God help me, I can't stay out of these things completely sometimes.
The parallel between husband and wife is Christ and the church, and was it or was it not foreshadowed through Adam and Eve? As Paul said in one place, "the mystery is great, but I speak of Christ and the church," and in another, "the woman being deceived was in transgression." It means that according to orthodox Christianity, Adam ate knowing full well what he was doing, but like Christ after him, he ate out of love for his wife so that she might not be alone in her sin, but have an advocate standing with her before God. So too with Christ. He was made sin for us that we might be joined to Him, and have an Advocate before God, and judgment might be turned away from us. And as a result, God honored both Christ and His bride, and they will be victorious over sin and death when all is said and done, and it was through this victory that Adam and Eve are in Heaven today, and enjoying Paradise together once again.
@Oceanprayers: I'm not staying in this long because I know how round and round it can go, but why the dishonor to either Adam OR Eve in the narrative? Why is it always, "She was the bad guy" or "He was the bad guy"? Why not rather honor to them both as examples of Christ and His bride, that out of love for one another they overcame the penalty of sin together, and in refusing to be apart from one another God had compassion upon them in the end?
And that's enough for me. Gets a little too mushy-gushy even for Mr. Emotional, but honestly, the whole Biblical narrative ends up being a story of redemption and victory. Why the focus on when they suffered their terrible defeat?
The divisive assault against the church is a constant perpetrated by MichaelP. And his mirror Allie in this thread.
Insisting women are deficient due to their sex,etc ...
Even attempting in one thread to berate me with a personal attack due to my opining contrary to Michaels errant statements in an effort to correct for others his misrepresentation of a passage. Telling me I need submit in quietude to an elder. Presumably himself.
The fact is the Genesis narrative is clear. Both Adam and Eve were unaware of what it meant to obey.
Because they did not know what that meant being they had no knowledge of obedience and disobedience in order to make a choice to eat or not eat of the tree that would imbue them with that awareness like unto that of God.
They were coerced by the serpent to eat. The serpent knew full well what was at stake.
And it was by God's will and decree that their ignorant acts damned future generations for all time. Even after the deluge, the new race was condemned. When that was the global baptism that truly washed away the sins in the world because it drowned all but 8 sinners. Including innocent animals and foul that weren't saved by the ark.
Yet another allegory for the future gospel.
So the cause of our present condition is predicated on human responsibility second to that of God predetermining the whole thing to occur
And it was by that authority that God made the responsibility for sin that already existed entering this world .
Adam didn't consciously choose to sin so Eve wouldn't be alone in her sin. Eve didn't know she'd sinned. Because that knowledge didn't yet exist in them in order to make a conscious choice to sin together.
And if the man is to be the head of the woman, as Adam was made to be in the beginning, and for some that is what makes men in authority,superior to women today, he failed! Willfully. Because had he known his place he would have led Eve from temptation. Not agreed to be persuaded into it right beside her.
They could not overcome God's will.
By one man sin entered this world. Sin preexisted Eden in Heaven. Where Lucifer sinned in rebellion against God.
Then Lucifer,supposedly the serpent of Eden, brought the opportunity to sin into the earthly paradise. Because God let him be Lord of this world. As he remains to this day.
I have a sticker on my truck. "Eve was framed!"
Because it's true.
Emotional topic? Of course! We're all destined to damnation at birth because of the Genesis plan of God.
Odd, given Jesus became sin on the cross and took the sins of the whole world, for all time, upon himself on the cross. Paying the sin debt in full.
But sin is still in God's created world. And humans are still destined to live and die as sinners.
Unless it until they are those God predestined to save from their sins.
That's an odd narrative right there.
Jesus took the sins of the whole world for eternity upon himself on the last altar where he paid with his blood to wipe sin out of the world as the last or 2nd Adam.
Yet, sin is still here. And Satan-Lucifer is still the earthly lord that exploits it by God's will
Emotional issue? How could it not be? It's our life and future we're talking about. Based on a foundation of a scriptural narrative as to why that is.
And it has an impact because we believe.