The Last Great Beast and Mouth on Earth

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Understanding what an antichrist beast is, shows what he is not.

Antichrists are ministerial conquerors only, not earthly rulers.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There is on common characteristic among all antichrists, including the last great beast on earth: A big mouth.

What all antichrists do, is first depart from the doctrine of the apostles, and then build their own churches in their own name, and according to their own gospel of commandments.

Diotrephes is the first recorded antichrist usurping the Headship of 'his' church from Jesus. This included casting out them that disagreed with him, and forbidding the apostles to speak to 'his' followers.

The last great antichrist beast will have an even bigger mouth, and be worshipped as the greatest of all Apostle-Pastor-Gods, but it will still only be by false ministry, and not by earthly power.

Antichrists are all mouth, with power to seduce and deceive in the name of Christ, but they have no personal power to enforce their will over others.
 

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Where does Scripture say the last great beast, will have any personal earthly rule over any man?

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


It is the rulers believing and following the usurper of Jesus' Headship, that will make law and commandments over their kingdoms, that are pleasing to the spiritual and doctrinal grand-poobah and false christ.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

It is not the beast's armies gathered at Armageddon, but those armies are of the 10 kings following His pastoral leadership, which like all antichrists, will be as Christ Himself appearing on earth again in the flesh.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

It's not earthly rulers that we must fear, since we are also called upon to pray for them. But it is the spiritual and doctrinal deceivers, seeking to dominate our faith, that we must not be seduced by.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

The saints are seduced by spiritual and doctrinal warfare of antichrist beasts. Their bodies are only killed by his following rulers, to please him.

Therefore, it is not the rise of national leaders, that we are to care for, nor look out against, but the rise of Christian leaders, that we are to prove:

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The last great beast on earth will indeed have 10 kingdom rulers given to his word, but he will still only have personal power by the word of his great big mouth. An antichrist knows how to seductively twist Scripture to His own advantage and dominion over the faith of others seeking Christ, whether Jew or Gentile:

Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy; for by faith ye stand.

Thinking only of some future great beast is an error, since we are supposed to be looking for the Lord's appearing today.

The only great beast we need be concerned about today, is anyone acting as one today. Anyone trying to turn our faith and trust in Jesus and Scripture only, to that of some great Christian leader and apostolic teacher, that is rallying all the Christian troops behind himself. That is the one to reject.

No pope ever tortured nor killed any 'heretic' with his own hands, but only had a rule in place, for them with earthly power to follow in his name.

No pope ever had any earthly rule over any people nor land, other than over his own vatican estate, and even then he does not enforce it.

Only earthly rulers do their own dirty work:

For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.

The high priest did not have Jesus crucified, but had Pilate do it, who wanted to please the Jews more than do righteous judgment.

I say don't get caught up with national rulers of the day, who will come and go, but rather watch for Jesus' daily, and give no heed to them that would turn our faith to themselves, rather than Jesus and Scripture only.
 
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Understanding what an antichrist beast is, shows what he is not.

Antichrists are ministerial conquerors only, not earthly rulers.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There is on common characteristic among all antichrists, including the last great beast on earth: A big mouth.

What all antichrists do, is first depart from the doctrine of the apostles, and then build their own churches in their own name, and according to their own gospel of commandments.

Diotrephes is the first recorded antichrist usurping the Headship of 'his' church from Jesus. This included casting out them that disagreed with him, and forbidding the apostles to speak to 'his' followers.

The last great antichrist beast will have an even bigger mouth, and be worshipped as the greatest of all Apostle-Pastor-Gods, but it will still only be by false ministry, and not by earthly power.

Antichrists are all mouth, with power to seduce and deceive in the name of Christ, but they have no personal power to enforce their will over others.
I guess I will have to disagree with you hear about what an antichrist is.
I will have to go with Johns description of an antichrist in the Bible.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son

But from my understanding of the beasts in revelation,the first beast which comes up out of the sea,I believe to be the Israeli government. Which today is to most religious government israel has had since 1948.Its like the pharisees just got a lot more powerful.Probably every one in that goverment denies Christ.

The second beast out of the earth,would be the armed forces given to the Israeli government by the king of the north in Daniel 11.From Christian nations but not doing good.

