"The heavens and the earth" were "created"--"WITHOUT FORM."

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(Just thinking about the beginning) I think God felt the pain of the Devil's accusations, even before He created the Devil. I think God was hurt, that anyone would accuse Him of not creating something perfectly.

This is just speculation, but the Bible does say both "that He called that which was not as though it was" and "that the just shall live by faith" - well, so, what was the faith that was not, which God was yet 'just' on the basis of?
 

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After 2,000 years of Christian teaching and belief--so much is still not understood.

And yet many, if not all, seem unwilling to hear the end of the matter, as if everything everyone believed or now believes is correct, and willing to fight unto the death. I started a thread (DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?) about the coming of "all truth" as promise by God but was foretold not to come until just before the end of time. With the idea that with all that is written regarding the great apostacy and false doctrines foretold to be a reality of our times. But it would appear that we need to go back to "the beginning."

Let's see:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters (Genesis 1:1-2).

What it says--what is written, is that "God created the heavens and the earth"--and "the earth was without form." Hence, the title of this thread. But who has ever taken the words at face value, as they are plainly written? Anyone?

Is "the earth without form?" --Do you believe what you are reading of the word of God--or, are you like the rest of us who just assumed that the earth was without form before creation--instead of the way it is written and declared from the beginning?

And that was just the first two verses of God's word. Is anyone ready to believe it even as stated and move on to "all truth?"

This is the time--"that time" foretold, but are you ready...or even willing?
Wow.... Jesus only spoke two lines on this subject... Why do you feel the need to speak more?

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he (God) who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

Mar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God (My Father) created until now, and never will be.


What's your point that Jesus did not already make clear?
 

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Wow.... Jesus only spoke two lines on this subject... Why do you feel the need to speak more?

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he (God) who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

Mar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God (My Father) created until now, and never will be.


What's your point that Jesus did not already make clear?
I have explained already, that Genesis 1:1-2 have not been read, looked at, or considered the way it actually reads.

But the reason for bringing it up now, and why Jesus did not say more 2,000 years ago, is because there are specific revelations that are written as being sealed until just before the end--until now.
 

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After 2,000 years of Christian teaching and belief--so much is still not understood.

And yet many, if not all, seem unwilling to hear the end of the matter, as if everything everyone believed or now believes is correct, and willing to fight unto the death. I started a thread (DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?) about the coming of "all truth" as promise by God but was foretold not to come until just before the end of time. With the idea that with all that is written regarding the great apostacy and false doctrines foretold to be a reality of our times. But it would appear that we need to go back to "the beginning."

Let's see:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters (Genesis 1:1-2).

What it says--what is written, is that "God created the heavens and the earth"--and "the earth was without form." Hence, the title of this thread. But who has ever taken the words at face value, as they are plainly written? Anyone?

Is "the earth without form?" --Do you believe what you are reading of the word of God--or, are you like the rest of us who just assumed that the earth was without form before creation--instead of the way it is written and declared from the beginning?

And that was just the first two verses of God's word. Is anyone ready to believe it even as stated and move on to "all truth?"

This is the time--"that time" foretold, but are you ready...or even willing?
“The earth was Without form” makes me think of when God’s Spirit moves over the darkness of the earthen vessel, that which was born first, of Adam. However that which was first is earthen.

Big question is what happened that the earthern vessel became broken down, void and without form where the potter is willing and able to help that which is marred , to make a New Vessel with form and not empty for “in Him will put My Spirit” “I am from above, you are from beneath. I am that bread from heaven”—you also being built up together for the place, for a habitation of God.

in that which is weak, so that the power be of God and not of man to make bring forth the New vessel unto Holiness having the form of God which is Spirit and “profitable” unto all things, as being poor but making many rich, as owning nothing but possessing all things: that you be not barren nor unfruitful. (which fruits of the Spirit of God—the Spirit of the Son sent into your hearts crying Abba Father) that you neither barren nor unfruitful—neither void nor empty.

But still …how did it become unprofitable and broken down, and empty? Jeremiah 4:21-30 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet? [22] For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. [23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. [27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. [28] For this shall the earth mourn(what is “for this”? You mourn and the earth does rejoice, but your mourning will be turned to joy) and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. [29] The whole city will flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city will be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein. [30] And when you are spoiled(you take joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing you have a better house made without hands), what will you do? Though you clothe yourself with crimson(the old man) , though you deck yourself with ornaments of gold(the old man) , though you rent your face with painting, in vain will you make yourself fair; your lovers will despise you, they will seek your life.

