The Jewish people had it wrong does most of the church today too?

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Today is Palm Sunday and on this original day the Jewish people celebrated Jesus as their king and messiah as He came riding into Jerusalem on a Donkey and they shouted

“Hosanna[b] to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[c]
“Hosanna[d] in the highest heaven!”

They celebrated because they thought that Jesus was going to kick out the Romans and start an earthly rule on the throne in Jerusalem, but Jesus had a much better and greater plan.

Later that week most of the Jewish people rejected Jesus as their king and messiah and called for His death and shouted “we have no king but Cesar“.

Today does apart of the church have Jesus kingdom wrong too? Are they making the same mistake as the Jewish people did almost two thousand years ago? If so how will apart of the church handle it will some of them lose faith too?

Jesus plan was proven as a much better plan Jesus plan was and is the church.
 

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Many of today's church have similar expectations.

The Pharisees expected the Messiah to rule right away but he didn't. His rule would come far into the future (not soon, not at the Cross or Ascension or Pentecost). Amillennialists make the same type of error the Pharisees did by claiming the rule over the nations is happening now and has been since the first century when the truth is the real rule comes in the future. That's Premillennialism.
 
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There are simple steps, that Jesus set out, to deal with the rapture and tribulation and return. Pray, that you are worthy to escape; pray that you are worthy to stand before the Son of Man; don't try to hard to discern the time.

Have you done these things?

As Jesus said "if you do not discern earthly things, how will you endure instruction in Heavenly things?"
 
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Many of today's church have similar expectations.

The Pharisees expected the Messiah to rule right away but he didn't. His rule would come far into the future (not soon, not at the Cross or Ascension or Pentecost). Amillennialists make the same type of error the Pharisees did by claiming the rule over the nations is happening now
When did the Pharisees claim that the rule over nations was happening now (at the time they were alive)? They didn't. You don't know what you're talking about. The reality is that Premils have the same expectations as the Pharisees had because they believe that the Messiah is supposed to come and subdue His enemies and then rule over the world with His headquarters being in Jerusalem. That is EXACTLY what the Pharisees expected. That should make you think twice about your own expectations.
 

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Many of today's church have similar expectations.

The Pharisees expected the Messiah to rule right away but he didn't. His rule would come far into the future (not soon, not at the Cross or Ascension or Pentecost). Amillennialists make the same type of error the Pharisees did by claiming the rule over the nations is happening now and has been since the first century when the truth is the real rule comes in the future. That's Premillennialism.
Is God in control of everything right now?
 
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I don't know that you got your facts right. But God is in control of all things. Sometimes he lets people falter to teach them. We are raised by our parents from infancy, and God likes to teach us beyond that.

But I'm not sure the same Jews that worshiped Jesus were the same that cursed him.
 

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More than that, it was probably because of Roman rule that Christianity spread. So to say God was not in control is a bit naive.
 

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Is God in control of everything right now?


Not in the way the Pharisees and Amillennialists believe such as Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron, mentioned in Rev 2 and 19-20. Those prophecies are NOT happening now. We are NOT in the Millennium.
 

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More than that, it was probably because of Roman rule that Christianity spread. So to say God was not in control is a bit naive.

Of course God is in control of everything the question was rhetorical. God used Rome and Israel in their own evil ways to spread the gospel by forcing the church to scatter. The timing was perfect as Rome built the roads to connect the world.
 

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I don't know that you got your facts right. But God is in control of all things. Sometimes he lets people falter to teach them. We are raised by our parents from infancy, and God likes to teach us beyond that.

But I'm not sure the same Jews that worshiped Jesus were the same that cursed him.

Of course the faithful Jews didn't curse Him it was apostate Israel who rejected and killed Him.
 
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Today is Palm Sunday and on this original day the Jewish people celebrated Jesus as their king and messiah as He came riding into Jerusalem on a Donkey and they shouted

“Hosanna[b] to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[c]
“Hosanna[d] in the highest heaven!”

They celebrated because they thought that Jesus was going to kick out the Romans and start an earthly rule on the throne in Jerusalem, but Jesus had a much better and greater plan.

Later that week most of the Jewish people rejected Jesus as their king and messiah and called for His death and shouted “we have no king but Cesar“.

Today does apart of the church have Jesus kingdom wrong too? Are they making the same mistake as the Jewish people did almost two thousand years ago? If so how will apart of the church handle it will some of them lose faith too?

Jesus plan was proven as a much better plan Jesus plan was and is the church.
An interesting question, but one that requires a "deeper dive." In short, yes, so-called "Christian nations" have the same experience that Israel, as a "chosen nation," had when they fell from grace. My thought is that since all men are sinners and incline towards sin, ultimately all nations fall into sin.

Not all, being sinners, have to "fall from grace." But since the tendency with sin is to push men towards sin, the sinful condition of man invites our capitulation to a weakness towards sin, towards failure. As a result, the vast majority of people within a nation capitulate to sin, and sin therefore "snowballs" in a nation until the entire nation is caught up in sin.