The last beast which ascends up out of the Pit is the Muslim nations that attack Israel at the time of the end.They overcome the armed forces protecting Israel and they kill and take captive about everyone in Israel.

The king of the north responds by destroying all of the middle east.The only people left in the promised land are those who the Lord saves at that time.
 

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Understanding what an antichrist beast is, shows what he is not.

Antichrists are ministerial conquerors only, not earthly rulers.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There is on common characteristic among all antichrists, including the last great beast on earth: A big mouth.

What all antichrists do, is first depart from the doctrine of the apostles, and then build their own churches in their own name, and according to their own gospel of commandments.

Diotrephes is the first recorded antichrist usurping the Headship of 'his' church from Jesus. This included casting out them that disagreed with him, and forbidding the apostles to speak to 'his' followers.

The last great antichrist beast will have an even bigger mouth, and be worshipped as the greatest of all Apostle-Pastor-Gods, but it will still only be by false ministry, and not by earthly power.

Antichrists are all mouth, with power to seduce and deceive in the name of Christ, but they have no personal power to enforce their will over others.
You have the antichrist description and purpose all wrong according to the bible. Below are the only four biblical verses that mention the term antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John explains that the antichrist is more than one, a spirit and was all ready in the world in his days. John also tells us that it’s purpose is to deceive people to deny that Jesus is the Christ and sent from God. In Johns day it was a perfect description of a spirit behind apostate Israel
 

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Antichrists are all mouth, with power to seduce and deceive in the name of Christ, but they have no personal power to enforce their will over others.
Robert is that "U"?

Jesus Is The Lord
 

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I guess I will have to disagree with you hear about what an antichrist is.
I will have to go with Johns description of an antichrist in the Bible.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son

But from my understanding of the beasts in revelation,the first beast which comes up out of the sea,I believe to be the Israeli government. Which today is to most religious government israel has had since 1948.Its like the pharisees just got a lot more powerful.Probably every one in that goverment denies Christ.

The second beast out of the earth,would be the armed forces given to the Israeli government by the king of the north in Daniel 11.From Christian nations but not doing good.

The last beast which ascends up out of the Pit is the Muslim nations that attack Israel at the time of the end.They overcome the armed forces protecting Israel and they kill and take captive about everyone in Israel.

The king of the north responds by destroying all of the middle east.The only people left in the promised land are those who the Lord saves at that time.
The subject at hand, is that an antichrist beast is only a ministerial deceiver and conqueror, and not some national ruler nor world leader with political power of his own. He is not a king in his own right with his own kingdom, but kings give their power and their armies to him as their spiritual leader.

It is the national leaders seduced by an antichrist, that do his pleasure physically upon others. The last great beast will have 10 kings of nations doing so. They will do the lawmaking and fighting in his name.

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
 
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The subject at hand, is that an antichrist beast is only a ministerial deceiver and conqueror, and not some national ruler nor world leaders with political power of his own. He is not a king in his own right with his own kingdom, but kings give their power to him as their spiritual leader.

It is national leaders that are seduced by an antichrist that do his pleasure physically upon others.
I would have to say that a countries leader could also be an antichrist.
Ali khamenei (supreme leader of Iran)comes to mind.


I view the Israel government in much the same way.It has power to make laws and to change laws so as to put every Christian in Israel in prison if it so chooses.It also has a mouth that can speak for the majority of the people.You might not believe a government such as the Israeli government can be antichrist but I believe it can.

Revelation 12
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

If I'm not mistaken ,it was king Herod that sought to kill the child as soon as it was born.He wasn't a preacher of any sort.
 

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The topic at hand is that antichrist beasts are not national rulers in their own right, but only ministerial destroyers of the faith of Jesus, among Christians.

They make war with the Lamb and the saints, which is spiritual warfare to destroy the faith. They are ministerial dominators, that can destroy the soul, not earthly oppressors, that can only kill the body.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.

We are not fighting with governments of men, but with spiritual wickedness in high places: false prophets, teachers, and christs, which are all antichrist beasts.

They only began coming into the world, after Jesus Christ comes with His gospel: they are the false apostle response to the NT, even as their were false prophet responses to the OT.