Which means something came before “pride, vanity, arrogance goes before destruction?) that and left it void and without form. (Yet do we call that which is empty and void, an idol without breath in it—made in the form of God?”

Good news though!! I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man…Great news! Best News ever! The Revelation of Jesus Christ! Revelation 5:4-5 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders said unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
 
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(Just thinking about the beginning) I think God felt the pain of the Devil's accusations, even before He created the Devil. I think God was hurt, that anyone would accuse Him of not creating something perfectly.
The devil is the "accuser of the brethren."

The idea here is like a courtroom. There's the accused (people), the Judge (God), the prosecuting attorney (the devil), and the defense (Jesus). The prosecuting attorney doesn't accuse the Judge. He accuses us!
 
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“The earth was Without form” makes me think of when God’s Spirit moves over the darkness of the earthen vessel, that which was born first, of Adam. However that which was first is earthen.

Big question is what happened that the earthern vessel became broken down, void and without form where the potter is willing and able to help that which is marred , to make a New Vessel with form and not empty for “in Him will put My Spirit” “I am from above, you are from beneath. I am that bread from heaven”—you also being built up together for the place, for a habitation of God.

in that which is weak, so that the power be of God and not of man to make bring forth the New vessel unto Holiness having the form of God which is Spirit and “profitable” unto all things, as being poor but making many rich, as owning nothing but possessing all things: that you be not barren nor unfruitful. (which fruits of the Spirit of God—the Spirit of the Son sent into your hearts crying Abba Father) that you neither barren nor unfruitful—neither void nor empty.

But still …how did it become unprofitable and broken down, and empty? Jeremiah 4:21-30 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet? [22] For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. [23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. [27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. [28] For this shall the earth mourn(what is “for this”? You mourn and the earth does rejoice, but your mourning will be turned to joy) and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. [29] The whole city will flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city will be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein. [30] And when you are spoiled(you take joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing you have a better house made without hands), what will you do? Though you clothe yourself with crimson(the old man) , though you deck yourself with ornaments of gold(the old man) , though you rent your face with painting, in vain will you make yourself fair; your lovers will despise you, they will seek your life.

Which means something came before “pride, vanity, arrogance goes before destruction?) that and left it void and without form. (Yet do we call that which is empty and void, an idol without breath in it—made in the form of God?”

Good news though!! I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man…Great news! Best News ever! The Revelation of Jesus Christ! Revelation 5:4-5 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders said unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
It did not become "broken down, void and without form", but was without form at first before man was created.
 
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It did not become "broken down, void and without form", but was without form at first before man was created.
is it a place or a person broken down, void, and without form? How could it be before man, if it is a man?
 
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Genesis 1:2 And the earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep

without form, and void. This means "not finished in its shape and, as yet, uninhabited by creatures" (cf. Isa_45:18-19; Jer_4:23). The Hebrew expression signifies a wasteland, a desolate place. The earth was an empty place of utter desolation, existing in a formless, barren state, shrouded in darkness and water or mist of some sort. It suggests that the very shape of the earth was unfinished and empty. The raw material was all there, but it had not yet been given form. God would quickly (in six days) decorate His initial creation (Gen_2-2:3).

deep. Sometimes referred to as primordial waters, this is the term used to describe the earth's water-covered surface before the dry land emerged (Gen_1:9-10). The earth's surface was a vast ocean—a global, primordial sea that covered the entire planet. Water, so vital to the nourishment of the life that was to come, was already earth's most prominent feature. Jonah used this word to describe the watery abyss in which he found himself submerged (Jon_2:5).

One technical note of importance is that in the Hebrew text every verse in the first chapter of Genesis (except Ge 1:1) begins with the conjunction “And” (Hebrew waw) which clearly links each statement sequentially and chronologically. And so it is notable that the KJV accurately begins each verse with "And" (see Genesis 1 in KJV here), while many of the other versions do not (NAS, NET, NLT, NIV). Of the modern versions, the ESV begins many (but not all) verses with "and." As an aside this

The earth was formless (tohu) and void (bohu) (Hebrew transliterated = tohu wabohu) and darkness (choshek) was over the surface (face, presence) of the deep - On Day One there are three conditions - (1) formless (empty), (2) void (waste place), and (3) darkness.

