The Gospel and the Spirit of Anti-Christ.

[Soyeong]

Martin Luther's newfound doctrine of justification by faith was so traumatic for the reformers that they believed that anyone that opposed it was anti-Christ.

There were many Christians that believed the Gospel and justification by faith besides Luther. What made Luther stand out is that he was a Catholic monk. After Luther nailed his thesis to the door of the Catholic church there was a riot. The reformers (Protestants) versus the Catholic church. Thousands of people died. Some Christian scholars believe that the reformation was the wounding of the head of the beast in Revelation 13:3, which they believed represented the Catholic church.

The Catholic church does not believe in Justification by faith apart from the works of the law. They believe that it is the Gospel plus works. Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20. It appears that the Catholic doctrine of works is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ.

After Martin Luther's reformation there was another reformation, Calvinism. Both Luther and Calvin were reformers. One according to the Gospel and justification by faith, the other according to John Calvin. It appears to me that Calvin was jealous of Luther and wanted to start his own movement, called Calvinism. The doctrine of justification by faith without works is supported by scripture. The doctrine of Calvinism is not. There is no scripture that says God predestinates people to heaven or hell. Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ.

It appears to me that any doctrine or religion that does not believe the Gospel and justification by faith is anti-Christ. John said, "Little Children, it is the last time: as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrist; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us" 1 John 2:18-19. Here is the division of Protestants and the Catholics. They went out from us, they were not of us. If you don't believe the Gospel and justification by faith you cannot be a member of John's church because you are antichrist.

Character traits are not something that are earned as the result of having first done done a certain amount of works that express that trait, but rather the only way to attain a character trait is through faith that we ought to be doers of that trait apart from our works apart from that. However, for someone to have a character trait through faith means that they are a doer of that trait through faith, so it is contradictory for someone to have a character trait apart from being a doer of that trait. For example, courageous is not something that is earned as the result of having first done a certain amount of courageous works, but rather the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith that they ought to be a doer of courageous works apart from that. However, for it is contradictory for someone to be courageous apart from being a doer of courageous works, and the same is true of righteousness and other character traits. This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous does not abolish our need to be doers of righteous works, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31). So Paul was saying that become righteous through faith apart from being required to have first done a certain amount of righteous works in order to earn it as a wage, but he was not saying that being righteous is apart from being doers of righteous works.

The way to believe in God is by believing that we ought to be in His image, or in other words, that we ought to be doers of His character traits, so the way that we choose to live testifies about what we believe the be true of God's character. For example, by doing good works in obedience to God's law, we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to God (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. The way to believe that God is just is by being a doer of just works in obedience to His law, the way to believe that God is holy as by following His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth for His other character traits. Another way to put it is that we are having faith in the revealed character of God to correctly divide between right and wrong and to make our way straight rather than leaning on our own understanding of right and wrong. When someone obeys God's law, then the significance of their action is that they are expressing their faith, not that it is part of what they are required to have done first in order to earn their righteousness as the result.

 

[Soyeong]

There are only two ways for a person to believe that they can be saved.

1. Works, laws and religion. 90% believe that this is how a person can be saved.

2. By grace (God's goodness through faith) Christianity. Apart from works, laws and religion.

All that believe that it is by works, laws and religion will oppose that salvation is by grace through faith. and are anti-Christ.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so he is the man of lawfulness while 2 Thessalonians 2:3 describes the anti-Christ in contrast as the man of lawlessness, so pick which one you want to follow.

 

[Robert Pate]

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so he is the man of lawfulness while 2 Thessalonians 2:3 describes the anti-Christ in contrast as the man of lawlessness, so pick which one you want to follow.

You apparently believe that you can please God by obeying the law, and that righteousness is by the law.

Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 20.

The way of salvation in the Old Testament was by faith in God's promise of a savior. Never by the law. Nothing has changed. Without faith in Christ no one will ever see heaven.

 

[Soyeong]

You apparently believe that you can please God by obeying the law, and that righteousness is by the law.

Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 20.

The way of salvation in the Old Testament was by faith in God's promise of a savior. Never by the law. Nothing has changed. Without faith in Christ no one will ever see heaven.

No, but you apparently believe that we you can please God by disobeying His law and that it it is not contradictory for someone to be righteous while not being a doer of righteous works.

I quoted Psalms 119:30 as saying that he chose the way of faith by setting God’s law before him, so the significance of him obeying it was not that it was part of something that he was required to have done first in order to earn his righteousness as the result, but rather the significance is that he is acting in faith and it is by that faith that God is pleased and that he is righteous.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of having first obeyed it, living in obedience to it through faith in God’s promise of a Savior is the way that he is saving us from not living in obedience to it.

It is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what God has instructed. God’s law is God’s word and Jesus is Gods word made flesh, so it is contradictory to have faith in Jesus while not having faith in God’s law.

 

[ChristisGod]

Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:

He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).