The oppressive nations upon national Israel before Christ, were not ever spoken of as antichrists, but some were even spoken of as God's servants to reprove or help His own people, such as Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus the Great.

Nor is any nation in Revelation, spoken of as antichrist beasts.

Christians that get caught up in 'end times' nations and political rulers, are missing the point, and only get sidetracked into intellectual debates and interesting arguments, as well as playtime fiction in books and movies. Which things do absolutely nothing to be watching for Jesus' appearing today, nor resist the devil, by overcoming his antichrists now, and not wondering about some time tomorrow.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.



 

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I don't veiw the nations that attack Israel as being preachers.They might be Muslim and believe the Quran ,and they might oppose the Lamb of God but I still view those ten horns as nations.

Revelation 17;12-13
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


Psalms 83
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.[b]
9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
10 who perished at Endor
and became like dung on the ground.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
12 who said, “Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God.”
 

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You have the antichrist description and purpose all wrong according to the bible. Below are the only four biblical verses that mention the term antichrist
And so, let's look at what antichrists are in their ministry.

Remembering first of all, that they are seducers and deceivers of Christians, that do believe Jesus Christ is come a man on earth, and is the Christ, Lord, Son of God, and God.

Jews and Islamists saying "No, he is not", deceives no honest Christian.

Judaizing Christians however were certain antichrists destroying the faith of some.

John explains that the antichrist is more than one, a spirit and was all ready in the world in his days.
True. Of which Judaizing of Christians is only one antichrist teaching. There are many such antichrists, teaching their own heresies, that only serve to corrupt the churches of God from within the body of Christ.

Antichrists are not foreign leaders of man's religions. Antichrists are called false apostles of Christ:

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Jesus called them false christs. Peter calls them false Christian teachers, even as their were false Jewish prophets of old.

An antichrist is not a leader of foreign religions of man. Nor is he a national and world leader among men.

John also tells us that it’s purpose is to deceive people to deny that Jesus is the Christ and sent from God.
True, and so let's look at the deceptive nature of their Christian ministries with false gospels.


1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

First, they went out from among the apostles, to preach their own gospels. They were not proselytizers of other religions, such as the Jews religion, nor pagan Mithra, etc... which was very popular among Imperial Roman legions, to rival the old Roman state religion itself.

Antichrists go out from the apostles' doctrine of Christ, to teach their own doctrine, and gather followers to themselves, as christs themselves.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
I.e. antichrists deny that Jesus is the Christ, by preaching a created christ. They deny the Son is to be honored as the Father: as God.

They say the Word was a god, and Jesus was a created man like any other man on earth.

And so, created christology, is another antichrist teaching added to Judaizing.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is specific teaching that the man Christ Jesus, was a man born with natural flesh and blood on earth, like any other man.

He was not the Christ Spirit, only appearing as a man in a body for a season, and not actually the Word made flesh.

And so Arianism is added to the antichrist heresies.


In Johns day it was a perfect description of a spirit behind apostate Israel
Neither in John's day nor today nor tomorrow, will they have anything to do with preaching the Jews religion, and say Christianity is a false religious sect.

John says plainly, that antichrists are false apostles gone out into the world, who deny Jesus as Christ, and is come in the flesh, by seductive doctrinal means.

That is the spiritual warfare of every antichrist beast, that has come into the world, ever since Jesus Christ is come on earth, and preached His gospel of the cross.

They simply depart from the apostles' doctrine of Christ, to teach their own gospel, and seduce Christians into becoming followers of themselves, as christs themselves.

They usurp the Headship of Christians from Jesus to themselves, sitting in their own pulpits as Christ and God Himself.

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

No temple of God is anymore made with hands of men, especially not hands of another religion.

An antichrist beast sits on his very own pulpit throne, in the temple and body and church of Christ.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The last great beast, before Jesus' second appearing on earth, will do much to destroy and overthrow the faith of many Christians, while also converting rulers to his own gospel of another christ, which is himself.
 
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And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Who gave him his mouth? The dragon. What power is given him by Satan: seductive ministerial power to overthrown the faith of Christians.

He says many things about Christ and Christianity, that really sound great, but are only blasphemous seductive lies of false teaching and prophecy.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:

It is only the spiritual warfare we war against, that can overcome the saints, to believe another cursed gospel of a false christ.

