The Gospel of Grace:

[brother dave]

Hi brother dave,

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.



I am interested to know how you read v 21. These are the words of Christ. (We are Christians.) Yet the opinion has been expressed during this discussion that because Jesus was speaking during the era of the Mosaic law, His words do not apply to Christians.

This means, therefore, that a Christian does not need to worry about knowing the will of our Father in heaven, or doing it.

Is this your understanding also?



A forum is necessarily limited to our words. That's why one of the ways we can recognise each other - apart from the witness of the Holy Spirit - is through the 'conversation' of our lives as expressed through our words.

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.


Is our speech always 'with grace'?



'Salt' is not sarcasm, mockery, or play-acting (hypocrisy); it is truth, light, life - and the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law.


Heb 4:12, 13, and I don't mean by that, quoting scripture. I mean, the words that cause the other person to discern difference.

as usual you load me down with many questions! so i will start with your first. verse 21 let us look at the Fathers Commandments? as John laid them out in SIMPLICITY!
Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
this is only complex because you make it that way by your own efforts!

does His words apply to Christians? i believe every Word that came from His good lips! i would not trade one of His "VERILYS" for this whole world! but just like me and axehead was discussing the other day? the point of the rich young ruler being commanded to give it all away was not to say we all must sell everthing to follow the Lord? but to show the young man that he indeed was breaking the first commandment! covetiousness is idolatry! that was the point your friend had missed until i showed him! so i say every word He spoke is mine to be blessed by and not cursed! For He came to save and not condemn!

and my speech is full of grace to the humble! and salt to those in pride as His words were to the vipers of His day! and Pauls to the foolish and bewithced! who wanted to go back into law! rebuke belongs to those in such error as you and your friends! who attempt to overturn the faith of others by teaching works and self-justification! you deserve much worse!

 

[Axehead]

as usual you load me down with many questions! so i will start with your first. verse 21 let us look at the Fathers Commandments? as John laid them out in SIMPLICITY!
Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
this is only complex because you make it that way by your own efforts!

does His words apply to Christians? i believe every Word that came from His good lips! i would not trade one of His "VERILYS" for this whole world! but just like me and axehead was discussing the other day? the point of the rich young ruler being commanded to give it all away was not to say we all must sell everthing to follow the Lord? but to show the young man that he indeed was breaking the first commandment! covetiousness is idolatry! that was the point your friend had missed until i showed him! so i say every word He spoke is mine to be blessed by and not cursed! For He came to save and not condemn!

I did not actually miss that point, dave, I was bringing out something else about that story.

There is a cost to following Jesus.

Of course today's evangelism would say, "Hey, this Rich Young Ruler is famous and he would be a great convert (trophy) for our church and he could really bless the kingdom of God (give us a load of money).

But Jesus is always interested in the heart and His interest in our hearts does not stop at Salvation. There is a walk of sanctification and I have never heard you agree with any of us that there is a walk of holiness and righteousness in the Lord (of course by His grace it is only possible). Why do you think Jesus was giving John messages for the 7 Churches in Revelation. He wasn't slapping them on the back and flattering them, was He?

Axehead

 

[brother dave]

I did not actually miss that point, dave, I was bringing out something else about that story.

There is a cost to following Jesus.

Of course today's evangelism would say, "Hey, this Rich Young Ruler is famous and he would be a great convert (trophy) for our church and he could really bless the kingdom of God (give us a load of money).

But Jesus is always interested in the heart and His interest in our hearts does not stop at Salvation. There is a walk of sanctification and I have never heard you agree with any of us that there is a walk of holiness and righteousness in the Lord (of course by His grace it is only possible). Why do you think Jesus was giving John messages for the 7 Churches in Revelation. He wasn't slapping them on the back and flattering them, was He?

Axehead

you know i dont disagree with you all about the sorry condition of the church! to me its clear the reason for the condition is not because of the gospel of grace! but because law has been taught for almost 2000 years now! and the solution is NOT more law! but MORE TRUE GRACE! the power over sin!
and your doctrines of holiness? if it is not based upon grace? its just religion!

