The Gospel and the Spirit of Anti-Christ.

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Under the New Covenant Christians are taught and led by the Holy Spirit, John 16:13.
That doesn't change the fact that the New. Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, but rather it is in accordance with it. The Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:13), the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and the Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142). Likewise, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin (John 16:8) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20).

My KJV Bible says, "Christ is the END of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.
Do you grant that "end" can mean "intention" or "aim" rather "termination"? Why do you refuse to grant that "telos" can mean either "end" or "goal"?

To be under the law or subject to it is to be under the curse. "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10.
Galatians 3:10 (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

I'm the one arguing in favor of continuing to do all of the things which are written in the book of the law while you are arguing against that, so you are arguing in favor of being curses while I am arguing in favor of being blessed.

Proof that you are under the curse is because you reject salvation by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.
Rather, I am the one who accepts that salvation is by grace through faith while you reject it. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

God's will is that you trust and believe in Jesus Christ for your salvation. Plus nothing.
It is contradictory to think we should trust in God's word made flesh instead of trusting in God's word.
 

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Yesterday’s sermon was akin to this. The math equation presented:

Gospel + anything = nothing

Gospel - anything = nothing.


In other words, as Galatians delves into, the Gospel is an indivisible whole, adding or subtracting to it is NOT the Gospel.

If the Old Covenant taught us anything after 1700 years it is that man cannot meet the divine standard on our own, which means we are eternally trapped in our sins. Enter the Good News.

The Good News, is God found another way for us to be reconciled to him, which is through the atoning sacrifice of his Anointed, aka the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The humble reality is that our salvation is owed to what he did NOT what we did. Indeed, anyone who opposes this is an anti-Christ.

All we have to do is accept the priceless gift.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Likewise, in Romans 15:18-19, Paul's Gospel involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, and Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel. Something that we do on our own does not involve relying on anyone else, so it is contradictory to think that relying on what God has instructed is something that we do on our own.

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work does not contribute anything towards the cost of making that opportunity available to them. In a similar manner, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23). In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us how to experience doing those works is part of the content of His gift of salvation.
 

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That doesn't change the fact that the New. Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, but rather it is in accordance with it. The Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:13), the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and the Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142). Likewise, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin (John 16:8) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20).


Do you grant that "end" can mean "intention" or "aim" rather "termination"? Why do you refuse to grant that "telos" can mean either "end" or "goal"?


Galatians 3:10 (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

I'm the one arguing in favor of continuing to do all of the things which are written in the book of the law while you are arguing against that, so you are arguing in favor of being curses while I am arguing in favor of being blessed.


Rather, I am the one who accepts that salvation is by grace through faith while you reject it. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.


It is contradictory to think we should trust in God's word made flesh instead of trusting in God's word.
Jesus is God's word, John 1:1. The Holy Spirit does not lead us into the law that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The Holy Spirit leads us to Christ who is the end and the fulfillment of the law, Romans 10:4. It appears that you believe that you can do all things that are written in the book of the law, Galatians 3:10. If you were capable of keeping the whole law (which you are not) you would not be here on this earth.

The Mosiac law will damn you to hell. "Because the law works wrath: for where there is no law there is no sin" Romans 4:15.

Paul said to the Galatians, "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster. For we are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ" Galatians 3:24-26.
 

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Jesus is God's word, John 1:1. The Holy Spirit does not lead us into the law that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.
The Holy Spirit leads us to Christ who is the end and the fulfillment of the law, Romans 10:4. It appears that you believe that you can do all things that are written in the book of the law, Galatians 3:10. If you were capable of keeping the whole law (which you are not) you would not be here on this earth.
Again, Ezekiel 36:26-27 says that the Spirt has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so the Mosaic Law will never be abolished, which means that Ephesians 2:15 is not referring to Mosaic Law. The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Mosaic Law. You are taking both Ephesians 2:15 and Romans 10:4 out of context to mean something that is the opposite of what they mean in context and you don't seem to care.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we aren't cable of keeping, and Romans 10:5-10 references that passage as the word of faith that we proclaim, which is the word of faith that you deny. Moreover, there are many examples of people who kept the Mosaic Law, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

The Mosiac law will damn you to hell. "Because the law works wrath: for where there is no law there is no sin" Romans 4:15.
The Mosaic Law works wrath for those who choose not to obey it, not for those who choose life.

Paul said to the Galatians, "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster. For we are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ" Galatians 3:24-26.
In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it teaches us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything he taught and God back to living in sin.
 

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Again, Ezekiel 36:26-27 says that the Spirt has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so the Mosaic Law will never be abolished, which means that Ephesians 2:15 is not referring to Mosaic Law. The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Mosaic Law. You are taking both Ephesians 2:15 and Romans 10:4 out of context to mean something that is the opposite of what they mean in context and you don't seem to care.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we aren't cable of keeping, and Romans 10:5-10 references that passage as the word of faith that we proclaim, which is the word of faith that you deny. Moreover, there are many examples of people who kept the Mosaic Law, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.


The Mosaic Law works wrath for those who choose not to obey it, not for those who choose life.


