The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

More confirmation.

So defend your claims about Bro. Arnold.

As soon as you defend your claims that 1700 years of orthodox scholars agree that Jesus has completely fulfilled the New Covenant. Quit dodging your responsibility.

 

[covenantee]

As soon as you defend your claims that 1700 years of orthodox scholars agree that Jesus has completely fulfilled the New Covenant. Quit dodging your responsibility.

I've already said that you simply refuse to believe my or anyone else's defense.

So now demonstrate your superiority by providing your defense.

Of course, that would be impossible when you have no defense.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

More confirmation.

So defend your claims about Bro. Arnold.

As soon as you defend your claims. YOu made yours long ago on this thread. You opened your mouth first, so answer first. Or will you continue to dodge, divert and deflect from proving your alleged claims.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I've already said that you simply refuse to believe my or anyone else's defense.

So now demonstrate your superiority by providing your defense.

Of course, that would be impossible when you have no defense.

Well I will answer as you did.

"I've al;ready said that you simply refuse to believe my or anyone else's defense"

YOu are dishonest and more intent on bringing people down than using this forum to build up the saints. Have the last word and insult. I had you on ignore for about 4 months, I think it is time to put you back there.

To you that may mean nothing, but it is my statement that says I am convinced you lack integrity and a Christian spirit.

 

[covenantee]

Well I will answer as you did.

"I've al;ready said that you simply refuse to believe my or anyone else's defense"

YOu are dishonest and more intent on bringing people down than using this forum to build up the saints. Have the last word and insult. I had you on ignore for about 4 months, I think it is time to put you back there.

To you that may mean nothing, but it is my statement that says I am convinced you lack integrity and a Christian spirit.

Aren't you going to defend Bro. Arnold?

Here's what he said:

"At this point some confusion has arisen as to the relationship of the Church to the New Covenant, because, according to Jeremiah, the covenant is made, not with the Church, but with Israel. Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church (Mat. 26:28; Mk. 14:24; Lk. 22:14-20; I Cor. 11:25; II Cor. 3:6; Heb. 7:22; 8:6-13; 9:15; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20)."

Isn't that worth defending?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Aren't you going to defend Bro. Arnold?

Here's what he said:

"At this point some confusion has arisen as to the relationship of the Church to the New Covenant, because, according to Jeremiah, the covenant is made, not with the Church, but with Israel. Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church (Mat. 26:28; Mk. 14:24; Lk. 22:14-20; I Cor. 11:25; II Cor. 3:6; Heb. 7:22; 8:6-13; 9:15; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20)."

Isn't that worth defending?

After you defend you rclaim that 1700 years of orthodox scholars support your allegation that the New covenant was completely fulfilled by Jesus.

If you claim I won't understand you, then I claim you won't understand me.

 

[covenantee]

After you defend you rclaim that 1700 years of orthodox scholars support your allegation that the New covenant was completely fulfilled by Jesus.

If you claim I won't understand you, then I claim you won't understand me.

So we'll let Bro. Arnold defend himself, which he has done very capably.

Repudiating and humiliating you in the process.

You don't believe his defense.

I do.

And truth prevails.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So we'll let Bro. Arnold defend himself, which he has done very capably.

Repudiating and humiliating you in the process.

You don't believe his defense.

I do.

And truth prevails.

Just another didge to avoid defending your position. bye bye. You are dishonest.

 

[covenantee]

Just another didge to avoid defending your position. bye bye. You are dishonest.

Bro. Arnold's defense is also my defense.

You don't believe him so you don't believe me.

You don't believe anyone but yourself.

That's the definition of a cult.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Bro. Arnold's defense is also my defense.

You don't believe him so you don't believe me.

You don't believe anyone but yourself.

That's the definition of a cult.

Welcome to ignore you are a liar!

 

[covenantee]

Welcome to ignore you are a liar!

Then so is Bro. Arnold.

Have you told him?

 

[Jay Ross]

It is important to note that if we pick and choose what parts of the Bible is for us, then we are deciding what parts of the bible are real for us and as such we are playing at being God, such we become a cult where we are at the centre of our religious persuasion and that should only be reserved for the Lord God Almighty.

Usually, these people are on opposing sides of a religious disagreement/argument.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

It is important to note that if we pick and choose what parts of the Bible is for us, then we are deciding what parts of the bible are real for us and as such we are playing at being God, such we become a cult where we are at the centre of our religious persuasion and that should only be reserved for the Lord God Almighty.

Usually, these people are on opposing sides of a religious disagreement/argument.

Shalom

Many parts of the Bible are applicable to some and not to others.

For example, the parts which are applicable to those who have received Christ, are not applicable to those who have not received Christ.

John 1:12

 

[Jay Ross]

Many parts of the Bible are applicable to some and not to others.

For example, the parts which are applicable to those who have received Christ, are not applicable to those who have not received Christ.

John 1:12

You have completely missed the point I was making and have tried to justify your picking and choosing what parts of the scripture that you want to keep.

