The Israelites and the Law
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Ok…Soyeong…you seem to have “forgotten” something’s here…one…Israel and the Jewish people comprising the Judaism that you speak of…as a whole according to the record “did not learn and obey His teaching” as you seem to be suggesting.
Two…Yahshua their Messiah and Savoir came to introduce to them to His promise for them which is a “New Spiritual Kingdom”…not continue nor revive the “temporal and transitory” kingdom of Israel….which is why they rejected Him. He brought His eternal Spirit Kingdom of Heaven with Him…as He promised them…Israel rejected Him and His Spirit Kingdom.
The separation between the two is eternal and undeniable…that is unless at the reading of the old covenant, the veil that is removed…”only”…for those “in Christ” remains unlifted. God’s covenant with Abraham is completed in Christ…not Israel.
Christ is eternal…no beginning no ending…the natural nation Israel…in being “created” has a beginning…in Jacob…and it has an ending in Christ…who fulfilled in Himself…as are all that was created. The covenantal agreement between God and Abraham was for A) Israel and for B) the revealing of the Spirit bore “Son of God” the Lord Yahshua Christ. An agreement made centuries prior to the “Mosaic covenant” at Sinai…which by the way changed nothing about the Abrahamic covenant.
In Christ all the Law and prophets is fulfilled…of course…He…Christ…is the perfect picture…it is seen through His obedience to the Law and Prophets…for all that God had desired to bestow upon Israel…in the Law and Prophets…in an attempt to reveal “Himself” to them as Father. God knew they could not obey the Law and that they would not believe the prophets…He knew it.
The Law and Prophets then…with its subsequent symbolic sacrifices…were to show to Israel and the world…God’s mercy and love to and for them…Israel. Promising to Abraham and Israel…to bring “Him”…who would one day…be the final and perfect sacrificial Lamb of God. He was to be and was slain for their sin…Israel should have known and been prepared for this.
In this…expressing His great love for them in Himself…which sacrifice was none other than their God Himself…robed in flesh and clothed in glory of the Father. Lo and behold…it was to these very ones…His beloved…to which He had come…this very nation…His people.
They rejected His blood sacrifice as the Lamb of God for the atonement of theirs and humanities sin. They failed catastrophically…could not have committed a worse sin…the sin of rejecting the one and only atonement for all sin...they no longer had an acceptable to God blood sacrifice. He…their God…Yahshua laid them to waste in complete desolation as their judgment…similar to what He did to this same nation in the wilderness years prior.
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Does the religion of the Jews of Israel deny that Jesus is the Christ who is come in the flesh?
Jesus is the God of those who confess that He is the Christ who has come in the flesh.
The religion of the Jews of Israel denies it.
How utterly evasive! Are you Israel? Why are you FILLED with hatred for Israel?
Reddsta
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To Keras and Soyeong and any other law keepers out there...
Appending to my previous post....
For a simple example of the separation [flesh vs. Spirit] He brought forth…consider this…the Lord Himself said…”among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist!” Why? The Lord “highly esteemed” John the Baptist who was born of a woman a reference to…”flesh and blood”…as a Prophet in the spirit of Elijah no less…of the kingdom Israel.
In chapter 3 of Matthew, the Son of Man was buried by the prophet…John the Baptist, functioning in the role of a Levitical priest...then raised as the Son of God. The role of the priest was to examine the sacrifice, under the Law of Moses, and John was a fully qualified Levitical priest. In fact, he was not just a qualified Levitical priest, he was Mr. Super Clean. He had taken a vow of a Nazarite: he did not drink alcohol, he did not cut his hair, he did not shave his beard. As external as holiness could be modeled, John was that, and by character, He was uncompromising.
Then Yahshua goes on the say…”Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” Here now is a bold example of the separation between the “earthly kingdom of Israel” and the “spiritual Kingdom of God” that has now come into earth…in Christ.
The Lord spares no expense in putting His approval upon John saying that there is none born of the “woman or flesh and blood of Israel” that was any greater that John. However He then says…that the one who is “least” in the Kingdom of Heaven is “greater” than John…[Elijah]. Why is that?
At that point...John is a “son of man.” Hence the reference to “woman or flesh and blood” that which cannot inherit the new Kingdom of God on earth.
Here is where the veil is lifted in Christ…for those in whom it is lifted…because the one in the Kingdom of Heaven…the Kingdom of God…on earth…is born of the “Holy Spirit”…the seed of God…not of man…not the flesh and blood…but of the living God…thus he is a “son of God.”
When Jesus was on the Mount of Transfiguration, there appeared together with Him, Moses and Elijah…Moses representing the Law, Elijah representing the Prophets.
Moses was taken away, representing the law finding its fulfillment in Christ, and Elijah was taken away, representing all the prophecies concerning Christ being fulfilled in Christ; and Christ stood alone, unrivaled in all of His glory.
That is who Israel as a whole rejected…This God King from Israel upgraded all that Israel ever stood for…through His resurrection from the dead. Thus opening the door to eternal life for those in Christ…the very one Israel rejected. It is because of that that there was now no offering for sin available to unbelieving Israel.