 

[dragonfly]

and the solution is NOT more law! but MORE TRUE GRACE! the power over sin!

We understand that. Where did you get the idea that there was a promotion of 'more law' going on here?

It's a relief to know that your 'gospel of grace' doesn't relegate the words of Jesus Christ to the Mosaic Law, as dead and of no relevance to Christians because now we're 'not under law but grace'. But some believers excuse themselves from the claims of Jesus Christ by that very way.

(I asked you, in the hope of finding some common ground with you, and thankfully, I have.)

Surely (rhetorical) you can see that a Christian who does not expect to produce good fruit (as in Matt 7, John 15) because they believe it doesn't apply to them because Jesus taught it, does not 'believe' the same 'gospel of grace' as you do?

It's to resist that kind of teaching that this thread continues.

this is only complex because you make it that way by your own efforts!

Brother, have you thought of counting the number of question marks you've used in this thread?

And you complain about my many questions?

And then say I'm making it complex, when I answer? :huh:


Seriously, if you don't want to have to think about the answers, then just join the discussion by listening first, and when you know what's going on, post your own thoughts on it.


But don't ask questions if you don't want answers.... please!

 

[brother dave]

who are you guys going to unsave today? i was thinking that you all should take a good look at Peter? because he denied the Lord three times! and the Lord Himself said if you deny me before man i will deny you before My Father! so their, is one you guys can condemn! this doctrine of yours that condemns Abraham? and anyone else that dont agree with your wicked attempt to overthow the faith of others! a first year bible student has more understanding than to cast doubt on Abraham! i wonder is this the ministry of righteousness? or condemnation? to minister means to serve out of to give! sounds like all you guys minister is death and condemnation!
hang on John they are coming after you next!

AND AGAIN? ACCORDING TO YOU ALLS DOCTRINE, IS ABRAHAM SAVED, OR JUSTIFIED?
ANYONE OF YOU CARE TO ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION?

 

[haz]

Hi dragonfly,

I noticed your recent replies to brother dave and would like to remind you (and Axehead) that your biased criticisms in this debate are still being maintained. I’ve mentioned this before regarding your overlooking Epi’s confrontational style whilst criticizing those on the other side of the fence. Now it’s accusations of not answering questions, and speaking without grace, (which all here can be guilty of at times). Maybe it’s time we all took a breath.

I referred to that link you posted of Kidron’s topic on “how to understand you sin…’ and could not find any posts of yours. Were you perhaps meaning a different topic? Also, a reminder that I’m not following a lot of topics as I don’t have the time. It is likely that I have not read all your posts in other topics.

You suggested I should have a testimony like Episkopos and see Epi as my brother. This is hardly a persuasive argument especially considering the gospel of works Epi has pushed here. Besides, Epi does not see many here as his brothers other than the likes of you, Axehead and Co.

Epi has demonstrated no spiritual understanding. Others here have described his gospel as an ‘on-again-off-again salvation’, ‘complicated’ and ‘obfuscation’, etc. It’s hard to imagine any sincere Christian would present themselves in such a manner when supposedly sharing ‘the gospel’. I suspect he does this deliberately, probably to try to deceive others here with a gospel of works.

Anyway, below are some quotes taken from posts made by Epi. I couldn’t find all the quotes I hoped for but I don’t have the time to be searching any further. I spent too long looking for them yesterday ignoring my back exercises. Also consider the quotes I posted earlier.

TOPIC: True Repentance Epi #18 You have made yourself a child of God by what you believe……….. Here if we measure delusion by the pound...it is far easier to justify yourself through a belief than through a work.

TOPIC: Are Christians sinners #23 The power of the gospel makes one walk exactly as Jesus did on earth. No difference. As Jesus IS so are WE in this world. So the victory over sin is not one of God turning a blind eye to our antics in the flesh...NO!!!...... So rather than lowering the standard to make more people walk in...we are to uphold the standard of God (even to our own hurt) and look to Him for the needed empowerment to fulfill the law. The law is holy. Only the holy ones in Christ will fulfill it.

