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the "little horn" is NOT "the Antichrist".

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    I only agree here that the pope is a deciever if he believes their perverted doctrine!
    Jody, I guarantee you believe the same perverted, unbiblical doctrine that the RCC spread throughout the Christian church.I mean you even go to church on the day they told you too!Sunday is NOT the Sabbath!
     
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    You just assume that I just go to church on Sunday!I worship on Saturday also!I believe that Saturday is the orginal true Saboth day!So don't say that I believe their perverted doctrines, because I don't!
     
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    You just assume that I just go to church on Sunday!I worship on Saturday also!I believe that Saturday is the orginal true Saboth day!So don't say that I believe their perverted doctrines, because I don't!
    So your're a sabbathkeeper Jody? You go to church on Saturday? Are you a Seventh-day Adventist or Seventh-day Baptist or from the WW Church of God?
     
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    The Cup of Doctrinal FornicationThe Wine of Babylon is the Precept of MenRev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:Five hundred diamonds encrust this golden chalice, a gift of Sultan Abdul Medji for Pope Pius IX’s election, and first used by Pius IX on December 8th, 1854, at the Mass proclaiming the Immaculate Conception of Mary. It was displayed in Montreal in 2005.[​IMG]Pope John Paul II, dressed in purple, holds a golden cup during the Papal Apology Mass on March 12th, 2000. Some Cardinals in attendance wore both prophetic colors of purple and scarlet (see above).[​IMG] Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompense. Jer 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Isa 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. Isa 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. Isa 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.The cup illustrated on the three Vatican coins at the top of this article, and in the hand of the other symbolic depictions of FIDES, is the golden cup of wine of the Mass. Above it is the host or wafer of the Eucharist, which resembles a sunburst.Below are similar symbols of the Eucharist as seen on the 100 Lire coins:This is the reverse side of a papal medal minted by Pius XI in 1929 to commemorate the Lateran Treaty, which restored Papal sovereignty and made Vatican City an independent state. The sunburst wafer of the eucharist appears in the sky above the Lateran and St. Peter's basilicas, over the cup of the Mass. Here is a photo of the same symbology of the cup and wafer host of the Catholic mass, used in the window of the church Dominus Flevit on the Mount of Olives, overlooking the temple mount of Jerusalem, online at Christus Rex. Note the wavy sunburst pattern around the cup.Below is FIDES, the Catholic faith, holding the golden cup of the Mass, portrayed by Lorenzo Sabbatini and his assistants from 1573 -1576 on the vault of the First Sala dei Foconi, the Vatican. Speaking about His teachings, Jesus Christ said: Mat 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.So the pure teachings of Jesus are symbolized by new wine (non-alcoholic grape juice), but the golden cup of wine in the hand of the woman of Revelation 17 is full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication, which represent apostate doctrine, stupefying corrupted dogma, the commandments (precepts) of men, by which she has made all the nations to become drunken:Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. ... Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: The Catholic faith is again represented in these paintings as a woman holding a golden cup of wine with the round wafer of the Eucharist. Chief among the apostate Catholic doctrines is that of transubstantiation, where the priest claims to turn bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, who is allegedly re-presented at every mass as a continuing sacrifice, worshipped as though it were God Himself, and then consumed by the congregation. Eating the flesh of another human being is defined as cannibalism. In truth, the Lord's supper is merely a symbolic memorial, and not a sacrifice. At left is a painting of FIDES, a detail from The Theological Virtues, painted from 1596 -1600 by Cherubino Alberti and Baldassare Croce, in the Sala Clementina, the Vatican. This oil on canvas of The Triumph of Faith which is in the Vatican collection, is by Gaetano Gandolfi and was painted about 1774. It is the preparatory work for the ceiling of a chapel in Bologna, and was given to Pope Pius X by the Sacra Congregazione di Propaganda Fide, otherwise known as the office of the Inquisition. Below is FIDES as portrayed over the pulpit of the Benedictine Melk Monastery on the Danube in Austria, built in the early 18th century. In FIDES' left hand is the golden cup (in front of the cross), and behind her right shoulder is the pagan sunburst image. Below is a detail of FIDES from The Battle of Lepanto by Giorgio Vasari and assistants from 1572-73, in the Sala Regia, the Vatican. Below is a papal medal of Pope Clemens VIII marking the 13th year of his reign in 1602, and the reverse side is inscribed Unus Deus - Una Fides (One God - One Faith) The "Mother" ChurchThe woman of Revelation 17 is the mother church, with apostate daughters: Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.Only the Roman Catholic Church claims to be the "mother" Christian church: 10. ... "It must always be clear, when the expression sister churches is used in this proper sense that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic universal church is not sister but mother of all the particular churches."Source: Note on the Expression Sister Churches by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, SDB, June 