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the "little horn" is NOT "the Antichrist".

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    Most if not all Christians today believe that Daniel's "little horn" is "the Antichrist", but in reality, the little horn is "the holy place" (Christian place) of which Jesus spoke in Matt.24:15. And, it is the same "Babylon" of which John spoke in Revelation. It is none other than AMERICA.Daniel's description of the little horn: "Out of one of them (out of the European kingdom) came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. (Dan.8:9-10)Notice that scripture says that the little horn waxed great to "the host of heaven". Therefore, the question we must ask ourselves is, "Who is the host of heaven?"Thoughts?
     
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    Most if not all Christians today believe that Daniel's "little horn" is "the Antichrist", but in reality, the little horn is "the holy place" (Christian place) of which Jesus spoke in Matt.24:15. And, it is the same "Babylon" of which John spoke in Revelation. It is none other than AMERICA.Daniel's description of the little horn: "Out of one of them (out of the European kingdom) came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. (Dan.8:9-10)Notice that scripture says that the little horn waxed great to "the host of heaven". Therefore, the question we must ask ourselves is, "Who is the host of heaven?"Thoughts?
    truthsearcher: How can it be America when Jesus told His disicples right there with Him that THEY were going to see it?"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . (Mat. 24:15). What is the context? What is the audience relevance?JesusReigns
     
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    truthsearcher: How can it be America when Jesus told His disicples right there with Him that THEY were going to see it?"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . (Mat. 24:15). What is the context? What is the audience relevance?JesusReigns
    TruthI think you will find with more study that the the little Horn is Satan himself not America. .........Jesusreigns you obviously have no clue what the abomination of desolation is The Abomination of Desolation is: when HE (hebrew) stands where he ought not.This is Satan as antichrist standing on the temple mt in the place of the holy of hollies declaring himself to be christ. The actual act that will make many realize they have been following the wrong christ. Im sure you will argue this is your little roman Gen Titus that small footnote in history but you would be wrong.Since according to you half the Bible is about this General that almost no one ever heard of.
     
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    TruthI think you will find with more study that the the little Horn is Satan himself not America. .........Jesusreigns you obviously have no clue what the abomination of desolation is The Abomination of Desolation is: when HE (hebrew) stands where he ought not.This is Satan as antichrist standing on the temple mt in the place of the holy of hollies declaring himself to be christ. The actual act that will make many realize they have been following the wrong christ. Im sure you will argue this is your little roman Gen Titus that small footnote in history but you would be wrong.Since according to you half the Bible is about this General that almost no one ever heard of.
    kriss: When Jesus gives a time frame for something, should we not adhere to it? Why will you not acknowledge Jesus' clear words? Whatever the abomination of desolation WAS, it occurred during the lifetimes of THOSE disciples! The words are clear!Jesus said to THOSE disciples standing right there with Him--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . " He further clarifies this in Luke 21:20-21--"When YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is AT HAND." The abomination brought desolation! Furthermore, please do not put words in my mouth. I have NEVER said that Titus was the abomination of desolation! I have never said that half the Bible is about him! Where do you get this stuff?In order to understand what the abomination of desolation was, we must first place it in its proper historical setting--AD 70!!JesusReigns
     
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    truthsearcher: How can it be America when Jesus told His disicples right there with Him that THEY were going to see it?"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . (Mat. 24:15). What is the context? What is the audience relevance?JesusReigns
    The term "abomination of desolation" was the term used quite often by Daniel the prophet in his description of the "ten-horned beast" or, "man of sin", "son of perdition". So then, by referring us to the writings of Daniel, it stands to reason that the "abomination of desolation" of which Christ spoke in Matt.24:15, is that of the end-time "beast".....And if "the end-time beast", then obviously Jesus meant, "When ye (whom are living at the end of the age) see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...."Remember that Jesus was addressing the question, "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
     
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    TruthI think you will find with more study that the the little Horn is Satan himself not America. .........Jesusreigns you obviously have no clue what the abomination of desolation is The Abomination of Desolation is: when HE (hebrew) stands where he ought not.This is Satan as antichrist standing on the temple mt in the place of the holy of hollies declaring himself to be christ. The actual act that will make many realize they have been following the wrong christ. Im sure you will argue this is your little roman Gen Titus that small footnote in history but you would be wrong.Since according to you half the Bible is about this General that almost no one ever heard of.
    Nonsense. There is no coming "Antichrist". That is man-made doctrine, and is the "strong delusion" which the Church is under today because you refuse to believe that the ten-horned beast is a nationality of man, instead of an individual man.
     
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    No, truth you do not see there is a a ten nation one world system and one world religious system and Antichrist you are only seeing a part of the wholeand Man of sin.Satan (antichrist )is coming it is the reason for this age it is why we are here to chose whether we follow Christ or Antichrist (Satan) for those that believe Satan will not come as antichrist for you it is what will decide which of the fathers you will follow have you not read.
     