 

[Robert Pate]

No, but you apparently believe that we you can please God by disobeying His law and that it it is not contradictory for someone to be righteous while not being a doer of righteous works.

I quoted Psalms 119:30 as saying that he chose the way of faith by setting God’s law before him, so the significance of him obeying it was not that it was part of something that he was required to have done first in order to earn his righteousness as the result, but rather the significance is that he is acting in faith and it is by that faith that God is pleased and that he is righteous.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of having first obeyed it, living in obedience to it through faith in God’s promise of a Savior is the way that he is saving us from not living in obedience to it.

It is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what God has instructed. God’s law is God’s word and Jesus is Gods word made flesh, so it is contradictory to have faith in Jesus while not having faith in God’s law.

You have a serious case of Old Covenant theology that can only be cured by the "Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ". Here is a big dose of Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Christ is the end of the law, because Christ is the fulfillment of the law. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has fulfilled every Jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18. If I were you I would renounce your law keeping religion and trust in Christ alone.

 

[Soyeong]

You have a serious case of Old Covenant theology that can only be cured by the "Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ".

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the “Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Moreover, this means that your interpretation of Romans 10:4 is essentially that Christ ended the “Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ”.

Here is a big dose of Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Christ is the end of the law, because Christ is the fulfillment of the law.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3), which is also why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God’s commandments (Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing it as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obey it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing Jesus as Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending God’s eternal law, but just the opposite.

In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has fulfilled every Jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18.

Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law in our name on our behalf so that we don’t have to, but rather he fulfilled the law so that we would have an example to follow, which we are told to follow (1 Peter 2:21-22). “To fulfill the law” means “to cause God’s will (as made known through the law) to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). After Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5:17-20, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be, which has nothing to do with ending the law, especially because Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he did not come to abolish it. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so against it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that we need Jesus to do in our name on our behalf. In Galatians 6:2, bearing on another’s burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you do not consistently interpret that as saying that we end the Law of Christ by bearing one another’s burdens.

If I were you I would renounce your law keeping religion and trust in Christ alone.

God’s law is God’s word and Christ is God’s word made flesh, so obediently trusting God’s law alone is the way to trust in Christ alone and it is contradictory to think that we should trust in God’s word made flesh, but not in God’s word.

 

[Robert Pate]

No, but you apparently believe that we you can please God by disobeying His law and that it it is not contradictory for someone to be righteous while not being a doer of righteous works.

I quoted Psalms 119:30 as saying that he chose the way of faith by setting God’s law before him, so the significance of him obeying it was not that it was part of something that he was required to have done first in order to earn his righteousness as the result, but rather the significance is that he is acting in faith and it is by that faith that God is pleased and that he is righteous.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of having first obeyed it, living in obedience to it through faith in God’s promise of a Savior is the way that he is saving us from not living in obedience to it.

It is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what God has instructed. God’s law is God’s word and Jesus is Gods word made flesh, so it is contradictory to have faith in Jesus while not having faith in God’s law.

What do you see when you read this? "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

 

[lforrest]

What do you see when you read this? "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Looking at this again I am saddened that God's word has not yet been fulfilled for the only person in history to have successfully followed the commandments.

Deuteronomy 12:28 "Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God."

Deut 8:1 "Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land that the LORD promised on oath to your forefathers."

So Christ deserves victory, children, and a land of his own. And the Father is going to give him victory over his enemies as he was done with death, making them as a footstool. He will have multitude of children, by the Holy Spirit. And he has a promised land of his own, the new Jerusalem.

 

[Soyeong]

What do you see when you read this? "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

I see a verses that is representative of the reality that while the servants of God who wrote the NT can be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, they don't have to be. While the Greek word "telos" can be translated as "end", it doesn't have to be. "Telos" can also be translated as "purpose" or "goal" and there are a number of verses like 1 Timothy 1:5, Romans 6:21-22, and James 5:11 where the context supports that it should be translated that way, though even "end" can refer to the "intention" or "aim" of something rather than to its "termination". So in my last post I made the case from the context for why Romans 10:4 should be translated as "goal" as it is done in a number of translations rather than "end", and if it is translated in that way, then it has a completely different meaning that is speaking in favor of obeying God's law rather than speaking about its termination.

People like to frequently quote Romans 10:4 and Romans 10:9-10, but they just as frequently like to ignore Romans 10:5-8 and the relevance that referencing Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim has on how the surrounding verses should be interpreted. Deuteronomy 30 is the basis for the New Covenant is core to how everything else in the Bible should be understood. Redemption, exile, and the choice between life and death in regard to whether or not to rely on what God has instructed are major themes throughout the Bible.

 

[Robert Pate]

I see a verses that is representative of the reality that while the servants of God who wrote the NT can be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, they don't have to be. While the Greek word "telos" can be translated as "end", it doesn't have to be. "Telos" can also be translated as "purpose" or "goal" and there are a number of verses like 1 Timothy 1:5, Romans 6:21-22, and James 5:11 where the context supports that it should be translated that way, though even "end" can refer to the "intention" or "aim" of something rather than to its "termination". So in my last post I made the case from the context for why Romans 10:4 should be translated as "goal" as it is done in a number of translations rather than "end", and if it is translated in that way, then it has a completely different meaning that is speaking in favor of obeying God's law rather than speaking about its termination.