And power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Who gives him power to have physical oppression over earth: The kings of the earth seduced by him to his own Christian gospel.

The Holy Roman Empire of Catholic Christendom, was only a foreshadowing of the last beast to come.

The last great beast will also have added power of Satan, to appear as Jesus Christ Himself once again come in the flesh to earth, who can cause fire to come down from heaven: He awes his followers, and destroys his 'enemies'.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

He is the last great self-made false apostle on earth, before Jesus Christ's true second appearing in sight of men on earth.

He will appear to be as one risen from the dead, and once again living on earth.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Scripture says he is wounded as unto death, and yet continued to live. Scripture does not say he died and lived again, like Lazarus.

The false prophet may make him to become a new Lazarus, and he is the christ, that raised him from the dead.
 

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And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Who gave him his mouth? The dragon. What power is given him by Satan: seductive ministerial power to overthrown the faith of Christians.

He says many things about Christ and Christianity, that really sound great, but are only blasphemous seductive lies of false teaching and prophecy.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:

It is only the spiritual warfare we war against, that can overcome the saints, to believe another cursed gospel of a false christ.

And power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Who gives him power to have physical oppression over earth: The kings of the earth seduced by him to his own Christian gospel.

The Holy Roman Empire of Catholic Christendom, was only a foreshadowing of the last beast to come.

The last great beast will also have added power of Satan, to appear as Jesus Christ Himself once again come in the flesh to earth, who can cause fire to come down from heaven: He awes his followers, and destroys his 'enemies'.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

He is the last great self-made false apostle on earth, before Jesus Christ's true second appearing in sight of men on earth.

He will appear to be as one risen from the dead, and once again living on earth.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Scripture says he is wounded as unto death, and yet continued to live. Scripture does not say he died and lived again, like Lazarus.

The false prophet may make him to become a new Lazarus, and he is the christ, that raised him from the dead.
Or it could just be that the nation referd to as Israel today had recieved a deadly wound in 70 ad and was healed in 1948.
I'm sure most people thought it was dead for sure untill it suddenly appeared once again.
 

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I would have to say that a countries leader could also be an antichrist.
Ali khamenei (supreme leader of Iran)comes to mind.
That is if an antichrist is any leader of false religion, and not a false apostle of Christ, as John says.

I view the Israel government in much the same way.It has power to make laws and to change laws so as to put every Christian in Israel in prison if it so chooses.
Once again. Not antichrists seeking to overthrow the faith of honest Christians, through seductive teachings of other gospels.

They are only persecutors that can harm the body, but not the soul.

Jews and Islamists and Buddhists and Satanists and Atheists are not my enemies in the least, except if they have power over my body. They have nothing to do with walking with Jesus and watching for His appearing at any moment.

It also has a mouth that can speak for the majority of the people.You might not believe a government such as the Israeli government can be antichrist but I believe it can.
Any government can become our physical enemy. But it has nothing to do with our spiritual strength. Indeed, such government can do more to strength Christian faith. Hitler no doubt caused many Christians to turn to the Lord in sincerity and truth, which fighting his Reich on earth.

Antichrists are more dangerous to the faith, because they overthrow the faith of Christ from within the body, by false apostleship.

I could care less what someone in the Jews' religion or Islam thinks about the faith and gospel of Jesus Christ. That has no affect whatsoever on my walking with Jesus.
Revelation 12
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

If I'm not mistaken ,it was king Herod that sought to kill the child as soon as it was born.He wasn't a preacher of any sort.
True. For fear of his kingship, not that he cared for the Messiah's teachings, which is why he only laughed Him to scorn, and removed Him from his palace

The dragon is the spiritual deceiver of all men to continue in sin, especially Christians that have dared to forsake his kingdom of darkness, for that of God's dear Son.

What danger is there in being killed for the word and testimony of the Lamb? It's a free ticket straight into His presence.
 

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Or it could just be that the nation referd to as Israel today had recieved a deadly wound in 70 ad and was healed in 1948.
I'm sure most people thought it was dead for sure untill it suddenly appeared once again.
On the physical side, perhaps, but in terms of our spiritual warfare, what difference does it make?

