The good man that turned bad out of necessity
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It is the reality of the world we live in. Being a pacifist in this world is a death sentence.
What did I say earlier? It's a long thread.
In the scenario that’s been presented to me it was asserted that one must use a weapon to prevent innocent school children from being harmed. It has been presented as a moral issue.
How are you going to use a gun to prevent innocent school children from being harmed - assuming that it is a guaranteed outcome - if you don’t own a weapon?
I have several in my home.
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What percentage of US adults own a gun? Do you know?
It doesn’t have to be. But even if it were, I’m prepared for it, just as the earliest followers of Jesus were.
Go back to the example that @Debp gave. See post #64.
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In two recent cases here, they were only able to stop the killing by bringing down the perpetrators. Unfortunately, in both cases the police were late in arriving ... in one situation 6 were killed, in the other 15 were killed.
that is a cop out
We have no way of knowing who is a Christian and who is not ... but we can soon work out if innocent people are being killed.
You bring up the history of early Christianity to defend pacifism and yet ignore the two centurions that were commended by the Lord ... and Philippians 1:13 implies there were Christians in the palace guard ... probably the the best known soldier killed for his faith is Sebastian who was a serving officer in the Praetorian Guard while secretly helping Christians to evade capture.
I haven’t ignored the centurions. I’ve addressed it in this thread as well as in other threads on this forum.
As it was presented: Christians have a right to defend themselves, their families, and their country, from harm. You said you're okay with that so long as it doesn't result in the death of the one doing the harm. Which I think is really silly.
I'm assuming you mean guns and not butter knives?
You’ve misstated what I’ve said. You also think Paul is wrong. Since my position is his, and you think it is silly, you think Paul is silly.
Which I think is anti-Christian.
Guns. But I also have butter knives.
No, you have not addressed it, you just gave an IDK.
I provided evidence from early Christianity which shows that there were Christian soldiers serving in the Roman army.
Alright. So that's finally established. We're all allowed to have opinions.
Do you use the guns to spread the jam and the butter knives for self defense?
If you review this thread, or search my posts in others, you will find that I have.
@RLT63 and I discussed it in this thread just a couple of days ago.
I’ve just spent several weeks addressing the issue of Christian soldiers serving in the Roman army.
Yes, but you’ve said that your opinions aren’t based on Christian arguments. Your non-Christian / anti-Christian arguments aren’t going to persuade me.
No.
I'm not trying to persuade you.
Then what are the guns for? Hunting? Because if you have to shoot sometime in self defense, there's a good chance they'll die.
You said you did not know
Biblical justification for harming or killing followers of Jesus
Why do you want to continue to talk about this topic? As you know, I trace my spiritual roots back to the 1st century through the Anabaptists. For Anabaptists (and the earliest Christians), pacifism - not to be confused with passivism - is a major issue in Anabaptism. Blessed are the...
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You’re in luck then.
Hunting and self-defense against animals, but I could see a scenario for using them in self-defense against humans. Have you ever watched the movie [Hoosiers?
Yes. I wouldn’t shoot at anyone in self-defense.
You said you did not know
Biblical justification for harming or killing followers of Jesus
Why do you want to continue to talk about this topic? As you know, I trace my spiritual roots back to the 1st century through the Anabaptists. For Anabaptists (and the earliest Christians), pacifism - not to be confused with passivism - is a major issue in Anabaptism. Blessed are the...
I said that no one knows what happened to Cornelius and the others. There are no extant records outside of scripture to refer to for them. In other threads I’ve discussed extensively what happened in general to persons in that position, drawing also from the writings of the Ante Nicene Church fathers toward them.
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