The Garden of Eden

[John Stefan]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.



kind regards John Stefan

 

[MatthewG]

Hello John,

Welcome to this forum.

That is a very interesting question that I do not have the answer too.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.

Hi John and welcome to the forum. This is a great question so let’s see what the Bible has to say about it.....
Reading through the first three chapters of Genesis, we see that when God expelled the first humans from the garden for their disobedience to his only negative command, he barred the way back into the garden by posting a guardian angel at the entrance, which appeared to be the only way in. The flaming blade of a sword was also a visible reminder of God’s anger at their defection.

There is no record of what happened to the garden, but humans were barred from entering it because it was the only place where the “tree of life” was growing. (Genesis 3:22-24) This tree was the only means that God had given the humans that would ensure that they never died. It was a literal “tree of life” because God never intended for humans to die. They were to “fill the earth” with their children and spread the boundaries of their paradise home to encompass the whole earth....thereafter to care for it, and maintain it. There was no sickness, aging or death in the garden of Eden, but once evicted, the humans would eventually die and return to the dust as God had told them would happen if they ate from the one tree that he had claimed as his own property. It was not a poisonous fruit, but symbolised God’s rightful Sovereignty.....to steal what belonged to God ended their prospect of everlasting life, not only for themselves, but also for their children, who inherited the results of their sin. God used their defection to show humans what a world controlled by the “god” they chose, would look like. They could not be told, but they could be shown what their disobedience would lead to. A lesson that will echo down though time for all eternity.

When the flood of Noah’s day engulfed the earth, it would more than likely have altered the landscape so dramatically, that wherever the garden had been, would no longer be identifiable.

The next mention of the “trees of life” is in Revelation where they portray the means of everlasting life granted to those who are “saved” through God’s day of vengeance at the end of this world system which I believe is rapidly approaching.

God’s original purpose for mankind will be reinstated (Isaiah 55:11) and everlasting life will be restored for the human race to enjoy the paradise that God intended for us all along. (Revelation 21:2-4)

As Jesus told the thief who was hung alongside of him...”you will be with me in paradise”...this was not a promise of heaven, but of his resurrection by Jesus in the restored earthly paradise. (John 5:28-29)

God has chosen a special group he called his “elect”, chosen by God to rule in the heavenly kingdom with his son. These will rule over earthly subjects. (Revelation 20:6)

That is what I understand the Bible to teach us. Food for thought....

 

[Robert Gwin]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.



kind regards John Stefan

The land is still here sir, Jehovah blocked entry through sentries posted for a while, most likely it went back primitive as all land abandoned does. No one on earth knows the location of it today. Some believe they can narrow it down to an area, however, their findings of course is simply speculation.

 

[amadeus]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.

kind regards John Stefan

The land is still here sir, Jehovah blocked entry through sentries posted for a while, most likely it went back primitive as all land abandoned does. No one on earth knows the location of it today. Some believe they can narrow it down to an area, however, their findings of course is simply speculation.

Jesus is the Door leading into it. He is also the Tree of Life within it from which each overcomer is able to partake.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:7-10

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14

 

[Bob Estey]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.



kind regards John Stefan

I suspect the Garden of Eden remains where it was, though it likely isn't a garden any more.

 

[Enoch111]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled?

It would seem that that is what happened. The tree of life -- which was originally in the Garden of Eden -- is shown in Heaven in this passage in Revelation:

Chapter 22
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is the Door leading into it. He is also the Tree of Life within it from which each overcomer is able to partake.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:7-10

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is the Door leading into it. He is also the Tree of Life within it from which each overcomer is able to partake.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:7-10

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14

I can see your comparison Amad, and agree that Jesus can be considered the tree of life, as anyone who receives everlasting life receives it through him, however the tree of life existed prior to sin sir, so I don't think it was placed there to foreshadow him.

 

[amadeus]

I can see your comparison Amad, and agree that Jesus can be considered the tree of life, as anyone who receives everlasting life receives it through him, however the tree of life existed prior to sin sir, so I don't think it was placed there to foreshadow him.

Access to the Door and thus the Tree of Life was blocked when Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Jesus was sent to open the Way that had been closed. Thanks to him it is now open, but in order to enter in and be welcomed a person must be properly attired and prepared. God has also provided all that is needed for a person to accomplish that.

Those who really love God will walk the straight and narrow pathway as He directs them.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;" Eph 6:11-18

 

[VictoryinJesus]

however the tree of life existed prior to sin sir,

“however the tree of life existed prior to sin” when I think of tree I think of fruit…
you suggested the tree of life was not placed there to foreshadow Him
who is foreshadowed in “My”
Proverbs 8:19-28
[19] My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. [20] I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: [21] That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. [22] The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

who can say whoever finds me finds Life? Or all they that hate me love death?
Proverbs 8:35-36 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord. [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.



kind regards John Stefan

Great question regarding the garden of Eden but then it has caused another question for me …why the garden of Gethsemane?

The name Gethsemane (Hebrew gat shemanim, “oil press”) suggests that the garden was a grove of olive trees in which was located an oil press.