#38 Believing in Jesus without the power to walk as Jesus is pointless in regards eternity.

#82 You are not a follower of Christ unless you are walking by His Spirit. Otherwise you are just claiming a belief in a scheme you have invented from a few bible verses.

#87 I (Epi) do not ALWAYS walk in the Spirit.

#90 But the soul that sins...it shall die.

Epi admits he still sins at times, hence his claim that he does not always walk in the Spirit. We see also Epi describes the law as holy and spiritual, just as described in Rom 7:12,14 of the 10 commandments. And remember that Epi said we are not immune to any law.

As for that question regarding what if professing Christian died whilst in disobedience…?
We see scripture differently and therefore see disobedience differently. A professing Christian in disobedience is one who is not believing God’s promise of salvation in Christ. For example some profess to know Christ yet by their works (of the law) they deny him. I see the likes of Epi following this path.

You questioned if I had never heard of the doctrine of perfect obedience to the law in this physical life. I have heard of a similar doctrine to yours. It was from the Seventh Day Adventists.

 

[brother dave]

We understand that. Where did you get the idea that there was a promotion of 'more law' going on here?

It's a relief to know that your 'gospel of grace' doesn't relegate the words of Jesus Christ to the Mosaic Law, as dead and of no relevance to Christians because now we're 'not under law but grace'. But some believers excuse themselves from the claims of Jesus Christ by that very way.

(I asked you, in the hope of finding some common ground with you, and thankfully, I have.)

Surely (rhetorical) you can see that a Christian who does not expect to produce good fruit (as in Matt 7, John 15) because they believe it doesn't apply to them because Jesus taught it, does not 'believe' the same 'gospel of grace' as you do?

It's to resist that kind of teaching that this thread continues.



Brother, have you thought of counting the number of question marks you've used in this thread?

And you complain about my many questions?

And then say I'm making it complex, when I answer? :huh:


Seriously, if you don't want to have to think about the answers, then just join the discussion by listening first, and when you know what's going on, post your own thoughts on it.


But don't ask questions if you don't want answers.... please!

see you can use a little grace in your speech? and by the way i hit that question mark because i have never been more confused about what some believe? i answered several of your questions last post. now can you answer a couple for me? is Abraham saved and jusified? if so? he was of course justified before any law was given? apart from the law as paul would say. he had no works of law, nothing but his faith and action of his faith? right? so if i have his faith, am i not also justified apart from any works but those of faith? please answer without telling me about some post somewhere or what some people believe.

 

[Episkopos]

see you can use a little grace in your speech? and by the way i hit that question mark because i have never been more confused about what some believe? i answered several of your questions last post. now can you answer a couple for me? is Abraham saved and jusified? if so? he was of course justified before any law was given? apart from the law as paul would say. he had no works of law, nothing but his faith and action of his faith? right? so if i have his faith, am i not also justified apart from any works but those of faith? please answer without telling me about some post somewhere or what some people believe.

Are you asking Dragonfly to justify you? Are you asking her to accept the justification you claim for yourself? Please respond?

 

[brother dave]

Are you asking Dragonfly to justify you? Are you asking her to accept the justification you claim for yourself? Please respond?

well you can answer too! dont worry ,you can still be the center of attention !
everybody is listening, go ahead!

 

[Episkopos]

well you can answer too! dont worry ,you can still be the center of attention !
everybody is listening, go ahead!

OK..here's the news...you cannot justify yourself and I cannot justify you either..but I'm sure you will find others here who you can exchange justifications with!

 

[brother dave]

OK..here's the news...you cannot justify yourself and I cannot justify you either..but I'm sure you will find others here who you can exchange justifications with!

see the difference in me and you, is you think i look to man? as you do! the Spirit of God is the only witness i ever want or need. i am forever justified by His Blood. forever i will live with Him in His love for me. He is my righteousness, my holiness my redeemer! there is none like Him, none so beautiful! none so kind! He is the Author and Finisher of my faith! the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end! the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world! He is the Great I Am! oh yes i do rest in Him! glory glory glory bless His name glory glory
thank you Lord for your goodness!
Lord you are good and your mercy endureth forever! and i will trust in you!

