since becoming a Christian have been "willful" and therefore am I completely devoid of being able to be forgiven; since apparently there is no more sacrifice for sins?
Unless we had perfect discernment ourselves with regard to the heart of everyone else, how could we recognize a sinless person when we met one? Consider what Jesus saw in Nathaniel:If you ever did meet one, they would not say to you that they are perfect (because of 1 John 1:8); and therefore you would be left to figure it out on your own how impeccable they are in their walk with Christ.
That chapter is about the law of Moses. And the quote is from the Old Testament where they sacrificed bulls and goats that merely covered sin, but didn't take it away. You should know that.
Yes, but I believe that these are two dichotomies, that are only valid in two different contexts. The former is speaking in a practical and actual sense, while the other is referring to a figurative or salvific sense. Both are valid, which I've always accepted, but in entirely two different contexts, for otherwise they contradict one another.I sometimes do play both sides of an argument.
If we claim to have no sin, we lie...but if we claim that sin is rendered dead within us, we may indeed be telling the truth.
There are some Christians who go back like a dog to vomit, but not everyone does. This is why Paul commanded us to not quench the Spirit. Why? Because in the Spirit we do not sin.
I have never met anyone who thinks god does not see their sin this is odd to me"...as far as the east is from the west...He remembers them no more. "Covering" sounds like looking the other way like, pretending someone is not sinning, and we know God does not wink at sin, it's the ONLY thing He hates so, it's hard to believe there are some out there who go on sinning thinking He does not know, or see?? That is not the new nature which SHOULD make us hate sin as much as He does.
a dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog and always was a dog
a Christian is not a dog he was made into a new creature.
I have never met anyone who thinks god does not see their sin this is odd to me
"...as far as the east is from the west...He remembers them no more. "Covering" sounds like looking the other way like, pretending someone is not sinning, and we know God does not wink at sin, it's the ONLY thing He hates so, it's hard to believe there are some out there who go on sinning thinking He does not know, or see?? That is not the new nature which SHOULD make us hate sin as much as He does.
No he is not saying that he is talking about fake Christians who walk around like they are saved.Do you not know that verse by Peter? He is saying that if a Christian rejects Christ, it is like a dog returning to his own vomit.
Who?It should be odd to you, because it is not scriptural. But it is part of the false doctrine. These people believe that Jesus leaves us with the same carnal nature we inherited from Adam. They confuse our nature with our bodies. Thus, they believe we still sin while in these bodies, not knowing the power we receive when born again. Being born again is receiving a brand new NATURE. No longer the carnal nature, but are now partakers of the divine nature of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4
WHO THINKS THIS?Yes, thus why it is a false doctrine of demons. Demons WANT us to sin and to believe God doesn't see.
Don't know CL, I haven't a single clue of what you are professing? Like I said, you, or anyone, will never meet a perfect Christian in your life.
Like I also said, you are confusing the idealism of Christianity, with the reality. John is saying, that it is improper for a Christian to sin, for how can you, once made aware of the cross of Christ. This is the manner in which he is speaking. Like I also said, why does John need to tell a perfect person, that they are perfect, for perfection would also involve one's awareness of such things.
You aren't listening to the refutation, but merely and stubbornly, holding fast to your naive and deluded understanding of 1 John.
1 John 1:8, 10
8. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
I have never met anyone who thinks god does not see their sin this is odd to me
WHO THINKS THIS?
Yes, thus why it is a false doctrine of demons. Demons WANT us to sin and to believe God doesn't see.