The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

[Davy]

Even Larkin admits it.

You're starting to sound like that old record again, noise without saying anything.

 

[farouk]

One doesn't have to be a Jesuit to make a distinction between Israel and the church in Scripture, between the aspect of the Lord's coming that relates to the coming of the Lord Jesus for his church (John 14; 1 Thessalonians 4) and the aspect that relates to His coming in power and judgment.

 

[Dave L]

You're starting to sound like that old record again, noise without saying anything.

If Larkin says it, that's good enough for me.

 

[Davy]

One doesn't have to be a Jesuit to make a distinction between Israel and the church in Scripture, between the aspect of the Lord's coming that relates to the coming of the Lord Jesus for his church (John 14; 1 Thessalonians 4) and the aspect that relates to His coming in power and judgment.

A statement without... Biblical proof. Beau coup number of times those kind of statements are made here on forums like this.

 

[Davy]

If Larkin says it, that's good enough for me.

Refer to his charts then, maybe you'll believe them too.

 

[Dave L]

Refer to his charts then, maybe you'll believe them too.

He was terribly confused and his charts prove it. Amillenialism has only one second coming, not three.

 

[Davy]

He was terribly confused and his charts prove it. Amillenialism has only one second coming, not three.

The 1st century Church fathers not associated with the Alexandria school, were Premillennialists.

Amillennialism came from the Gnotics in the Alexandria school, like Origen and Clement. They were subjected to Neo-Platonism.

 

[Dave L]

The 1st century Church fathers not associated with the Alexandria school, were Premillennialists.

Amillennialism came from the Gnotics in the Alexandria school, like Origen and Clement. They were subjected to Neo-Platonism.

Amillennialism is the official position of the Nicene creed. "and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end."

 

[farouk]

A statement without... Biblical proof. Beau coup number of times those kind of statements are made here on forums like this.

Look at those passages, Sir. Where do you see the power and glory and judgment aspects of the Lord's coming in those passages? which very evident in other passages in both the Old and New Testaments.

 

[farouk]

Amillennialism is the official position of the Nicene creed. "and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end."

Oh so those who believe in the Trinity as Biblical have supposedly got to reject the dispensational distinctions?

 

[CoreIssue]

Even Larkin admits it.

Does not change the reality that the Jesuits did not invent pre-tribulation rapture.

 

[Dave L]

Oh so those who believe in the Trinity as Biblical have supposedly got to reject the dispensational distinctions?

Amillennialism is the backbone of Christian eschatology.

 

[Dave L]

Does not change the reality that the Jesuits did not invent pre-tribulation rapture.

Margaret MacDonald did while hallucinating from a serious fever when she was 14. The Dispies lapped it up.

 

[Davy]

Amillennialism is the official position of the Nicene creed. "and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end."

1st century Church fathers were Premillennialists.

The heretic Marcion was one of the earliest fathers of Amillennialism.

 

[Dave L]

1st century Church fathers were Premillennialists.

The heretic Marcion was one of the earliest fathers of Amillennialism.

Amillennialism is creedal where it counts. The rest isn't.

 

[Davy]

Those who associate hallucinators like Margaret McDonald with the 1st century Church fathers like Irenaeus and Hippolytus who both held to a Pre-millennial return of Jesus, are like the old Pharisees who seek to hide the Truth.

 

[CoreIssue]

 

[Dave L]

Those who associate hallucinators like Margaret McDonald with the 1st century Church fathers like Irenaeus and Hippolytus who both held to a Pre-millennial return of Jesus, are like the old Pharisees who seek to hide the Truth.

Pre trib Rapture = Margaret; futurism = Irenaeus and Hippolytus

 

[Davy]

Look at those passages, Sir. Where do you see the power and glory and judgment aspects of the Lord's coming in those passages? which very evident in other passages in both the Old and New Testaments.

What, the John 14 and 1 Thess.4 chapters you quoted? Nothing in them about a Pre-trib Rapture.

The "mansions" in The Father's house that our Lord Jesus spoke of are abodes, and they are in the future Ezekiel temple, which of course is on earth in the holy land per Ezekiel 47. That is where God's Word shows The Father's 'house' will be established. The pre-trib rapture doctors you listen to are hoping you won't find that out, but that you'll listen to them instead.

The 1 Thess.4 chapter, Paul shows the day of Christ's coming and gathering of the Church happens when the resurrection of the saints happens. Again, the pre-trib doctors hope you don't find that out from God's Word either.

Did you know that when Jim Baker went to prison, he actually cracked open God's Holy Writ for himself, and discovered that the gathering of the Church is after... the great tribulation? Not only did he serve his time for what he did, but he also learned the Truth.

 

[Davy]

Pre trib Rapture = Margaret; futurism = Irenaeus and Hippolytus

Egg on your face again.

Men's doctrines who came up with seminary terms like 'Futurism' went back in time and applied 'their' idea to early 1st century Church fathers like Irenaeus and Hippolytus, not the other way around. If they saw a pre-millennial return of Jesus written in God's Word, that predates any Neo-Platonist ideas that His return is after the millennium of Rev.20.

As a matter of fact, Amillennialism is so ignorant, it totally destroys Jesus' Revelation in chapter 20, because it destroys its event timing structure. Rev.20 reveals Jesus and His elect reigning over the nations first, and then the final Judgment of the wicked with Satan and hell destroyed only after... the 1,000 years.