You’re right about one thing here Soyeong…”Jesus did not come to start his own religion following a different God.” He came to fulfill the “original intention” of God the Father (Genesis 1:26) to bring forth a spiritual son from the earth…the son is Christ…with Yahshua as its Head and those in Christ as His Body.
Israel was chosen for the purpose of brining the “Head” into creation as a man from their lineage…which they did...then they failed to worship Him as their God…the result...Judaism is now the practice of worshiping a false god due to the rejection of the one true God…the Lord Yahshua Christ…the Son of the living God.
For those who don’t see this…you are yet covered by the veil that was torn in two.
Tatwo…
Appending to my previous post....
For a simple example of the separation [flesh vs. Spirit] He brought forth…consider this…the Lord Himself said…”among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist!” Why? The Lord “highly esteemed” John the Baptist who was born of a woman a reference to…”flesh and blood”…as a Prophet in the spirit of Elijah no less…of the kingdom Israel.
In chapter 3 of Matthew, the Son of Man was buried by the prophet…John the Baptist, functioning in the role of a Levitical priest...then raised as the Son of God. The role of the priest was to examine the sacrifice, under the Law of Moses, and John was a fully qualified Levitical priest. In fact, he was not just a qualified Levitical priest, he was Mr. Super Clean. He had taken a vow of a Nazarite: he did not drink alcohol, he did not cut his hair, he did not shave his beard. As external as holiness could be modeled, John was that, and by character, He was uncompromising.
Then Yahshua goes on the say…”Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” Here now is a bold example of the separation between the “earthly kingdom of Israel” and the “spiritual Kingdom of God” that has now come into earth…in Christ.
The Lord spares no expense in putting His approval upon John saying that there is none born of the “woman or flesh and blood of Israel” that was any greater that John. However He then says…that the one who is “least” in the Kingdom of Heaven is “greater” than John…[Elijah]. Why is that?
At that point...John is a “son of man.” Hence the reference to “woman or flesh and blood” that which cannot inherit the new Kingdom of God on earth.
Here is where the veil is lifted in Christ…for those in whom it is lifted…because the one in the Kingdom of Heaven…the Kingdom of God…on earth…is born of the “Holy Spirit”…the seed of God…not of man…not the flesh and blood…but of the living God…thus he is a “son of God.”
When Jesus was on the Mount of Transfiguration, there appeared together with Him, Moses and Elijah…Moses representing the Law, Elijah representing the Prophets.
Moses was taken away, representing the law finding its fulfillment in Christ, and Elijah was taken away, representing all the prophecies concerning Christ being fulfilled in Christ; and Christ stood alone, unrivaled in all of His glory.
That is who Israel as a whole rejected…This God King from Israel upgraded all that Israel ever stood for…through His resurrection from the dead. Thus opening the door to eternal life for those in Christ…the very one Israel rejected. It is because of that that there was now no offering for sin available to unbelieving Israel.
You’re right about one thing here Soyeong…”Jesus did not come to start his own religion following a different God.” He came to fulfill the “original intention” of God the Father (Genesis 1:26) to bring forth a spiritual son from the earth…the son is Christ…with Yahshua as its Head and those in Christ as His Body.
Israel was chosen for the purpose of brining the “Head” into creation as a man from their lineage…which they did...then they failed to worship Him as their God…the result...Judaism is now the practice of worshiping a false god due to the rejection of the one true God…the Lord Yahshua Christ…the Son of the living God.
For those who don’t see this…you are yet covered by the veil that was torn in two.
Tatwo…
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I'm filled with hatred for a religion that denies that Jesus is the Christ who has come in the flesh.
Don't you hate such a religion?
I love Jesus, the God of Israel!
Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,
Does Jesus love the religion of Israel that denies that He is the Christ who has come in the flesh?
The New Covenant calls Jesus the God of Israel. That's a real problem for Israel wannabees.
Does the New Covenant call Jesus the God of the religion of Israel which denies that He is the Christ who has come in the flesh?
No, it calls Him the God of Israel. Are you Israel or just a wannabee?
Matthew 15:31
31 So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
You're absolutely right. He is not the God of an Israel that denies that His Son is the Christ who has come in the flesh.
I just quoted it to you. Jesus is called the God of Israel in the NT even after they rejected Him! And He's gonna FIGHT for Israel even after they rejected Him! Why aren't you in Israel? Oh that's right, you're too busy attacking Israel.
John declares that those who reject Him are antichrists.
So you're claiming that Jesus fights for antichrists?
He sure can and He doesn't have to ask your permission. And besides, you don't know Israel is antichrists. You're just spewing HATRED!
That's quite some "Christianity" you've got there.
John was the NT author who described antichrists.
Where did John say that Christ fights for antichrists?
Book, chapter, verse; please.
Where does it say God has to ask your permission about anything?That's quite some "Christianity" you've got there.
John was the NT author who described antichrists.
Where did John say that Christ fights for antichrists?
Book, chapter, verse; please.
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