I'm not denying the earthly significance of prophecy at all. I am not a rabid symbolizer, that removes physical fulfillment of plain prophecy of Scripture.

I am not seeking to undermine having knowledge of the physical players of that last great day of deception on earth, but only putting them in their proper perspective. On a national level, you sound as simple and likely correct as anything else. However, Christ's second appearing may not come for another thousand years. Or the signs of the times may be exactly as you say.

Putin may be this, and Biden may be that, and Israeli religious policy may be another, but it has nothing to do with watching for Jesus now, and not being decieved by false doctrine in the name of Christ.

I am only saying two things:

The last great beast himself is not a national ruler, but greater than that: The great spiritual power of false Christian ministry.

He is the last great false apostle of another gospel on earth, before Jesus appears His second time in the air.

I am pro-Israeli nation, because they are better than the ones around them, and are not openly hostile to my American nation. I would visit there without trying to flout my Christianity, just to stir things up and be a self-made 'martyr'.

The only judgment I have about any nation and culture on earth, is physical only. In the faith of Jesus, they mean nothing to me, except they are brothers and sisters in Christ, or are false brethren creeping in unawares.

I believe Scripture shows that last great beast on earth, will be a Syrian Jew and convert to Christianity, that begins to proselytize Christians to another gospel of his own making. By it, he have great spiritual and ministerial power to beguile Christians, as well as convert unbelievers to himself. There will be 10 such rulers, that will give their power of rule and armies to him, to support his ministry as a false christ on earth.

Real seductive power, which is that of Lucifer, when he first sinned, is not earthly rule over men, but is that of being worshipped as God, so that every personal word they speak, whether from Scripture or not, is believed to proceed from the mouth of God Himself.

The love of money is the root of all evil, but such ministerial and spiritual power is the evil of the dragon himself.

And antichrist cult beast, disdains the weak power of national governments over men, who need laws and state power of government paid arms, to enforce them upon men.

Real power is of persuasion, where no strong arming is necessary.

Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

The most truly great and destructive power a man can have, is having persuaded sincere Christian believers. Your every word and look is from God, so that you sit in your own pulpit throne, showing yourself to be God and Head over the body of decieved saints.

That is the power God warns of in all Scripture from beginning to end, and especially in Revelation.

All nations are but a drop in a bucket to Him, but souls are most precious.

Antichrist false apostles pervert the souls of men from the faith of Jesus, into another faith of a false christ.

Other religions of men are nothing compared to that.
 
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On the physical side, perhaps, but in terms of our spiritual warfare, what difference does it make?

I'm not denying the earthly significance of prophecy at all. I am not a rabid symbolizer, that removes physical fulfillment of plain prophecy of Scripture.

I am not seeking to undermine having knowledge of the physical players of that last great day of deception on earth, but only putting them in their proper perspective. On a national level, you sound as simple and likely correct as anything else. However, Christ's second appearing may not come for another thousand years. Or the signs of the times may be exactly as you say.

Putin may be this, and Biden may be that, and Israeli religious policy may be another, but it has nothing to do with watching for Jesus now, and not being decieved by false doctrine in the name of Christ.

I am only saying two things:

The last great beast himself is not a national ruler, but greater than that: The great spiritual power of false Christian ministry.

He is the last great false apostle of another gospel on earth, before Jesus appears His second time in the air.

I am pro-Israeli nation, because they are better than the ones around them, and are not openly hostile to my American nation. I would visit there without trying to flout my Christianity, just to stir things up and be a self-made 'martyr'.

The only judgment I have about any nation and culture on earth, is physical only. In the faith of Jesus, they mean nothing to me, except they are brothers and sisters in Christ, or are false brethren creeping in unawares.

I believe Scripture shows that last great beast on earth, will be a Syrian Jew and convert to Christianity, that begins to proselytize Christians to another gospel of his own making. By it, he have great spiritual and ministerial power to beguile Christians, as well as convert unbelievers to himself. There will be 10 such rulers, that will give their power of rule and armies to him, to support his ministry as a false christ on earth.

Real seductive power, which is that of Lucifer, when he first sinned, is not earthly rule over men, but is that of being worshipped as God, so that every personal word they speak, whether from Scripture or not, is believed to proceed from the mouth of God Himself.