Gethsemane appears in the Greek original of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Mark as Γεθσημανή (Gethsēmanḗ). The name is derived from the Aramaic ܓܕܣܡܢ (Gaḏ-Šmānê), meaning "oil press". Matthew 26:36 and Mark 14:32 call it χωρίον (chōríon), meaning a place or estate. Jude 1:6?

In the Christian religion, the garden of Gethsemane is important because it is the place where Judas betrayed Jesus. It was a place he often went, and on the night before the betrayal, (it is the place he often went before the betrayal makes me think of the presence of the Lord coming to walk with Adam Genesis 3:8-13 he went there with his disciples (exc. Judas). He prayed and they slept (though they were also supposed to be praying).

“What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled?” Expelled, is expelled near unto the same as thrust out? (Luke 13:27-29)

you asked “What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled?” After the betrayal and sin was expelled (removed) by Jesus Christ was He Taken up? Acts 1:9-13 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. [10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; [11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. [12] Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. [13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

only things to take into consideration… I’m still stuck on why the garden of Gethsemane?

 

[Davy]

What happened to the Garden of Eden after the Great flood? Was it taken up to heaven after Adam and Eve where expelled? I look forward to some replies.

kind regards John Stefan

The Bible student only learns where Eden went after much Bible study in most of The Bible.

Eden by the way, in the Greek Septuagint Old Testament, which the early Church used, it translates Eden as the Greek word for Paradise. Recall that Jesus on His cross told the malefactor that believed on Him, that He would be with Him that day in "paradise" (Luke 23:43).

Thus wherever our Heavenly Father is, that is where His Paradise or Eden is.

Here is the Genesis Scripture pointing to when He removed His Eden off this earth...

Gen 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man is become as one of Us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
KJV


Ezekiel 47 reveals the future return of that 'tree of life', along with God's River that flowed out of Eden to feed four other rivers upon the earth per Genesis 2. And the future location of that is even shown in Ezekiel 47. Our Heavenly Father and His Son once lived upon this earth before, and He will return to live with us per His Promise.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Access to the Door and thus the Tree of Life was blocked when Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Jesus was sent to open the Way that had been closed. Thanks to him it is now open, but in order to enter in and be welcomed a person must be properly attired and prepared. God has also provided all that is needed for a person to accomplish that.

Those who really love God will walk the straight and narrow pathway as He directs them.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;" Eph 6:11-18

You are comparing Jesus with the tree of life I gather, and yes I see the similarities, and believe if you want to label it that way that Jesus is actually the new tree of life. However, I do not see the original tree of life as being Jesus, nor intended to prefigure Jesus, as Jesus as a ransomer was not needed until Adam sinned.

There is no doubt in my mind that those who truly love God will be guided by Him sir, in fact it is He that makes the seeds we plant grow, based on their love for Him. By putting on that Spiritual armor, we will be able to quench all satans fiery missiles, and he has a lot.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Bible student only learns where Eden went after much Bible study in most of The Bible.

Eden by the way, in the Greek Septuagint Old Testament, which the early Church used, it translates Eden as the Greek word for Paradise. Recall that Jesus on His cross told the malefactor that believed on Him, that He would be with Him that day in "paradise" (Luke 23:43).

Thus wherever our Heavenly Father is, that is where His Paradise or Eden is.

Here is the Genesis Scripture pointing to when He removed His Eden off this earth...

Gen 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man is become as one of Us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
KJV


Ezekiel 47 reveals the future return of that 'tree of life', along with God's River that flowed out of Eden to feed four other rivers upon the earth per Genesis 2. And the future location of that is even shown in Ezekiel 47. Our Heavenly Father and His Son once lived upon this earth before, and He will return to live with us per His Promise.

6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen [this]? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the bank of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, upon the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.


12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow every tree for food, whose leaf shall not whither, neither shall the fruit thereof fail: it shall bring forth new fruit every month, because the waters thereof issue out of the sanctuary; and the fruit thereof shall be for food, and the leaf thereof for healing.

what fruit does the tree of life bear?
He leads me beside still waters…
They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. Isaiah 49:10

is this by the future River?

 

[Robert Gwin]

“however the tree of life existed prior to sin” when I think of tree I think of fruit…
you suggested the tree of life was not placed there to foreshadow Him
who is foreshadowed in “My”
Proverbs 8:19-28
[19] My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. [20] I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: [21] That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. [22] The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

who can say whoever finds me finds Life? Or all they that hate me love death?
Proverbs 8:35-36 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord. [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Yes maam, I am suggesting that it was not placed there to foreshadow Christ. You and I agree that Proverbs 8 is not speaking of wisdom itself, rather it is speaking about Jesus. Many faiths recognize that as well, and we use one of it's verses to show that Jesus was created, v22. The beginning of His way was speaking of the creation.