People like to frequently quote Romans 10:4 and Romans 10:9-10, but they just as frequently like to ignore Romans 10:5-8 and the relevance that referencing Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim has on how the surrounding verses should be interpreted. Deuteronomy 30 is the basis for the New Covenant is core to how everything else in the Bible should be understood. Redemption, exile, and the choice between life and death in regard to whether or not to rely on what God has instructed are major themes throughout the Bible.

So, your doctrine is to change words or delete words that were Chosen by Christ chosen apostles.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are only two ways for a person to believe that they can be saved.

1. Works, laws and religion. 90% believe that this is how a person can be saved.

2. By grace (God's goodness through faith) Christianity. Apart from works, laws and religion.

All that believe that it is by works, laws and religion will oppose that salvation is by grace through faith. and are anti-Christ.

Yet why then do most folks follow the all inclusive delusion .
We really better start warning against that monster cause its love implies foks dont need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and that makes IT OF ANTI CHRIST . HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS ANTI CHRIST
and yet todays inclusive rainbow holding many path celebrating now says
muslims and others are fine as is , that all we need do is love one another , NO NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS as THE CHRIST .
THAT BE OF ANTI CHRIST robert . AND ITS WHY I EXPOSE IT SO OFTEN .

 

[amigo de christo]

Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:

He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).

Correct . and not only for our sins but the sins of the entire world .
BUT and yes THERE IS A HUGE BUT , YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST in order TO BE SAVED .

 

[amigo de christo]

In the beginning GOD had warned adam NOT to eat of a certain tree for in the day He did he would surely die .
Eve got decieved and adam chose his wife over the warning and words of GOD .
Death has come upon all .
NOW there is a commandment . ONE TREE YE MUST EAT OF , for in the day ye eat of it YE shall surely live
and yet today we got the same ol serpent trying to say , NAY ye have no need to eat of that tree , to believe on JESUS CHRIST
ye shall live for GOD is love . That ol serpent never stops doing all to decieve .

 

[amigo de christo]

many chose to eat of the wrong tree , many choose death and not LIFE .
BUT the words of TRUTH shall endure forever . JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
come ye and drink of the waters of that well that giveth everlasting life
and stop drinking from the wells of poluted waters of men who try and sell an inclusive lie .

 

[Soyeong]

So, your doctrine is to change words or delete words that were Chosen by Christ chosen apostles.

No. They used the Greek word "telos" and I said nothing about changing or deleting that word. Rather, I spoke about how that word should be correctly translated into English based on the context of how it is used.

 

[Marvelloustime]

many chose to eat of the wrong tree , many choose death and not LIFE .
BUT the words of TRUTH shall endure forever . JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
come ye and drink of the waters of that well that giveth everlasting life
and stop drinking from the wells of poluted waters of men who try and sell an inclusive lie .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Correct . and not only for our sins but the sins of the entire world .
BUT and yes THERE IS A HUGE BUT , YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST in order TO BE SAVED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yet why then do most folks follow the all inclusive delusion .
We really better start warning against that monster cause its love implies foks dont need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and that makes IT OF ANTI CHRIST . HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS ANTI CHRIST
and yet todays inclusive rainbow holding many path celebrating now says
muslims and others are fine as is , that all we need do is love one another , NO NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS as THE CHRIST .
THAT BE OF ANTI CHRIST robert . AND ITS WHY I EXPOSE IT SO OFTEN .

 

[Robert Pate]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the “Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Moreover, this means that your interpretation of Romans 10:4 is essentially that Christ ended the “Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ”.


In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3), which is also why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God’s commandments (Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing it as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obey it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing Jesus as Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending God’s eternal law, but just the opposite.


Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law in our name on our behalf so that we don’t have to, but rather he fulfilled the law so that we would have an example to follow, which we are told to follow (1 Peter 2:21-22). “To fulfill the law” means “to cause God’s will (as made known through the law) to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). After Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5:17-20, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be, which has nothing to do with ending the law, especially because Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he did not come to abolish it. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so against it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that we need Jesus to do in our name on our behalf. In Galatians 6:2, bearing on another’s burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you do not consistently interpret that as saying that we end the Law of Christ by bearing one another’s burdens.


God’s law is God’s word and Christ is God’s word made flesh, so obediently trusting God’s law alone is the way to trust in Christ alone and it is contradictory to think that we should trust in God’s word made flesh, but not in God’s word.

The scripture does not say "Christ is the goal of the law". If Christ is the end of the law that means that Christ is the fulfillment of the law. I expect that you will be one of the "Lord, Lord, didn't I" people, Matthew 7:21-23.