The GENDER Issue again :)

[michaelvpardo]

Did you really just say someone was rude then call them a moron in the same post?

She was mistaken and upset by a false prophet. Read scottA's posts. What saint would assert that if he isn't becoming God, then Jesus isn't God?

 

[Pearl]

The unclean attack the truth, but the truth is blessed sister.
This scottA picked up on a comment on the meme dump thread and saw it as an opportunity to sow division and find a following among the unstable. Trust the Lord and the anointing in you.

Thank you yes but I should not have let him upset me.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Paul said thus was a commandment from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.



If that were so, then why address only the women to be silent and not suffer any to teach nor usurp authority over a man?

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why refer to the fall of Adam & Eve? Coud it be that Adam knew better having heard the warning from God directly and not the woman, ad yet he still hearkened unto the woman? Could this be what Paul was referring to as a commandment from the Lord for man to rule over the woman in being responsible to the word of God?

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Why did Paul stressed the order of things here with Christ as the Head?

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

So there are plenty of scriptures to see that this was not Paul's commandment but the commandment from the Lord.

Don't let ScottA get you riled. Stand in your faith and trust the anointing in you.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Thank you yes but I should not have let him upset me.

The righteous are always offended by false doctrine and defensive responses are just natural to man. Stand in your faith and you will rise above the adversary and crush Satan underfoot.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Quotable

Feel free

 

[reformed1689]

She was mistaken and upset by a false prophet. Read scottA's posts. What saint would assert that if he isn't becoming God, then Jesus isn't God?

Wait, what happened???

 

[michaelvpardo]

You can quote and slander me, but leaving out my quote of the apostle Paul proving you wrong, tells all.

Typical.

Slandering me is one thing, but including (or excluding) Paul is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Says the wolf in sheeps clothing. You've been found out and the saints are rallying.

 

[ScottA]

Paul said thus was a commandment from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.



If that were so, then why address only the women to be silent and not suffer any to teach nor usurp authority over a man?

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why refer to the fall of Adam & Eve? Coud it be that Adam knew better having heard the warning from God directly and not the woman, ad yet he still hearkened unto the woman? Could this be what Paul was referring to as a commandment from the Lord for man to rule over the woman in being responsible to the word of God?

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Why did Paul stressed the order of things here with Christ as the Head?

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

So there are plenty of scriptures to see that this was not Paul's commandment but the commandment from the Lord.

None of that which Paul preached and is written is incorrect.

But, just as Paul also said: at face value, the words are "foolishness" to the natural man. To limit the words to that level, is to quench the Holy Spirit. But no, we are to "press on", to receive the "other Helper" sent by Christ "to lead us unto all truth."

The question then becomes, who will "hear what the Spirit says to the churches?"

And it is obvious that some hear have and do respond only to and regarding the natural, and not the Spirit. So be it, so shall it also be measured to them.

 

[ScottA]

She was mistaken and upset by a false prophet. Read scottA's posts. What saint would assert that if he isn't becoming God, then Jesus isn't God?

Quotable

 

[ScottA]

Says the wolf in sheeps clothing. You've been found out and the saints are rallying.

Quotable

 

[Christ4Me]

None of that which Paul preached and is written is incorrect.

But, just as Paul also said: at face value, the words are "foolishness" to the natural man. To limit the words to that level, is to quench the Holy Spirit. But no, we are to "press on", to receive the "other Helper" sent by Christ "to lead us unto all truth."

The question then becomes, who will "hear what the Spirit says to the churches?"

And it is obvious that some hear have and do respond only to and regarding the natural, and not the Spirit. So be it, so shall it also be measured to them.

Then the Holy Spirit will not cause a woman to speak in the assembly nor to teach since it is the commandment from the Lord.

The Lord can and has used women in outward ministry, but the Holy Spirit will not manifest tongues in women nor the gift of prophesy for the women to speak in church.

 

[Christ4Me]

Don't let ScottA get you riled.

He does not but it is the Lord that ministers and so we can pray for him that God will help him to see the truth in His words.

Stand in your faith and trust the anointing in you.

I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that I do.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Wait, what happened???

ScottA started this thread because he spotted an argument in the meme dump thread and my post of Paul's statements about women being silent in the church. (Which I posted as a question to a female saint of questionable maturity,)
He's placed himself as the defender of the oppressed ladies and then went on to argue against scripture. I ran into this crafty fellow before and when confronted with scripture he goes off on this circuitous apologetic about "the greater truth" which apparently only he is aware of. So I told him bluntly that we are meant to be renewed in God's image, but none of us will ever be God. So, he breaks into more circuitous babble about his greater truth, and again I tell him bluntly that none of us will ever be God. His response misappropriated some scripture and he reasoned that if he was not becoming God then Jesus isn't God.
Feel free to go back and read his posts carefully.
I told him outright that if he spoke such things in any of our churches (the saints), he'd be politely ushered out the door and told not to come back. Then he's shutting down any argument that supports the biblical prohibitions taught by Paul and getting abusive with other saints. I won't stand for that.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Quotable

Feel free. Righteous judgment should always be quotable .

 

[Pearl]

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[reformed1689]

ScottA started this thread because he spotted an argument in the meme dump thread and my post of Paul's statements about women being silent in the church. (Which I posted as a question to a female saint of questionable maturity,)
He's placed himself as the defender of the oppressed ladies and then went on to argue against scripture. I ran into this crafty fellow before and when confronted with scripture he goes off on this circuitous apologetic about "the greater truth" which apparently only he is aware of. So I told him bluntly that we are meant to be renewed in God's image, but none of us will ever be God. So, he breaks into more circuitous babble about his greater truth, and again I tell him bluntly that none of us will ever be God. His response misappropriated some scripture and he reasoned that if he was not becoming God then Jesus isn't God.
Feel free to go back and read his posts carefully.
I told him outright that if he spoke such things in any of our churches (the saints), he'd be politely ushered out the door and told not to come back. Then he's shutting down any argument that supports the biblical prohibitions taught by Paul and getting abusive with other saints. I won't stand for that.

Wow, just wow.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Bible does not say that, Paul said the OPPOSITE.

You are the one looking foolish, not me.

Are you on your cell phone or something. Why can't you give me the scriptures you believe "said the OPPOSITE." Or are you just trolling.

 

[ScottA]

Says the wolf in sheeps clothing. You've been found out and the saints are rallying.

"For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." Matthew 24:28​

 

[reformed1689]

Are you on your cell phone or something. Why can't you give me the scriptures you believe "said the OPPOSITE." Or are you just trolling.

Because I have already done so? Goodness.

 

[ScottA]

ScottA started this thread because he spotted an argument in the meme dump thread and my post of Paul's statements about women being silent in the church. (Which I posted as a question to a female saint of questionable maturity,)
He's placed himself as the defender of the oppressed ladies and then went on to argue against scripture. I ran into this crafty fellow before and when confronted with scripture he goes off on this circuitous apologetic about "the greater truth" which apparently only he is aware of. So I told him bluntly that we are meant to be renewed in God's image, but none of us will ever be God. So, he breaks into more circuitous babble about his greater truth, and again I tell him bluntly that none of us will ever be God. His response misappropriated some scripture and he reasoned that if he was not becoming God then Jesus isn't God.
Feel free to go back and read his posts carefully.
I told him outright that if he spoke such things in any of our churches (the saints), he'd be politely ushered out the door and told not to come back. Then he's shutting down any argument that supports the biblical prohibitions taught by Paul and getting abusive with other saints. I won't stand for that.

Slanderous. Not what my Original Post represents at all.

But then again, anyone can go read it for themselves. Please do.