Does that mean nations have no hope in the end? No, but it does mean that at some point all nations will fall into apostasy and failure. Recovery, however, is possible, through judgment against the rebellious and mercy towards the repentant. Trouble in a nation tends to bring the people of a nation to repentance. Those, however, who are rebellious, will never repent, and must be removed.

But when we consider the Church, as distinguished from the nation, we cannot say that the entire organized Church will fall in precisely the same way that a so-called "Christian nation" would. However, we do see similarities. Christian organizations tend towards corruption the same way nations do because both consist of sinful men. The same tendencies towards sin is in the Church as in the nation.

But there is a constant purging that goes on in the Church more so than in a nation. The Church, by its very nature, is designed to regularly purge itself of sin, through a commitment to holiness, correction, and repentance. Repentance takes place at the start and continuing throughout the life of the Christian. It does not await judgment before we come to our senses!

And so, the decline of Christian organizations can certainly lead to a fall, when Christians within those organizations become more worldly like a nation as a whole, and less consisting of true Christians. As the organized Church corrupts, there are less genuine, practicing Christians to continue the program of reform that God has called Christians to.

We can see this in history. All Christian nations have fallen at some point, and a number of them have experienced spiritual recovery later. There have been reformations and revivals. At the same time we have witnessed Christian organizations lose a genuine Christian membership until the organization is just a hollow representation of true Christianity. And we have witnessed those same organizations become lifeless and corrupt. These dead organizations, however, can be regenerated just like nations, but how is this possible if there are no true Christians left within them?
 

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Of course God is in control of everything the question was rhetorical. God used Rome and Israel in their own evil ways to spread the gospel by forcing the church to scatter. The timing was perfect as Rome built the roads to connect the world.
Paul, at the end when he was imprisoned by the Jews traveled to Rome and taught them. They eventually accepted Christianity and it became the Roman Catholic Church. Here is some history: Trace the History of the Roman Catholic Church
 

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Today is Palm Sunday and on this original day the Jewish people celebrated Jesus as their king and messiah as He came riding into Jerusalem on a Donkey and they shouted

“Hosanna[b] to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[c]
“Hosanna[d] in the highest heaven!”

They celebrated because they thought that Jesus was going to kick out the Romans and start an earthly rule on the throne in Jerusalem, but Jesus had a much better and greater plan.

Later that week most of the Jewish people rejected Jesus as their king and messiah and called for His death and shouted “we have no king but Cesar“.

Today does apart of the church have Jesus kingdom wrong too? Are they making the same mistake as the Jewish people did almost two thousand years ago? If so how will apart of the church handle it will some of them lose faith too?

Jesus plan was proven as a much better plan Jesus plan was and is the church.

Yes many (most) Christians are wrong on many levels, just as it was foretold of strong delusion and the believing of a lie. And the rejection has already occurred. Then comes the end.

Indeed, the Jews, knowing the scriptures, looked for the Messiah to be the son of David, and like him, a conqueror according to the flesh:

So the women sang as they danced, and said: “Saul has slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands.”​

And although Jesus' victory was spiritual waged in heaven and the death of the flesh, it is that same flesh Jesus that most now "expect."

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
 
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Has anybody seriously considered the OP's bizarre statement? "The Jewish people had it wrong [as] does most of the church today",.

When I read craziness like this, I flinch at its absurdity. Condemnation of all God's people in one fell swoop! Amazing!
 

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Not in the way the Pharisees and Amillennialists believe such as Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron, mentioned in Rev 2 and 19-20. Those prophecies are NOT happening now. We are NOT in the Millennium.
This is pathetic for you to compare Amils with the Pharisees when it is Premil that has many things in common with the Pharisees understanding of prophecy, not Amil.
 
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Has anybody seriously considered the OP's bizarre statement? "The Jewish people had it wrong [as] does most of the church today",.

When I read craziness like this, I flinch at its absurdity. Condemnation of all God's people in one fell swoop! Amazing!

Certainly the anti-Christ crucifixion of Christ headed up by the Priests and Pharisees and cheered on by the masses, is no less or more anti-Christ than great apostacy and doctrines of demons within the church foretold of our times, which began 2,000 years ago.
 
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Has anybody seriously considered the OP's bizarre statement? "The Jewish people had it wrong [as] does most of the church today",.

When I read craziness like this, I flinch at its absurdity. Condemnation of all God's people in one fell swoop! Amazing!

I'm not condemning anyone. but good faithful people can misunderstand parts of the bible
 
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When did the Pharisees claim that the rule over nations was happening now (at the time they were alive)? They didn't. You don't know what you're talking about. The reality is that Premils have the same expectations as the Pharisees had because they believe that the Messiah is supposed to come and subdue His enemies and then rule over the world with His headquarters being in Jerusalem. That is EXACTLY what the Pharisees expected. That should make you think twice about your own expectations.
I guess that removes Matthew 25 from the Olivet Discourse. You obviously don't expect Jesus to sit on His glorious throne.