KingJ
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1. I am not entirely with you then. I am not a homosexual offender. I am not an adulterer. If I was committing mortal sins I would be fasting and begging God for mercy every second of the day.DogLady19 said:1. I didn't say "all encompassing sins"... that changes the meaning of what I said drastically...
I said the list of sins is all-encompassing, as in: The list of sins covers the gamut of sinful behavior seen in every person.
2. Matthew 5:28: Did you forget that Jesus fulfilled the law? That we no longer live under the law, but under grace. So no, adultery (or the thought of it) is not a sentence of death by stoning.
3. Matthew 5:39: In context, He is explaining that vengeance is His. We do not repay evil for evil on our own.
Abuse of power was rampant in Jesus' day... Did you know that the crowd that tried to stone the adulteress were breaking the law themselves? Only a magistrate could impose the penalty for breaking a law.
Jesus, IN CONTEXT, was telling them that it isn't their job to impose punishment on law-breakers. Jesus expects us to forgive the wrong-doer, and leave the punishment to Him.
IN CONTEXT, a slap on the face is an assault to one's dignity, not at the level of rape.
IN CONTEXT, Matthew 5 is a lesson on righteousness directed at His followers, not a lesson on legal rights or for unbelievers.
4. Adultery in your mind violates the 10th Commandment. It has always been a sin.
I don't "preach" at all... and I don't ever single out one sin to condemn when I myself sin everyday. But I would follow these instructions when confronting someone about their sin:
"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently." Galatians 6:1
"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20
2.God does not change. If He ordained that X deserved death by stoning, we can be certain that that punishment still pleases Him. The only difference is in how the punishment is administered. The Jews He chose to do it as the OT records it. The gentiles will get what is coming to them in the next life. Us Christians who continue in this unrepentant sin will lose our salvation and receive a worse punishment in hell.
3. We can draw a lot from Matt 5:39. I agree with what you said but you are dodging my point. Not resist and evil person CAN be interpreted as allowing yourself to be raped. Rapist = evil person. Rape = evil dead, do not resist the rapist = allow yourself to be raped. We can only but see it as a rhetorical overstatement as much of Matt 5 is.
4. I agree 100% with you there. But you did not answer my question. Is thinking of someone else immorally justification for divorce per Matt 5:28? Yes or No?
When Paul said Rom 7:15, was he alluding to the fact that he was still murdering?DogLady19 said:I'm with you on this ATP. Not sure why some here are having trouble with the concept of a Christian sinning vs a person unrepentantly living a sinful life.
Wasn't it Paul who said "I die daily"? So, even those who are saved must surrender everyday and resist the temptation to sin.