From Dave:
very good! and you seem to be the only one,in your group, that answers to God in conscience!
You have no way of judging that, just like no one can judge your conscience. It is plain to all, however that your words are very abrasive and abusive.
I hope my confidence in you will be rewarded? these are easy questions for those who claim power over the flesh? its seems very odd that those who continue to boast in there spiritual walk, could not give a quick answer to such simple questions?
First of all, please don't try to flatter me. I am not moved by flatter. It usually is a ploy to gain someone's confidence so that they can be taken advantage of. Which you did in your next post, below where you slam me for asking the same thing of you that you asked of me. No, I don't need you to tell me what "walking in the Spirit" is all about. As far as my "group", I can recognize in someone's consistent posts whether they know the things of the Spirit or not. I have not recognized this with you. I have sensed a different spirit.
gee? axehead? you guys seem to use these terms,to advance some unclear doctrine!
If you read my posts in all the threads I have been in (and especially this one), my doctrine is clear. And in this very long thread on the "Gospel of Grace" you should have picked up by now what we are talking about. You have been too busy thinking about how to slam others, apparently because what they say does not agree with your lifestyle.
you refuse to lay out in any honest way what you believe?
You may be able to read, but apparently you cannot understand or will not. Other people have jumped in and seem to understand easily what is being talked about.
You and your friends use these terms over and over and have no clue what they really mean!
You mean, you don't understand. Please get it right. We use these words because we DO UNDERSTAND them.
I think i would like to have you or any of your so-called "bible teacher" friends, answer? before you repeat back to me, what i teach to you!
I have no problem with that at all. If you knew what the "flesh" was and what "walking in the Spirit" was all about, then somewhere in these 18 pages of this thread you would have conveyed that to us by now, but you did not so I can only assume you don' t know. So, you rant and rave at that which you do not understand.
i have been gentle with you guys, and have sought to find common ground on issues.
No you have not, on both counts.
You have not been gentle and you have not sought to find common ground. You use the Word of God like a sledge hammer on brothers but it doesn't work.
If i find you guys are not just ignorant believers? but are a group that seeks to cause harm to Gods people? You and your friends will be looking for a new forum! a place were i am not! for i will at every post declare your evil to all! so please! if you have any sincere faith? its time now to make that known!
Just like you have made known your sincere faith?
I had some hope you were going to stop ranting and start to engage in civil, kind conversation, but I was wrong. I think you are ending this conversation before it really gets off the ground because I don't take too kindly to intimidation and threats and your constant display of an abusive spirit of anger is not something I am going to subject myself to. I recommend the same thing for others. Your attitude is just not conducive to a give and take conversation and. I don't think anyone is going anywhere. We like it here and some moderators have even agreed with us.
2Pe 2:5 and spared not the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a preacher of righteousness, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
I thought you had a problem with Preachers of Righteousness.
2 Pe 2:6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly;
Amen to Peter saying that if we live ungodly we will be destroyed.
You seem to have a habit of ignoring scriptures that complete how we are to walk.
Read the rest of 2 Peter. I mean, take your time and read it and pray over it.
2Pe 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 2:10
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness...
2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be
taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; (CEASE FROM SIN) beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:
for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Did you see 2 Peter 2:14? Peter expects people to cease from sin. You don't have a problem with Peter but you do with the preachers of righteousness and holiness in this thread.
I would be more than happy to engage you again in conversation if you change your attitude and show me that you are willing to listen to the
WHOLE COUNSEL of GOD and not just select verses that justify your abuse of others. Selected verses will only give you a form of godliness.
In the meantime,
Axehead