The love of money is the root of all evil, but such ministerial and spiritual power is the evil of the dragon himself.

And antichrist cult beast, disdains the weak power of national governments over men, who need laws and state power of government paid arms, to enforce them upon men.

Real power is of persuasion, where no strong arming is necessary.

Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

The most truly great and destructive power a man can have, is having persuaded sincere Christian believers. Your every word and look is from God, so that you sit in your own pulpit throne, showing yourself to be God and Head over the body of decieved saints.

That is the power God warns of in all Scripture from beginning to end, and especially in Revelation.

All nations are but a drop in a bucket to Him, but souls are most precious.

Antichrist false apostles pervert the souls of men from the faith of Jesus, into another faith of a false christ.

Other religions of men are nothing compared to that.
I'm just going to have to go with scripture on this.According to scripture the beast is a kingdom upon earth.

Daniel 7:23
He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

As far as I understand,kingdoms have kings that rule them. This kingdom is no different.Understanding what kingdom upon earth this verse is speaking of is all I was interested in .Then I learned what kingdom it is.
 

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And so, let's look at what antichrists are in their ministry.

Remembering first of all, that they are seducers and deceivers of Christians, that do believe Jesus Christ is come a man on earth, and is the Christ, Lord, Son of God, and God.

Jews and Islamists saying "No, he is not", deceives no honest Christian.

Judaizing Christians however were certain antichrists destroying the faith of some.


True. Of which Judaizing of Christians is only one antichrist teaching. There are many such antichrists, teaching their own heresies, that only serve to corrupt the churches of God from within the body of Christ.

Antichrists are not foreign leaders of man's religions. Antichrists are called false apostles of Christ:

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Jesus called them false christs. Peter calls them false Christian teachers, even as their were false Jewish prophets of old.

An antichrist is not a leader of foreign religions of man. Nor is he a national and world leader among men.


True, and so let's look at the deceptive nature of their Christian ministries with false gospels.




Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


First, they went out from among the apostles, to preach their own gospels. They were not proselytizers of other religions, such as the Jews religion, nor pagan Mithra, etc... which was very popular among Imperial Roman legions, to rival the old Roman state religion itself.

Antichrists go out from the apostles' doctrine of Christ, to teach their own doctrine, and gather followers to themselves, as christs themselves.


I.e. antichrists deny that Jesus is the Christ, by preaching a created christ. They deny the Son is to be honored as the Father: as God.

They say the Word was a god, and Jesus was a created man like any other man on earth.

And so, created christology, is another antichrist teaching added to Judaizing.


And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is specific teaching that the man Christ Jesus, was a man born with natural flesh and blood on earth, like any other man.

He was not the Christ Spirit, only appearing as a man in a body for a season, and not actually the Word made flesh.

And so Arianism is added to the antichrist heresies.



Neither in John's day nor today nor tomorrow, will they have anything to do with preaching the Jews religion, and say Christianity is a false religious sect.

John says plainly, that antichrists are false apostles gone out into the world, who deny Jesus as Christ, and is come in the flesh, by seductive doctrinal means.

That is the spiritual warfare of every antichrist beast, that has come into the world, ever since Jesus Christ is come on earth, and preached His gospel of the cross.

They simply depart from the apostles' doctrine of Christ, to teach their own gospel, and seduce Christians into becoming followers of themselves, as christs themselves.

They usurp the Headship of Christians from Jesus to themselves, sitting in their own pulpits as Christ and God Himself.

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

No temple of God is anymore made with hands of men, especially not hands of another religion.

An antichrist beast sits on his very own pulpit throne, in the temple and body and church of Christ.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The last great beast, before Jesus' second appearing on earth, will do much to destroy and overthrow the faith of many Christians, while also converting rulers to his own gospel of another christ, which is himself.
You have some of it right until your last section

Remember that the same John wrote his gospel his epistles and revelation. John used different terms the antichrist and the beast for a reason because they have different characters and purposes. One is to deceive that Jesus isn’t the Christ or sent from God. The other is to self glorify and persecute the church.

If you read the gospel of John you will see that Jesus repeatedly claimed to be the Christ and sent by God and apostate Israel rejected Him thus it is no coincidence that John wrote his gospel and was the only one to teach about the antichrist