Hebrew scholar Umberto Cassuto on tohu and bohu - As for the earth, it was tōhū and bōhū, that is to say, the unformed material from which the earth was to be fashioned was at the beginning of its creation in a state of tōhū and bōhū, to wit, water above and solid matter beneath, and the whole a chaotic mass, without order or life. (A Commentary on the Book of Genesis)

In Jeremiah 4:23 we find the identical Hebrew phrase (tohu wabohu) Jeremiah declaring "I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light." The prophet is using Genesis 1:2 language to describe his beloved nation of Judah suffering devastation from the Gentile conqueror. The Judah is a wasted, devastated place that has lost its former beauty and is "without form." So while the use in Jeremiah helps give us some sense of what Genesis 1:2 is describing, the contexts of Jeremiah is the result of judgment, while in Genesis 1:2 the context is God's preparation for creation in Genesis 1:3ff.
The context of formless (tohu) points to the "formlessness" of the earth in contrast to the creative order God will create in Ge 1:3-26. Some have incorrectly translated tohu as "chaos" or "confusion," but Yahweh is a God of order, not a God of confusion. The idea is that it was a waste place (of course not like waste in a garbage dump) and there was as yet no life. The English definition of waste is a place, region, or land that is uninhabited or uncultivated, which would be a good picture of the creation at this time for it was almost like a blank canvas as God the consummate Artist was about to begin "painting" His glorious, majestic masterpiece!

MacArthur puts it simply "the earth was unfinished as to its shape and unpopulated. The material was there. There was time and there was space and there was matter, but it was unformed and unpopulated. The original created elements mentioned in verse 1, time, in the beginning; the heavens, matter … or the heavens space; and the earth matter. God created them, God spoke them into existence but yet they were undifferentiated, unseparated, unorganized and uninhabited. God had not yet shaped them and God had not populated the cosmos. So you have the raw materials mentioned in verse 1 … time, space, matter. They are described, first of all, as unfinished as to shape and unpopulated as to inhabitant."
 

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Remember the Jesus walked apon the water's. for he is the Holy Spirit. and remember the one who when he looked away from Jesus (Salvation it's self) he failed ?
So only by the Power of Salvation can we be worthy of God !
As once one takes your eyes off Christ Jesus, and thinks that Grace comes from ones self, you can not walk the waters ? deviod of the Holy Spirit !
 

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The context of formless (tohu) points to the "formlessness" of the earth in contrast to the creative order God will create in Ge 1:3-26. Some have incorrectly translated tohu as "chaos" or "confusion," but Yahweh is a God of order, not a God of confusion.
That's the point - God triumphs over chaos.
 

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is it a place or a person broken down, void, and without form? How could it be before man, if it is a man?
If you yourself have a vision of a place, a world-- what is it? It is a vision, or rather in the case of mankind and the universe made of the same elements--as it is written, mankind is made an "image."

The point of God stating first that the heavens and the earth were without form and void (before He created man), is to be upfront and honest or truthful about the fact that the world and man in it, are not the "space, time, matter" reality that it would appear to be if He did not first clarify. Once we understand just what the world is (and is not), only then can we go on to understand God's greater purpose of creation. In fact, it takes the rest of the entire Bible to reveal all of what is true, and even then, the words are only discerned spiritually In addition, God revealed bits and pieces of the greater truth "line upon line, here a little there a little" to His servants the prophets, who added their part as given. Which continues throughout the ages until the times are fulfilled.
 

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Genesis 1:2 And the earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep

without form, and void. This means "not finished in its shape and, as yet, uninhabited by creatures" (cf. Isa_45:18-19; Jer_4:23). The Hebrew expression signifies a wasteland, a desolate place. The earth was an empty place of utter desolation, existing in a formless, barren state, shrouded in darkness and water or mist of some sort. It suggests that the very shape of the earth was unfinished and empty. The raw material was all there, but it had not yet been given form. God would quickly (in six days) decorate His initial creation (Gen_2-2:3).

deep. Sometimes referred to as primordial waters, this is the term used to describe the earth's water-covered surface before the dry land emerged (Gen_1:9-10). The earth's surface was a vast ocean—a global, primordial sea that covered the entire planet. Water, so vital to the nourishment of the life that was to come, was already earth's most prominent feature. Jonah used this word to describe the watery abyss in which he found himself submerged (Jon_2:5).



The earth was formless (tohu) and void (bohu) (Hebrew transliterated = tohu wabohu) and darkness (choshek) was over the surface (face, presence) of the deep - On Day One there are three conditions - (1) formless (empty), (2) void (waste place), and (3) darkness.