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    Who is this talking about if not Satan (antichrist)?Revelation 13:10 "He that leadeth into [if any man is for] captivity [he] shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."This is the start of the religious beast system, and is the part that will bring most Christians down. This doesn't do much for you, because it's a Hebrew idiom, translated into Greek, and then into English. It loses a lot along the way. It means that those that are destined to go into captivity, shall go captive. Satan will take them, and deceive them, and God will allow it. However, they can, and more then likely will be saved during the teaching of the Millennium age. Those that are destined to be killed, will be killed. We know the two witnesses are two destined to be killed. God's election are also held captive by almighty God, and they will witness when called to do so. The witnessing will be done by God's holy Spirit flowing through them. Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him. He has plenty of sweet talk, blessings, wealth and what ever valued price you put on your soul, to sell your soul. Have you thought of what price you would put for your soul?Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."(who is this if not antichrist Satan?)Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."(who is this that will preform miracles)This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image. Revelation 13:15 "And he had power [it was given unto him] to give life [breath] unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."Satan while sitting in his temple in Jerusalem is given the power to assign his authority to the new religious beast, the "one world system. He has been given the control of all the people on the earth, and he will require them to worship him as god. Satan [the Antichrist] will require their respect, and he will give protection to them and his system. So both the system, and the Antichrist will demand the respect and worship of all people.This is in reference to the two witnesses that will be killed, for the trouble they caused to Satan, the people of the earth, and Satan's religious system. this is why the two wittness cant be the old and new testament you can never kill the Word of God first there was the Word.
     
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    kriss: When Jesus gives a time frame for something, should we not adhere to it? Why will you not acknowledge Jesus' clear words? Whatever the abomination of desolation WAS, it occurred during the lifetimes of THOSE disciples! The words are clear!Jesus said to THOSE disciples standing right there with Him--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . " He further clarifies this in Luke 21:20-21--"When YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is AT HAND." The abomination brought desolation! Furthermore, please do not put words in my mouth. I have NEVER said that Titus was the abomination of desolation! I have never said that half the Bible is about him! Where do you get this stuff?In order to understand what the abomination of desolation was, we must first place it in its proper historical setting--AD 70!!JesusReigns
    JR,When you continue to read verse 22 of Luke 21, you'll find that it says, "For these be the days of vengeance, that "all things which are written may be fulfilled."Jesus is clearly referring to "all things written about the end-time beast; man of sin; son of perdition". John, in Rev.17:17, said the same thing in reference to the beast. Notice that he says, "until the words of God shall be fulfilled".
     
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    Who is this talking about if not Satan (antichrist)?Revelation 13:10 "He that leadeth into [if any man is for] captivity [he] shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."This is the start of the religious beast system, and is the part that will bring most Christians down. This doesn't do much for you, because it's a Hebrew idiom, translated into Greek, and then into English. It loses a lot along the way. It means that those that are destined to go into captivity, shall go captive. Satan will take them, and deceive them, and God will allow it. However, they can, and more then likely will be saved during the teaching of the Millennium age. Those that are destined to be killed, will be killed. We know the two witnesses are two destined to be killed. God's election are also held captive by almighty God, and they will witness when called to do so. The witnessing will be done by God's holy Spirit flowing through them. Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him. He has plenty of sweet talk, blessings, wealth and what ever valued price you put on your soul, to sell your soul. Have you thought of what price you would put for your soul?Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."(who is this if not antichrist Satan?)Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."(who is this that will preform miracles)This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image. Revelation 13:15 "And he had power [it was given unto him] to give life [breath] unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."Satan while sitting in his temple in Jerusalem is given the power to assign his authority to the new religious beast, the "one world system. He has been given the control of all the people on the earth, and he will require them to worship him as god. Satan [the Antichrist] will require their respect, and he will give protection to them and his system. So both the system, and the Antichrist will demand the respect and worship of all people.This is in reference to the two witnesses that will be killed, for the trouble they caused to Satan, the people of the earth, and Satan's religious system. this is why the two wittness cant be the old and new testament you can never kill the Word of God first there was the Word.
    kriss,The beast which John saw coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1 was that of end-time BABYLON, for notice that he said the beast had "seven heads and ten horns". That is how BABYLON is described in Rev.17:3.The BABYLON he saw was none other than AMERICA, and the ten-horned beast which America is worshipping/serving today.
     
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    Thoughts?
    Rome. The little horn is the papacy. It has a physical appearance and it speaks great things against the most high God. It changes the times and laws of God and it wears out the saints of God (persecution).
     