blessed is he man in whom the Lord will not impute sin!

see the difference in me and you, is you think i look to man? as you do! the Spirit of God is the only witness i ever want or need. i am forever justified by His Blood. forever i will live with Him in His love for me. He is my righteousness, my holiness my redeemer! there is none like Him, none so beautiful! none so kind! He is the Author and Finisher of my faith! the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end! the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world! He is the Great I Am! oh yes i do rest in Him! glory glory glory bless His name glory glory
thank you Lord for your goodness!
Lord you are good and your mercy endureth forever! and i will trust in you!

blessed is he man in whom the Lord will not impute sin!

i am white and i am clean! i am pure and holy, in Him! not one sin against me! forever justified! i will live forever with Him! forever! man!

 

[Episkopos]

I did not actually miss that point, dave, I was bringing out something else about that story.

There is a cost to following Jesus.

Of course today's evangelism would say, "Hey, this Rich Young Ruler is famous and he would be a great convert (trophy) for our church and he could really bless the kingdom of God (give us a load of money).

But Jesus is always interested in the heart and His interest in our hearts does not stop at Salvation. There is a walk of sanctification and I have never heard you agree with any of us that there is a walk of holiness and righteousness in the Lord (of course by His grace it is only possible). Why do you think Jesus was giving John messages for the 7 Churches in Revelation. He wasn't slapping them on the back and flattering them, was He?

Axehead

Good post!

Exploiting Jesus for a personal benefit and following Him as a slave of righteouness do seem to differ somewhat in application!!!

 

[brother dave]

Good post!

Exploiting Jesus for a personal benefit and following Him as a slave of righteouness do seem to differ somewhat in application!!!

yes He came that i might have life and have it in abundance! and all the promises of God in Him is yes and amen! and all things are given freely to me! and He has empowered all grace to abound towards me that i will have all suffenciency in all things! and how will He not with Him freely give me all things! yes i get alot of personal benifit and i am a slave of His love!
your a little sassy tonight ? are you ok?
did you not get to unsave anyone today?
what does your name in greek mean anyway? great cranky one?

for those who dont understand the'' old ways'', written of in sripture.they Are the paths of mercy and truth! grace was from the beginning Gods first intention for man. Abraham was under no law and was before the law! grace is the true way of Abraham and these same paths are opened for all who will believe and trust in the work of Christ! may all of you know His love for you!

 

[haz]

Hi haz,

Heb 8:10, - Rom 3:27, - Rom 6:22, - Rom 8:2 - - - - Rom 8:4,

James 2:8, - John 14:15, 16, 17, 18, - John 15:12, - 1 John 5:3.


Now, two questions for you.

Does 'keeping' these 'laws', strike you as 'works'? Please answer.

Or, is 'keeping' them the natural outworking of Rom 12:1 - 3? Please answer.

The first thing to say is that Christians don't (or shouldn't) fear death itself, because it should have no power over us any more if we have been walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. Heb 2:15 Christians tend to shy away from your question, though, because who can know what has gone on between a man and God by the Spirit, in his dying moments? God knows with perfect precision what attitude a person's heart is holding, and whether there is anything He can hold against them. Not that He is trying to, but His justice is perfect too, and He has appropriate 'rewards' lined up for both good, and evil.

However, Ezekiel 18:24 comes to mind, as does the first part of Ezekiel 9, Romans 2, and Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment. While you're reading the Bible, you can gather how seriously God takes unrepented sin and, and that's why a Christian is held to a much higher standard - because spiritually he normally dwells in that other realm, with God, knowing Him, communicating by the Holy Spirit. John 17:3.

What do you think is the answer to your last question? Please answer.

Hi dragonfly,

You asked if those laws you listed are works?

Our 'works' are to believe on Jesus (John 6:29). We see that the law of faith, the law of Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is all based on these works. Even the commandments we keep, as described in 1John 3:23 (believing on Jesus and love one another), confirm a Christain's obedience to God.