Hebrew scholar Umberto Cassuto on tohu and bohu - As for the earth, it was tōhū and bōhū, that is to say, the unformed material from which the earth was to be fashioned was at the beginning of its creation in a state of tōhū and bōhū, to wit, water above and solid matter beneath, and the whole a chaotic mass, without order or life. (A Commentary on the Book of Genesis)


The context of formless (tohu) points to the "formlessness" of the earth in contrast to the creative order God will create in Ge 1:3-26. Some have incorrectly translated tohu as "chaos" or "confusion," but Yahweh is a God of order, not a God of confusion. The idea is that it was a waste place (of course not like waste in a garbage dump) and there was as yet no life. The English definition of waste is a place, region, or land that is uninhabited or uncultivated, which would be a good picture of the creation at this time for it was almost like a blank canvas as God the consummate Artist was about to begin "painting" His glorious, majestic masterpiece!

MacArthur puts it simply "the earth was unfinished as to its shape and unpopulated. The material was there. There was time and there was space and there was matter, but it was unformed and unpopulated. The original created elements mentioned in verse 1, time, in the beginning; the heavens, matter … or the heavens space; and the earth matter. God created them, God spoke them into existence but yet they were undifferentiated, unseparated, unorganized and uninhabited. God had not yet shaped them and God had not populated the cosmos. So you have the raw materials mentioned in verse 1 … time, space, matter. They are described, first of all, as unfinished as to shape and unpopulated as to inhabitant."
That is a good explanation of what learned men have come to believe, and yet it does not touch upon the full glory of God whom is spirit. And no, God is not a god of chaos but of order. Even so, He did "confuse" all language at Babel, wherein men labor and study mostly to fail in their efforts to understand what is only discerned spiritually.

But I don't mean to make you and opponent--or this a competition, but rather to quickly get to what is actually true and has been misunderstood for so long. That is the purpose of this thread: To take a simple and honest look at the error of understanding that quite literally begins at the beginning. If we can take that one little passage at face value, perhaps we can be honest about the countless assumptions that are made with the rest of scripture. So, please, don't be offended--for the point is that we all have need to confess that only God is true "but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). First.

Then perhaps, we can begin again.
 

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That is a good explanation of what learned men have come to believe, and yet it does not touch upon the full glory of God whom is spirit. And no, God is not a god of chaos but of order. Even so, He did "confuse" all language at Babel, wherein men labor and study mostly to fail in their efforts to understand what is only discerned spiritually.

But I don't mean to make you and opponent--or this a competition, but rather to quickly get to what is actually true and has been misunderstood for so long. That is the purpose of this thread: To take a simple and honest look at the error of understanding that quite literally begins at the beginning. If we can take that one little passage at face value, perhaps we can be honest about the countless assumptions that are made with the rest of scripture. So, please, don't be offended--for the point is that we all have need to confess that only God is true "but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). First.

Then perhaps, we can begin again.
I am in no way offended.

Whatis your understanding of the verse?

Do you interpret it literally?

If not, what is your interpretation?
 

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God is not a god of chaos but of order. Even so, He did "confuse" all language at Babel, wherein men labor and study mostly to fail in their efforts to understand what is only discerned spiritually.
Related historical/archaeological stuff:

The earliest form of writing was cuneiform, and the whole Middle East learned it - Sumer, Babel, Egypt, the Hittites, etc. However, cuneiform wasn't a phonetic language - the glyphs didn't correspond to sounds. As a result, while the whole region shared a written language, they all pronounced their words completely differently.

I think, when the whole world came together to build at Babel, that they found out that they didn't speak the same language after all.
 

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"The heavens and the earth" were "created"--"WITHOUT FORM."​


God CREATED….and IMMEDIATELY…MADE His Creations….GOOD. (Alive, Functional).

ManKIND became “Corrupt”.

God…IN His own Wisdom, By His Own Word, Power, Authority, Grace…has Offer manKIND an ORDER (according to Gods MANNER)…a WAY Through God, (FREEWILL OPTION), To Accept, Have, Possess, ONCE and Forever, Gods
“Restoration…soul in man.
Renewing…….body of man.
ReMAKING”….spirit in man.


Glory to God,
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The context of formless (tohu) points to the "formlessness" of the earth in contrast to the creative order God will create in Ge 1:3-26. Some have incorrectly translated tohu as "chaos" or "confusion," but Yahweh is a God of order, not a God of confusion. The idea is that it was a waste place (of course not like waste in a garbage dump) and there was as yet no life. The English definition of waste is a place, region, or land that is uninhabited or uncultivated, which would be a good picture of the creation at this time for it was almost like a blank canvas as God the consummate Artist was about to begin "painting" His glorious, majestic masterpiece!
You said, “The idea is that it was a waste place (of course not like waste in a garbage dump) and there was yet no life.”