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    RNDI can respect the fact that you are a Aventist and your church teaches it is the Pope and Catholic church that is the Anichrist. But the bible does not teach this. It teaches that the little horn is antichrist with his one world religious system now if you what to believe this is Catholic Papacy fine. But that is a mans teaching.
     
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    RNDI can respect the fact that you are a Aventist and your church teaches it is the Pope and Catholic church that is the Anichrist. But the bible does not teach this. It teaches that the little horn is antichrist with his one world religious system now if you what to believe this is Catholic Papacy fine. But that is a mans teaching.
    Um....isn't the RCC currenty sitting on top of the world religious system? I mean, for goodness sakes, most of the religious worls believes her pagan teaching and doctrines.Look, I know it sounds exciting to so many that Satan himself is going to drop outta the sky and land on the world scene on day, but that is inconsistent with scripture; simply because Satan was in the garden and has been the prince of this world ever since.The false religious system is being ushered in to the whole of the world at this very moment and it is clearly the false religion of the Babylonian, Egyptian and Roman paganism.
     
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    Um....isn't the RCC currenty sitting on top of the world religious system? I mean, for goodness sakes, most of the religious worls believes her pagan teaching and doctrines.Look, I know it sounds exciting to so many that Satan himself is going to drop outta the sky and land on the world scene on day, but that is inconsistent with scripture; simply because Satan was in the garden and has been the prince of this world ever since.The false religious system is being ushered in to the whole of the world at this very moment and it is clearly the false religion of the Babylonian, Egyptian and Roman paganism.
    Satan is not a human being RND this is a mistake men make in this conclusion of trying to put a man in the place of a Angelic being I have no doubt that the papacy maybe a type of this but it can not be a man.
     
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    Satan is not a human being RND this is a mistake men make in this conclusion of trying to put a man in the place of a Angelic being I have no doubt that the papacy maybe a type of this but it can not be a man.
    Satan doesn't come down to earth, he and his angels are already here and he rules other's by his spirit. The 'mystery of iniquity' (lawlessness) was alive in the church in Paul's day. He, the spirit of antichrist, sits in the temple of God claiming to be God. An antichrist is any one who falsely claims that Jesus is not the Son of God.1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Anyone that denies Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist. Therefore, it simply can not be atribute to a "single" antichrist boogeyman, but rather it is the 'spirit' of antichrist that sits in the Temple of God.They were even in the church in John's day:1 John 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.An 'antichrist' is a deceiver and anyone that claims Jesus isn't the Christ, even in John's day there were many 'antichrists' in the world:2 John 1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.The Roman church has said that it is responsible for the salvation of man and that it is the judge of salvation. This is a denial of the atoning power of the Blood of Christ and a direct statement against His kingdom and pure blasphemy.....no one nor no other religious entity on earth has ever made this claim. This is not an Adventist view but rather a view of the entire reformation movement. "The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land....He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords." - La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871 (quoted in "An Inside View of the Vatican Council" by Leonard Woosely Bacaon, p 229, American Tract Society edition). “All the names which are attributed to Christ in Scripture, implying His supremacy over the church, are also attributed to the Pope.” - Robert Bellarmine, in Disputationes de Controversiis, "On the Authority of Councils", book 2, Chapter 17. "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." - Catholic National, July, 1895. "...the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man." - Pope Nicholas I, quoted in History of the Councils, vol. IX, Dist.: 96, Can 7, "Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para", by Labbe and Cossart.If you have a better idea as to who or what you envision the Bible to be saying who the 'little horn' is then I'd love to see you take a firm stab and name who or what it is.Simply saying, 'that's not it' is unacceptable without proof.
     
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    You are putting things that are in future sense in past tense to make it make sense. Yes Satan walked to and fro upon the earth in the past he was obviously here, as he also tempted Christ in the desert. But Satan has not physically been on earth since Christ death on the cross.He has physically been held by Michael only his spirit now roams the earth.he will be cast down to earth Rev 12:9 this is John in his vision of the future Also llThess. Says the lord will not come till after the Man of Sin the Lawless one comes (this is Satan) Why would he say that if he was already here. there are no contradictions in Gods word only mans lack of understanding. Thessalonians 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,Revelation 12:9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Rev. also tell us Satan will be physically dragged before men who will look upon himScrpiture I think you agree has both a physical and spirit reference to Satan we must look very carefully at the veres to discover which ones are talking a literal pysical being and the spirit of Satan
     
