Alright, guys, scripture scripture scripture. That can get you a little ways. Then there's paid theologians for thousands of years making beautiful Tapestries FROM the Scripture like how Revelation wraps a Closing around from the Beginning's Tree of Life and Knowledge, and Man's Wrong choice, and the Finale is a Tree of Life, and that weaving a Tapestry. Sure! You can go find a sequence that seems contradictory. That's great. That's pre-school. That's shoving pages in people's faces. I've read the Favorite Chapters of the Calvinist Churches. You know, I've wondered, if President Andrew Jackson is illiterate, well, somebody, like his favorite theologian and went and wrote his inaugural addresses that said may God override me. So, is God going to literally just Make the Choices in that Relationship to that President? God just overwrites the veto Power. Separation of Church and State,sure, I'm a Church-zombie, however, have a nice election. Mitt Romney. Depravity from Calvin if I summarize, doesn't seem clear to this thread, God chose good, you can't choose good by yourself, not whatsoever, not saving babies from oncoming trains, not in anything, you're not in charge of good, there you go.