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brightfame52

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No you didn't. All that you said is "Jesus saves sinners". I want you to tell me how Jesus saves sinners.
Thats right Jesus saves sinners, the key word is saves, not as the false gospel you have proclaimed, not mentioning that He saves sinners, you say he made saving available.

You started the thread, and you haven't told anyone how Christ saves sinners.
 

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Thats right Jesus saves sinners, the key word is saves, not as the false gospel you have proclaimed, not mentioning that He saves sinners, you say he made saving available.

You started the thread, and you haven't told anyone how Christ saves sinners.
Jesus saves sinners by doing for sinners that which they cannot do for themselves. He justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. However, nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12. I don't think that you have received what God has done for you in Jesus Christ.
 

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pate said

Jesus saves sinners by doing for sinners that which they cannot do for themselves. He justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

I agree with this, the ones, sinners Christ died for are both reconciled to God and Justified.

. However, nothing is ours until it is received by faith,

This is false. Faith has nothing to do with those being reconciled to God and Justified before God by the death burial, and resurrection of Christ, that's a legal application has been made.

So you denied the Gospel Truth

To say nothing is yours until you do something isnt Gospel, but law works !
 

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pate said



I agree with this, the ones, sinners Christ died for are both reconciled to God and Justified.



This is false. Faith has nothing to do with those being reconciled to God and Justified before God by the death burial, and resurrection of Christ, that's a legal application has been made.

So you denied the Gospel Truth

To say nothing is yours until you do something isnt Gospel, but law works !
No doubt about it, you are a Calvinist. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 and Acts 4:4. They heard, they believed, and they were saved. Just like Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel, Romans 10:17. You need to renounce your Calvinist doctrine and trust in Christ alone.
 

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No doubt about it, you are a Calvinist. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 and Acts 4:4. They heard, they believed, and they were saved. Just like Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel, Romans 10:17. You need to renounce your Calvinist doctrine and trust in Christ alone.
They were saved by the death of Christ and the power of the Spirit before they believed in Acts 2, do you deny that ?
 

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They were saved by the death of Christ and the power of the Spirit before they believed in Acts 2, do you deny that ?
Salvation had been made available to them by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ before they heard Peter's Gospel. When they heard what God had done for them in Jesus Christ and they believed it was then that they received the Holy Spirit. It was the Gospel that gave birth to the New Testament church.
 

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Salvation had been made available to them by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ before they heard Peter's Gospel. When they heard what God had done for them in Jesus Christ and they believed it was then that they received the Holy Spirit. It was the Gospel that gave birth to the New Testament church.
Salvation being made available is a false gospel, the Gospel proclaims Jesus Christ saved His People from their sins. If you believe Jesus death merely made salvation available, then you in unbelief, because Jesus death saved them He died for, and His Resurrection causes them to be born again 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
 

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Salvation being made available is a false gospel, the Gospel proclaims Jesus Christ saved His People from their sins. If you believe Jesus death merely made salvation available, then you in unbelief, because Jesus death saved them He died for, and His Resurrection causes them to be born again 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. People are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, Ephesians 1:13.

Your Calvinist God will cause you to go to hell.
 

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Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. People are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, Ephesians 1:13.

Your Calvinist God will cause you to go to hell.
What Gospel do they hear ? That Christ makes Salvation available ? Notice you never say anything about Christ saving people by His Person and Work.
 

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What Gospel do they hear ? That Christ makes Salvation available ? Notice you never say anything about Christ saving people by His Person and Work.
They hear that, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness" Romans 10:4.

They hear that, Jesus atoned for their sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

You don't seem to hear that. Your Calvinist God has blinded you to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 

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They hear that, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness" Romans 10:4.

They hear that, Jesus atoned for their sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

You don't seem to hear that. Your Calvinist God has blinded you to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Do you say that what Christ did and accomplished Rom 10:4 ; 1 Jn 2:2 saved them He did it for ? Or do you teach the false gospel those things merely made salvation possible or available ?
 

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Do you say that what Christ did and accomplished Rom 10:4 ; 1 Jn 2:2 saved them He did it for ? Or do you teach the false gospel those things merely made salvation possible or available ?
God is the great provider. He sends his Son Jesus Christ into the world to provide salvation for everyone, John 3:16. But he does not impose salvation on anyone, instead he offers it to everyone as a free gift, Ephesians 2:8. A free gift can either be received or it can be rejected. What are you going to do with it?
 

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God is the great provider. He sends his Son Jesus Christ into the world to provide salvation for everyone, John 3:16. But he does not impose salvation on anyone, instead he offers it to everyone as a free gift, Ephesians 2:8. A free gift can either be received or it can be rejected. What are you going to do with it?
So you dont preach that Christ by His Death saved anyone, how is that Gospel. You teach christ provided salvation, thats it ? Thats a false gospel