The Bible states that Jehovah knows the finale from the beginning, and I believe that, but think of what that means if God placed that tree there to foreshadow Christ, that would mean He would know that Adam would sin prior to making him. If that is actually the fact, it would mean that God was responsible for all the injustice, torture, pain, disgusting things that have happened since. If that is so, it will be revealed during the millennial reign of Christ, and I will side with satan in the end, if I even make it till then.

We teach that although Jehovah has the power to have foreseen it, He has selective foreknowledge, and was not aware that Adam would sin prior to His creating him, nor up to the time of the sin itself.

 

[amadeus]

You are comparing Jesus with the tree of life I gather, and yes I see the similarities, and believe if you want to label it that way that Jesus is actually the new tree of life. However, I do not see the original tree of life as being Jesus, nor intended to prefigure Jesus, as Jesus as a ransomer was not needed until Adam sinned.

Did not God know from the beginning what men would do?

Did not God always have a plan to handle every contingency?

Did not God even speak His Word for men, all of it pertaining, even before He created men? Should we limit God to time?

There is no doubt in my mind that those who truly love God will be guided by Him sir, in fact it is He that makes the seeds we plant grow, based on their love for Him. By putting on that Spiritual armor, we will be able to quench all satans fiery missiles, and he has a lot.

Give God the glory! He is able in every situation.

 

[Webers_Home]

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According to Rev 22:1-2 the tree of life is an Rx, viz: a remedy for whatever
ails you.

For example: when Adam tasted the forbidden fruit (Gen 2:17) his body lost
its perpetual youth and began to age. The tree's chemistry would've restored
Adam's body to perfect health.

• Gen 3:22c . . what if he should stretch out his hand and take also from the
tree of life and eat, and live forever!

The Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't always indicate infinity.
Normally it just means perpetual as "in perpetuity" viz: indefinitely; which
Webster's defines as: having no exact limits.

Anyway, the problem is: people tend to take advantage of medications in
order to continue their bad habits. For example; treatments for STDs enable
immoral folk to continue their swinging life style with little fear of permanent
consequences. The same can be said for folk with high cholesterol numbers.
Statins make it possible for them to keep on eating foods that are bad for
them.

Had Adam been allowed free access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets seeing as how its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily remedied by the tree of life.

FYI: Eternal life and immortality are not the same. The first refers to a
perfectly healthy spirit, and the second refers to a perfectly healthy body.
Obviously nobody has a perfectly healthy body because everybody gets old
and eventually ends up deceased.
_

 

[Robert Gwin]

Did not God know from the beginning what men would do?

Did not God always have a plan to handle every contingency?

Did not God even speak His Word for men, all of it pertaining, even before He created men? Should we limit God to time?


Give God the glory! He is able in every situation.

Did not God know from the beginning what men would do?
I believe He knows the finale from the beginning, but I certainly hope He chose to not know Adam would sin. Would you put all living things through what they have had to endure? I wouldn't, in fact I have proven that as I chose not to have children so they would not have to go through it.
Did not God always have a plan to handle every contingency? Not sure, but He will become whatever is necessary to see His purpose fulfilled. He instantly gave the solution right after the sin in the Garden of Eden. Gen 3:15

Did not God even speak His Word for men, all of it pertaining, even before He created men?
We have no way of knowing, in fact He primarily gave it around a millennium after He created man.

Should we limit God to time? Time is essentially irrelevant when dealing with eternity Amad.

Give God the glory! He is able in every situation. Amen, Amad.

 

[amadeus]

Did not God know from the beginning what men would do?
I believe He knows the finale from the beginning, but I certainly hope He chose to not know Adam would sin.

I won't tempt God by saying I know, when I do not. I do believe that each believer can see more than when he first believed if... yes if, he has continued to seek first things firsts according to God.

The Apostle Paul includes himself when he writes of seeing as if through darkened glass... in other words, with something less than what men would call 20/20 vision.

But Paul also speaks of a "face-to- face" time. Are we on the approach to that face-to-face? We do need to be...now! Today is the day that the Lord hath made!

Would you put all living things through what they have had to endure? I wouldn't, in fact I have proven that as I chose not to have children so they would not have to go through it.

My son did that...but then he married a woman with a pregnant daughter. Neither parent would or could properly care for that boy. My son took on the responsibility of bringing up that neglected boy, now 12 years old. That boy has been a blessing to both my son and his wife as well as for my wife and me. We should be slow to decide things for God. Consider why Abraham had a son named Ismael..!

Did not God always have a plan to handle every contingency? Not sure, but He will become whatever is necessary to see His purpose fulfilled. He instantly gave the solution right after the sin in the Garden of Eden. Gen 3:15

Did not God even speak His Word for men, all of it pertaining, even before He created men?
We have no way of knowing, in fact He primarily gave it around a millennium after He created man.

No, we do not know more than what God has revealed to us. What did God already know before He revealed anything to any man?

Should we limit God to time? Time is essentially irrelevant when dealing with eternity Amad.

...Which means dealing with God! Time is, however, relevant to men, unless and until, a man becomes that much like Him...:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

Give God the glory! He is able in every situation. Amen, Amad.