Jesus said we should forgive 7x70.
But your doctrine suggests that God is not as forgiving as He asks us to be. This is contrary to the God described in scripture.
Your doctrine demands perfect obedience in lifestyle/behavior, as no mercy/forgiveness is given if we fail.
Your doctrine puts the criminal on the cross in the most favourable position in that he believed on Jesus on his death bed and was saved without any lifestyle proofs of perfection. BUT, those who live on after turning to Christ must, according to your doctrine, display a continual perfect lifestyle for their remaining years of life or else death/condemnation is the result.

You said "who can know what has gone on between a man and God by the Spirit, in his dying moments? God knows with perfect precision what attitude a person's heart is holding, and whether there is anything He can hold against them"

Here your doctrine shows you don't know if someone's lifestyle has been perfect enough to pass God's justice. If that were true then the criminal on the cross was truly blessed to believe on Jesus on his death bed rather than before.

Death/condemnation was the result of transgressing the law of sin and death. The gospel you suggest likewise is about death/condemnation.

Where we do have some common ground though is that only God can make the changes in us for the better. Many here opposed to your doctrine can testify of their growth in Christ. Their lifestyle has improved and is still improving as they mature in Christ.

We also share common ground in that many here also recognize that often churches offer little to nothing for spiritual growth.

 

[brother dave]

Hi dragonfly,

You asked if those laws you listed are works?

Our 'works' are to believe on Jesus (John 6:29). We see that the law of faith, the law of Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is all based on these works. Even the commandments we keep, as described in 1John 3:23 (believing on Jesus and love one another), confirm a Christain's obedience to God.

Jesus said we should forgive 7x70.
But your doctrine suggests that God is not as forgiving as He asks us to be. This is contrary to the God described in scripture.
Your doctrine demands perfect obedience in lifestyle/behavior, as no mercy/forgiveness is given if we fail.
Your doctrine puts the criminal on the cross in the most favourable position in that he believed on Jesus on his death bed and was saved without any lifestyle proofs of perfection. BUT, those who live on after turning to Christ must, according to your doctrine, display a continual perfect lifestyle for their remaining years of life or else death/condemnation is the result.

You said "who can know what has gone on between a man and God by the Spirit, in his dying moments? God knows with perfect precision what attitude a person's heart is holding, and whether there is anything He can hold against them"

Here your doctrine shows you don't know if someone's lifestyle has been perfect enough to pass God's justice. If that were true then the criminal on the cross was truly blessed to believe on Jesus on his death bed rather than before.

Death/condemnation was the result of transgressing the law of sin and death. The gospel you suggest likewise is about death/condemnation.

Where we do have some common ground though is that only God can make the changes in us for the better. Many here opposed to your doctrine can testify of their growth in Christ. Their lifestyle has improved and is still improving as they mature in Christ.

We also share common ground in that many here also recognize that often churches offer little to nothing for spiritual growth.

I Just dont think they have ever known His loved for them?" being rooted and grounded in love you may comprehend". if you were like me ? at certain points in understanding of the gospel, one must ask why is He so good to us? and if one cannot believe that God is love, and all His motives are from love? you will never comprehend to true gospel. and i wonder why they take no stand on issues of doctrine? other than just to disagree. many fasle groups use these tactics ,i see at work here. they believe in there ability to lie or mislead to justify the weakness of there doctrines. the 7th groups are some of the best , at embracing grace at the level of conversation, then rejecting it completly in doctrine and works. but yet i like a couple of these and they seem too honest to stay in bondage much longer if we suffer with them in doctrine.

I have looked for common ground on which to build some agreement with those in error. and having just read several books by A.W. Tozer, i was glad when one of those in error made mention of his teachings. I hope if he is acceptable in doctrine to some that we might use some of his teachings as a common point of thought?
here is his understanding of HOLINESS: what does the word holiness really mean? is it is not a negative kind of piety that causes many to withdraw? no! God forbid! it is a positive quality which includes kindness, mercy,purity, moral blamlessness and godliness. it should always be thought of in positive terms.
A holy man can be trusted. a holy man can be tested.People who try to live by a negitive standard of piety, a formula that has been copyrighted by other humans, will find their piety does not stand up in times of true testing!
those who hold true holiness, hold it apart from any fear of its failure in the test.
The word holiness as originally used in Hebrew did not have at first the moral connotation. The origional root of the word holy was of something beyond,something strange and wonderful,awe-inspiring. when we consider true holiness of God we talk about something heavenly, and awareness that something from heaven has come to rest upon men-that is holiness -A.W.TOZER