All of scripture is applicable to each and every one of us at some time in our lives as we ebb and flow in and out of a close relationship with God.

 

[covenantee]

You have completely missed the point I was making and have tried to justify your picking and choosing what parts of the scripture that you want to keep.

All of scripture is applicable to each and every one of us at some time in our lives as we ebb and flow in and out of a close relationship with God.

If you have Scripture disproving John 1:12, please present it.

If you know of some way of becoming a son of God without receiving Christ, please explain it, with Scripture.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you have Scripture disproving John 1:12, please present it.

Did I post anything that was contrary to John 1:12?

The answer to this question is no, I did not post anything that was contrary to John 1:12.

If you know of some way of becoming a son of God without receiving Christ, please explain it, with Scripture.

Did I post anything that even remotely suggested that there was an alternative way of becoming a Son of God?

The answer to this question is no, I did not post anything that suggested an alternative way of becoming a Son of God.

As such I have nothing to explain to you at all. The Scriptures tell us everything that we need to know so as we can became a Son of God.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

Did I post anything that was contrary to John 1:12?

The answer to this question is no, I did not post anything that was contrary to John 1:12.



Did I post anything that even remotely suggested that there was an alternative way of becoming a Son of God?

The answer to this question is no, I did not post anything that suggested an alternative way of becoming a Son of God.

As such I have nothing to explain to you at all. The Scriptures tell us everything that we need to know so as we can became a Son of God.

Shalom

Thanks for confirming that different parts of Scripture apply to different groups of people.

 

[Jay Ross]

Thanks for confirming that different parts of Scripture apply to different groups of people.

Sorry, I did not change from my original position that all of scripture is important.

John 1:12 does say this: -

John 1:6-12: - John’s Witness: The True Light​

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6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.​

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10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.​

But the same Greek word used in John 1:12 is also found in Luke 8:13 where this is said: -

Luke 8:9-15: - 9 Then His disciples asked Him what this parable meant.​

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10 He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,​

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‘though seeing, they may not see;​

though hearing, they may not understand.’​

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11 Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 The seeds along the path are those who hear, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.​

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13 The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.​

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14 The seeds that fell among the thorns are those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by the worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and their fruit does not mature.​

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15 But the seeds on good soil are those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, cling to it, and by persevering produce a crop.​

Yes, John 1:12 is a verse that encourages us, but Luke 8:13 also warns us that if we only believe for a season and then fall away, is a warning that we should heed so as not to fall away.

Our salvation is dependent upon Christ's disciples sending their roots down into God's fertile field to draw all of our nourishment from Him so that we survive.

That was why I stated that all of scripture is important for us to read and apply to our lives so that we do not fall away after our initial believing in Christ.

As such we cannot cheery pick which parts of the scripture we will accept and reject. Doing so means that we are acting God like with the scriptures.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, I did not change from my original position that all of scripture is important.

John 1:12 does say this: -

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John 1:6-12: - John’s Witness: The True Light​

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6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.​

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10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.​

But the same Greek word used in John 1:12 is also found in Luke 8:13 where this is said: -

Luke 8:9-15: - 9 Then His disciples asked Him what this parable meant.​

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10 He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,​

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‘though seeing, they may not see;​

though hearing, they may not understand.’​

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11 Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 The seeds along the path are those who hear, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.​

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13 The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.​

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14 The seeds that fell among the thorns are those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by the worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and their fruit does not mature.​

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15 But the seeds on good soil are those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, cling to it, and by persevering produce a crop.​

Yes, John 1:12 is a verse that encourages us, but Luke 8:13 also warns us that if we only believe for a season and then fall away, is a warning that we should heed so as not to fall away.

Our salvation is dependent upon Christ's disciples sending their roots down into God's fertile field to draw all of our nourishment from Him so that we survive.

That was why I stated that all of scripture is important for us to read and apply to our lives so that we do not fall away after our initial believing in Christ.

As such we cannot cheery pick which parts of the scripture we will accept and reject. Doing so means that we are acting God like with the scriptures.

Shalom

John 1:12 and Luke 8:13 are of importance to that group of individuals who choose to receive Christ, because those individuals are given power to become the sons of God.

John 1:12 and Luke 8:13 are of no importance to that group of individuals who choose to reject Christ, because those individuals are not given power to become the sons of God.

Thus we see parts of Scripture being of importance to one group of individuals, but not to another.

 

[Jay Ross]

John 1:12 and Luke 8:13 are of importance to that group of individuals who choose to receive Christ, because those individuals are given power to become the sons of God.

John 1:12 and Luke 8:13 are of no importance to that group of individuals who choose to reject Christ, because those individuals are not given power to become the sons of God.

Thus we see parts of Scripture being of importance to one group of individuals, but not to another.

So, you are happy to acknowledge that you accept some parts of scripture are for you and that other parts of the scriptures are not. In other words, you are playing God in your understanding of a righteous life by cheering picking the scriptures to suit what you want to believe.