What of all the references to dung or the dung heap? You said “A waste place, a land not inhabited or cultivated, which would be a good picture of the creation at this time for it was almost like a blank canvas as God the consummate Artist was about to begin “painting” His glorious, majestic masterpiece.”

My husband is an artist and from watching him paint, a lot of thought goes into it before the first stroke on a blank canvas. There is a message to tell, where exceptional art is left up to the interpretation on discussing what was in the mind of the artist when he painted it?


“…which would be a good picture of the creation at this time for it was almost like a blank canvas as God the consummate Artist was about to begin “painting” His glorious, majestic masterpiece.”
His glorious, majestic masterpiece is the Revelation of Gods redemptive Plan and Power.

What was in the Mind of God when He put that first stroke on a blank canvas? “Let there be Light”. To me it’s not about land, dirt or buildings being wasted. But people. Same as it’s not about the purple robes and scarlet or gold cups and all the adornments of the building, curtains and it is not even about the building itself…but the people inside the building; which are the topic of what is to be restored.

Isaiah 58:12 And they that will be of You will build the old waste places: You will raise up the foundations of many generations; and You will be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

God is with those of a contrite spirit, those of a broken heart. He is with the lowly in spirit. We may say we have never been broken down, nor wasted as the disciples complained regarding the precious oil used by the woman was wasted, as it could have been sold to feed the poor. But not as the spirit the world gives you unto the bondage of death. God gives unto you the Spirit not unto bondage of death, but the spirit unto Life. Proverbs says let a rich man rejoice in that he is brought down low(broken down). And let a poor man rejoice in that he is lifted up, (raised up) . The above (isaiah 58:12) regarding those of Christ will rebuild the old waste places… and Christ will raise up the foundations of many generations.
^what are those
“Old waste places” Christ will raise up?

THE Spirit of God is not given for your destruction, but for your edification. To build up—Ephesians 4:16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
 
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I am in no way offended.

Whatis your understanding of the verse?

Do you interpret it literally?

If not, what is your interpretation?
I have to be careful stating things as if they are my own interpretation. That is not my practice, but rather to speak the things I am obligated to speak by His sending, which is to say: let Him interpret and speak.

In the case of "The earth was without form, and void" (Genesis 1:2) passage, "literally" works fine. As for what it means, it means the created heavens and earth are not the "space, time, matter" would-be reality that it is assumed to be from this worldly perspective. Which then is even answered in the following verses, describing what even science would define as the cause of matter as light and energy, which is God and the power of God. Continuing on, the focus then switches to the details wherein mankind is made of the same elements--and here is the key commonly overlooked when the focus becomes personal being about us--where God defines the elements, not as solid, but as "image." Then, in contrast, He refers to the sky and heavens (the firmament) as "firm" instead. Completely backwards from what is commonly assumed.

In other words, being centered on our own selves, we have thought more of our own make up than we have of that which is above. And likewise the assumptions continue throughout the scriptures in many similar errors.
 

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Related historical/archaeological stuff:

The earliest form of writing was cuneiform, and the whole Middle East learned it - Sumer, Babel, Egypt, the Hittites, etc. However, cuneiform wasn't a phonetic language - the glyphs didn't correspond to sounds. As a result, while the whole region shared a written language, they all pronounced their words completely differently.

I think, when the whole world came together to build at Babel, that they found out that they didn't speak the same language after all.
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Either way, God has seen to the confusion of all language of all the earth.
 

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I have to be careful stating things as if they are my own interpretation. That is not my practice, but rather to speak the things I am obligated to speak by His sending, which is to say: let Him interpret and speak.

In the case of "The earth was without form, and void" (Genesis 1:2) passage, "literally" works fine. As for what it means, it means the created heavens and earth are not the "space, time, matter" would-be reality that it is assumed to be from this worldly perspective. Which then is even answered in the following verses, describing what even science would define as the cause of matter as light and energy, which is God and the power of God. Continuing on, the focus then switches to the details wherein mankind is made of the same elements--and here is the key commonly overlooked when the focus becomes personal being about us--where God defines the elements, not as solid, but as "image." Then, in contrast, He refers to the sky and heavens (the firmament) as "firm" instead. Completely backwards from what is commonly assumed.

In other words, being centered on our own selves, we have thought more of our own make up than we have of that which is above. And likewise the assumptions continue throughout the scriptures in many similar errors.
Thanks for your belief.