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    You are putting things that are in future sense in past tense to make it make sense.
    No I'm talking about things that make sense, that happened in the past, and placing them in context with what scripture 'actually' says....
    Yes Satan walked to and fro upon the earth in the past he was obviously here, as he also tempted Christ in the desert. But Satan has not physically been on earth since Christ death on the cross.
    Can you show me one scriptural referrence, just one mind you, that substansiates this opinion. Can you show me one verse that says Satan left earth upon the death of Christ on the cross?The "spirit" of Satan was alive in Christ's day and that is what He was battling, the 'spirit' of Satan.
    He has physically been held by Michael only his spirit now roams the earth.
    Ah, so Satan has been 'reserved' here on earth for punishment.
    he will be cast down to earth Rev 12:9 this is John in his vision of the future
    Um, if he was already on earth in Adam and Eves day, or Noah's day, or Job's day where in scripture does it say that Satan left earth physically, but left his spirit on earth?Even Paul clearly says that the 'power of the air' is the spirit in which those that were once without Christ walked and that 'spirit' is now working in the children of disobedience..Ephesians 2:2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    Also llThess. Says the lord will not come till after the Man of Sin the Lawless one comes (this is Satan) Why would he say that if he was already here. there are no contradictions in Gods word only mans lack of understanding.
    Um, no 2 Thess. 2:9 doesn't say that at all.....follow along, my helps are in ().
    Thessalonians 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
    2 Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work (the spirit of lawlessness; Satan): only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way (at the second coming). 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed (Satan), whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth (Word of God), and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (Jesus' second coming, it will be bright) 9 Even him (the false church system, Mystery Babylon, the papal system), whose coming is after (that is, just like, i.e. full of deception) the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, The false system comes after the manner of Satan, or mimics Satan with lies, power (political) and signs (eccleisastical marks).
    Revelation 12:9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
    Again, this has already happened. Satan has already been kicked out of Heaven. He was in the garden, his 'spirit' is still active on this earth.
    Rev. also tell us Satan will be physically dragged before men who will look upon him
    Yeah, after the millenium.
    Scrpiture I think you agree has both a physical and spirit reference to Satan we must look very carefully at the veres to discover which ones are talking a literal pysical being and the spirit of Satan
    I agree, but we must be reasonable in our assertions that if they cannot be backed-up with scripture it most like means it isn't a scriptural teaching.So again, if you can give me just one verse.....just one verse that substanciates your assertion that Satan physically left the earth, but left his spirit on earth after Christ death on the cross I you might have a convert, but I need to see firm Biblical proof of your assertion.Otherwise, it's just repeated mumbo-jumbo.
     
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    What are the names used for Satan ? Lucifer,man of sin, son of perdition,sin, death What did Christ conquer on the cross? was it not Sin,and death?If Satan is physically here where is he ? He walks, he talks, he performs miracles for all to see where is he? And if the war in Heaven is Satans rebellion because he wants to be Godwhy would we care if he isnt going to come here claiming to be God/Christall the other antichrists were types of THE ANTI christ Satan himself anti means "instead of" thus antichrist means instead of christ.Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. This is not past What is the subject here? of Rev 12? You say you are twisting up time periods but why in the mist of a vision about woes and trumps is John suddenly going to bring up the Garden???????????????? Rev. 12:12Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! (the heavens are rejoicing because Satan has been kicked out) But woe to the earth and the sea, (woe to us (earth) because the devil has gone down to you! (why Because Satan is coming) not because he is here He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." (now he knows his time is short )Why because we are in the fifth trump in John vision Rev.12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.this is the christian church but there were no christians before Christ came so this cant be talking past. And again no one has seen Satan sense christ death because he has been held back so the church could be preached around the worldthen he will be let lose (kicked down to earth)
     
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    Just as Mathew 24 talks about the Abomination being at these end times it has not occuredMat.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Mat 24:15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— Mat.24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.Mat 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Mat.24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. Mat 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Mat 24:20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. Mat 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. Mat 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Mat 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
     
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    What are the names used for Satan ? Lucifer,man of sin, son of perdition,sin, death What did Christ conquer on the cross? was it not Sin,and death?If Satan is physically here where is he ? He walks, he talks, he performs miracles for all to see where is he? And if the war in Heaven is Satans rebellion because he wants to be Godwhy would we care if he isnt going to come here claiming to be God/Christall the other antichrists were types of THE ANTI christ Satan himself anti means "instead of" thus antichrist means instead of christ.Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. This is not past What is the subject here? of Rev 12? You say you are twisting up time periods but why in the mist of a vision about woes and trumps is John suddenly going to bring up the Garden???????????????? Rev. 12:12Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! (the heavens are rejoicing because Satan has been kicked out) But woe to the earth and the sea, (woe to us (earth) because the devil has gone down to you! (why Because Satan is coming) not because he is here He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." (now he knows his time is short )Why because we are in the fifth trump in John vision Rev.12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.this is the christian church but there were no christians before Christ came so this cant be talking past. And again no one has seen Satan sense christ death because he has been held back so the church could be preached around the worldthen he will be let lose (kicked down to earth)
    Sorry, nothing here confirms your supposition.
     
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