what i see being taught by most is not a holiness of fellowship with heaven, but something very earthly! a slave of creation as Cain was! and hate for us who like Able offer the only acceptable holiness back to the Father. His Son! the Lamb slain before the world was!

 

[haz]

The word holiness as originally used in Hebrew did not have at first the moral connotation. The origional root of the word holy was of something beyond,something strange and wonderful,awe-inspiring. when we consider true holiness of God we talk about something heavenly, and awareness that something from heaven has come to rest upon men-that is holiness -A.W.TOZER

what i see being taught by most is not a holiness of fellowship with heaven, but something very earthly! a slave of creation as Cain was! and hate for us who like Able offer the only acceptable holiness back to the Father. His Son! the Lamb slain before the world was!

Amen !

If the firstfruit (Christ) is holy, the lump (believers) is also holy, Rom 11:16

 

[Episkopos]

Is this thread in Cuba yet???

well you can answer too! dont worry ,you can still be the center of attention !
everybody is listening, go ahead!

"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert H. Humphrey

 

[brother dave]

Amen !

If the firstfruit (Christ) is holy, the lump (believers) is also holy, Rom 11:16

bro Haz, good to see the Lord is raising up those to defend His Grace. i see you have been taught well by our good Teacher!
hope we can clear the air here? in a few days and help each other in our search to know Him!

1Jn 3:11

For this is the message which ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another:

1Jn 3:12

not as Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

i dont think that all understand what He was saying when He said "i came not to condemn the world but to save", and He told His own disciples that wanted to condemn and destroy, "You know not the spirit you are of".
I see and have in my own walk at times looked to condemn. Many that claim His name and spirit walk in a condemning spirit, that is not His! They really believe that to be a christian is to go about finding fault in others? They seem to take special pleasure in the sin of the weak! always seeking who they may send to hell! there only joy seems to be in the religious appearance they present to others? Bitter in their own condemned hearts they seek to bring all others to there low level.
When the Lord said "He came to give life" He meant it! When He said He loved the weak, He meant it! HE is the same, always seeking to save that which is lost! His plan to save every man who will believe is called the gospel of His grace. He has empowered me and others to minister His righteousness to all who believe His word. and that same truth, washes away from the heart the hatred and bitterness of this world. for we are saved and sanctified by the truth.

Rom 2:4

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Rom 2:5

but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
repent and be saved from your hard heart! for judgment will be without mercy for those who have shown no mercy!

 

[whitestone]

are you afraid? just answer the simple question? in your ignorant doctrine, is Abraham saved? what is so hard about giving a strait answer to that question?

here we have a doctrine where Abraham is not saved? or is he? or maybe ? or i dont know? or i dont want to guess? you are a teacher?? and cant even answer that?
i bet even a muslim in there vile nature could answer that!

Hi, anybody, is there a way to put the vile and disgusting people here on ignore?

 

[brother dave]

Hi, anybody, is there a way to put the vile and disgusting people here on ignore?

maybe you want a chance to answer? and if you cant take and defend a doctrine that attempts to overturn others faith! i promise you will not like me! nor my sharp rebuke! can you talk scripture? or just how your feelings get hurt ,somtimes ,when the big boys dont let you play?

you guys are amazing in your hypocricy! you defend ones actions? and try to condemn another? you stack guilt upon all you meet and corrupt the Word of God! and get your feelings hurt ? when someone confronts you? i dont play nice christian with'' the accuser of the brethren''! i defend the brothers with a sharp two-edged sword that cuts to your unbelieving heart!

And i have a great idea! you guys go to another post? i will stay here and you dont mess with this gospel and you will never hear from me again! that way none of you guys get your feelings hurt anymore!