In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it teaches us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything he taught and God back to living in sin.
You are trying to mix Old Covenant theology with New Covenant theology. They don't mix. If you are living according to Old Covenant law and religion you are under God's wrath, Galatians 3:10. also Romans 4:15.
 

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You are trying to mix Old Covenant theology with New Covenant theology. They don't mix. If you are living according to Old Covenant law and religion you are under God's wrath, Galatians 3:10. also Romans 4:15.
About 1/3 of the verses in the NT contain quotes or allusions to the OT, which the NT authors did thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said and that they hadn't changed their theology. It is not obedience to God's law that brings wrath, but the refusal to obey it. According to Galatians 3:10, the only way to avoid being cursed is by continuing to live in obedience to God's law while refusing to obey it does not cause you to avoid being cursed.
 

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Martin Luther's newfound doctrine of justification by faith was so traumatic for the reformers that they believed that anyone that opposed it was anti-Christ.

There were many Christians that believed the Gospel and justification by faith besides Luther. What made Luther stand out is that he was a Catholic monk. After Luther nailed his thesis to the door of the Catholic church there was a riot. The reformers (Protestants) versus the Catholic church. Thousands of people died. Some Christian scholars believe that the reformation was the wounding of the head of the beast in Revelation 13:3, which they believed represented the Catholic church.

The Catholic church does not believe in Justification by faith apart from the works of the law. They believe that it is the Gospel plus works. Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20. It appears that the Catholic doctrine of works is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ.

After Martin Luther's reformation there was another reformation, Calvinism. Both Luther and Calvin were reformers. One according to the Gospel and justification by faith, the other according to John Calvin. It appears to me that Calvin was jealous of Luther and wanted to start his own movement, called Calvinism. The doctrine of justification by faith without works is supported by scripture. The doctrine of Calvinism is not. There is no scripture that says God predestinates people to heaven or hell. Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ.

It appears to me that any doctrine or religion that does not believe the Gospel and justification by faith is anti-Christ. John said, "Little Children, it is the last time: as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrist; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us" 1 John 2:18-19. Here is the division of Protestants and the Catholics. They went out from us, they were not of us. If you don't believe the Gospel and justification by faith you cannot be a member of John's church because you are antichrist.
There are Christians who believe that group John was talking about were the Gnostics. This is what I know about them...

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.
 

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There are Christians who believe that group John was talking about were the Gnostics. This is what I know about them...

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.
There are hundreds and thousands of false teachings, this is why God gave us a book.
 

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About 1/3 of the verses in the NT contain quotes or allusions to the OT, which the NT authors did thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said and that they hadn't changed their theology. It is not obedience to God's law that brings wrath, but the refusal to obey it. According to Galatians 3:10, the only way to avoid being cursed is by continuing to live in obedience to God's law while refusing to obey it does not cause you to avoid being cursed.
Here is the problem. It is not possible for you to obey the commandments, because you have been born after Adam.
 

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Here is the problem. It is not possible for you to obey the commandments, because you have been born after Adam.
In Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the world of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that is impossible for us to obey, yet that is the word of faith that you are denying. If God gave us a law that were impossible for us to obey, then He would be the one who is at fault for our failure to obey it. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome, so to deny that we can keep God's commandment is to deny that anyone has ever loved God and to deny that His commandments are not burdensome. Moreover, there are many examples of people obeying God's commandments throughout the Bible, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. Jesus said:

Matthew 7:24-27 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

Do you think that Jesus followed the Sermon on the Mount up by saying, "just kidding guys, you can't actually follow the words of mine"? Do you believe that nothing is impossible with God...except obeying Him?
 

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There are hundreds and thousands of false teachings, this is why God gave us a book.
The problem with the book is there's now 80 different translations. So even folks on here have used a Bible that says the exact opposite of what my Bible says for the same verse. They then call their Bible God's Word and what I believe they call my opinion.
 

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The problem with the book is there's now 80 different translations. So even folks on here have used a Bible that says the exact opposite of what my Bible says for the same verse. They then call their Bible God's Word and what I believe they call my opinion.
There is enough in the book to tell us that we are sinners and Jesus is the savior. If you want a good translation buy a copy of the KJV.
 

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There is enough in the book to tell us that we are sinners and Jesus is the savior. If you want a good translation buy a copy of the KJV.
King James Version...

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
 

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King James Version...

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
If you are a Christian and are in Christ, it is not possible for you to sin. So, why are you so concerned about sin? Where there is no law there is no sin, Romans 4:15.
 

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If you are a Christian and are in Christ, it is not possible for you to sin. So, why are you so concerned about sin? Where there is no law there is no sin, Romans 4:15.
We are taught "to be in the spirit" means to walk upright in our flesh or to have our flesh in fellowship with God. So we read right over the many verses such as Peter and John were filled with the spirit. Or "that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. Romans talks about no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. Christians everywhere do not seem to understand the words "in him" or "in Christ" or "filled with the spirit." We can't see ourselves walking by the spirit because we are taught that the operations of the spirit are things we operate through our flesh. They are not the manifestations of you. They are of the spirit. We are also taught that we are sinners and this is another reason why we can't see the spirit as long as we see ourselves as a piece of trash. To see it we have to see ourselves as the righteousness of God in him.
 

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We are taught "to be in the spirit" means to walk upright in our flesh or to have our flesh in fellowship with God. So we read right over the many verses such as Peter and John were filled with the spirit. Or "that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. Romans talks about no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. Christians everywhere do not seem to understand the words "in him" or "in Christ" or "filled with the spirit." We can't see ourselves walking by the spirit because we are taught that the operations of the spirit are things we operate through our flesh. They are not the manifestations of you. They are of the spirit. We are also taught that we are sinners and this is another reason why we can't see the spirit as long as we see ourselves as a piece of trash. To see it we have to see ourselves as the righteousness of God in him.
We are sinners because God's law demands perfection, and we don't have it to offer.

To walk in the Spirit is to be "In Christ". In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed and now stand before God as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.
 

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We are sinners because God's law demands perfection, and we don't have it to offer.

To walk in the Spirit is to be "In Christ". In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed and now stand before God as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.
I wrote this last night because I fear hardly anyone understands what the words "in Christ" or "in him" means. It's not the same as Christ in you. I wrote...

I no longer try to get God or Jesus Christ to work with me or to get close to me. I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
 

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I wrote this last night because I fear hardly anyone understands what the words "in Christ" or "in him" means. It's not the same as Christ in you. I wrote...

I no longer try to get God or Jesus Christ to work with me or to get close to me. I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
Paul is the one that taught that we are sinners, Romans 7:7-25. To be in Christ is to believe the Gospel. In the Gospel we are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. God sees us as perfect and complete in Christ. Now, act like it.
 

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Paul is the one that taught that we are sinners, Romans 7:7-25. To be in Christ is to believe the Gospel. In the Gospel we are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. God sees us as perfect and complete in Christ. Now, act like it.
I disagree.

I believe God gave us a new nature when we are born again and that this is what the apostle Paul taught. Then where did this idea come from that we are still sinners by nature, and that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual, but still alive to sin whereby we must with much effort, frustration, and failure be in a battle with our sin nature the rest of our lives? Who taught us that it's not the spirit that has become our new nature, but that after we received Christ within, we still have the old sin nature left as we live the rest of our lives trying to restrain it? If the apostle Paul taught that we do experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ, and that it’s dead and gone and therefore we are dead to sin? Then where did this idea come from that we are still alive to sin? Could it have come from these guys...

The concept of the original sin was first alluded to in the second century by Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) who was working for the Catholics and not for the apostle Paul. Some two hundred years later another church father who went by the name of Augustine, (Bishop of Hippo) whose writings shaped and developed the doctrine of sin as he considered that humanity shared in Adam's sin. Augustine's formulation of the original sin after the year of 412 was popular among protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated the original sin with a hurtful desire meaning that it persisted even after baptism and therefore completely destroyed the freedom to do good. At first Augustine, said that free will was weakened, but not destroyed by the original sin. But after the year of 412 this concept changed to a loss of free will except to sin, and it's this Augustine's concept that influenced the development of the western church and western philosophy and indirectly all of western Christianity.

25.) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The flesh was under the Law.

1.) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No more flesh... Hello!!!

2.) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

No more Law of sin and death. Can you see he has now stopped talking about Israel?

3.) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The Law was weak through the flesh.

4.) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Bingo.

9.) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...
 

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I disagree.

I believe God gave us a new nature when we are born again and that this is what the apostle Paul taught. Then where did this idea come from that we are still sinners by nature, and that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual, but still alive to sin whereby we must with much effort, frustration, and failure be in a battle with our sin nature the rest of our lives? Who taught us that it's not the spirit that has become our new nature, but that after we received Christ within, we still have the old sin nature left as we live the rest of our lives trying to restrain it? If the apostle Paul taught that we do experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ, and that it’s dead and gone and therefore we are dead to sin? Then where did this idea come from that we are still alive to sin? Could it have come from these guys...

The concept of the original sin was first alluded to in the second century by Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) who was working for the Catholics and not for the apostle Paul. Some two hundred years later another church father who went by the name of Augustine, (Bishop of Hippo) whose writings shaped and developed the doctrine of sin as he considered that humanity shared in Adam's sin. Augustine's formulation of the original sin after the year of 412 was popular among protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated the original sin with a hurtful desire meaning that it persisted even after baptism and therefore completely destroyed the freedom to do good. At first Augustine, said that free will was weakened, but not destroyed by the original sin. But after the year of 412 this concept changed to a loss of free will except to sin, and it's this Augustine's concept that influenced the development of the western church and western philosophy and indirectly all of western Christianity.


25.) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The flesh was under the Law.

1.) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
No more flesh... Hello!!!

2.) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
No more Law of sin and death. Can you see he has now stopped talking about Israel?

3.) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The Law was weak through the flesh.

4.) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Bingo.

9.) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...
What you believe is holiness theology. That is that man in his flesh can overcome sin, death and the devil. If that were true, who needs Jesus Christ. As Long as we are in these Adamic bodies we will sin. We have not been totally sanctified yet. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the redemption of our bodies" Romans 8:23. We have not arrived yet.