30, 2000.In the recent document Memory and Reconciliation, where the Roman Catholic Church discusses its asking forgiveness for its past sins of persecution, section 3.4 specifically addresses "The Motherhood of the Church": The conviction that the Church can make herself responsible for the sin of her children by virtue of the solidarity that exists among them through time and space because of their incorporation into Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit, is expressed in a particularly effective way in the idea of “Mother Church” (“Mater Ecclesia”), ...Source: The Document: MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION. 2. ... in every land where the Catholic religion flourishes the Roman Church, mother and mistress of all Churches, is duly reverenced, as it should be, with one mind and heart.Source: EXEUNTE IAM ANNO, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE RIGHT ORDERING OF CHRISTIAN LIFE, Dec. 25th, 1888. Furthermore, to check unbridled spirits, it [The Council of Trent] decrees that no one relying on his own judgment shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Holy Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, to whom it belongs to judge of their true sense and interpretation, has held and holds, or even contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, even though such interpretations should never at any time be published. Those who act contrary to this shall be made known by the ordinaries and punished in accordance with the penalties prescribed by law.Source: The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, English Translation, by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., Copyright 1941 by B. Herder Book Co., Copyright 1978 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., Library of Congress Catalogue Number: 78-66132, ISBN 0-89555-074-1, pages 18-19. Extract from Pope Gregory VII's Letter to the Bishop of Metz, 1081 Doeberl, op. cit. iii. 40 sqq. Mirbt, No. 297 The holy fathers, as well in general councils as in their writings and doings, have called the Holy Roman Church the universal mother, accepting and serving with great veneration this institution founded by the divine will, this pledge of a dispensation to the church, this privilege entrusted in the beginning and confirmed to St. Peter the chief of the apostles.Source: Documents of the Christian Church, Second Edition, selected and Edited by Henry Bettenson, Copyright by Oxford University Press 1963, ISBN 0-19-501293-3, pages 105-106. I acknowledge the holy Catholic and apostolic Roman Church as the mother and teacher of all churches; and to the Roman Pontiff, the successor of the blessed Peter, chief of the Apostles and vicar of Jesus Christ, I promise and swear true obedience.Source: The Profession of Faith of the Council of Trent, from the Bull of Pius IV, "Iniunctum nobis," Nov. 13, 1565, Denzinger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, Thirtieth Edition, translated by Roy J. Deferrari in The Sources of Catholic Dogma, Copyright 1957 by B. Herder Book Co., pg. 303.MysteryThis self-proclaimed "mother" church is also Mystery Babylon, the apostate church of Mysteries and the purveyor of Babylonian doctrinal confusion. Note this quote of John Paul II from the Vatican Information Service press release dated 17 September, 1997, (emphasis is mine): Thanks to greater attention to the mystery of the Church and Mary's relationship with her, the Virgin has begun to be invoked more frequently as 'Mother of the Church.'Mystery is also the term used by the Roman Catholic Church to refer to the Mass, specifically the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. It is a key part of Catholic dogma. These are the words of the priest in Latin or English (emphasis is mine): HIC EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI, NOVI ET AETERNI TESTAMENTI: MYSTERIUM FIDEI, QUI PRO VOBIS ET PRO MULTIS EFFUNDETUR IN REMISSIONEM PECCATORUM. FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT, THE MYSTERY OF FAITH, WHICH FOR YOU AND FOR MANY SHALL BE SHED UNTO THE REMISSION OF SINS.The Catholic is also well familiar with many "mysteries" through the recitation of their Hail Marys and the rosary. There are 15 decades of prayer (150 recitations) and during each decade of ten recitations, the Catholic contemplates on one of the "mysteries" of the church, which are as follows:The Fifteen Mysteries of the Rosary are divided into three groups: the Joyful, the Sorrowful and the Glorious. * The 5 Joyful Mysteries o The Mystery of the Annunciation o The Mystery of the Visitation o The Mystery of the Birth of the Lord o The Mystery of the Presentation in the Temple o The Mystery of Finding Jesus in the Temple * The 5 Sorrowful Mysteries o The Mystery of the Agony in the Garden o The Mystery of the Scourging at the Pillar o The Mystery of the Crowning with Thorns o The Mystery of Jesus carrying his cross o The Mystery of the Crucifixion * The 5 Glorious Mysteries o The Mystery of the Resurrection o The Mystery of the Ascension of Our Lord o The Mystery of the Descent of the Holy Spirit o The Mystery of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin o The Mystery of the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin as Queen of Heaven The Persecuting Church Drunken on BloodThe woman of Revelation 17 is drunk with the blood of Christian martyrs: Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.A harlot drunken on blood: Soul of Christ, sanctify me. Body of Christ, save me. Blood of Christ, inebriate me. Water from the side of Christ, wash me. ... From the prayer Anima Christi (Soul of Christ).The prayer Anima Christi can be found on scores of Catholic web sites, and actually asks for drunkenness from the blood of the golden cup. Web site: Anima Christi. The Roman Catholic Church during the "dark ages" is responsible for the persecution deaths of uncounted thousands of Christians who dared to read the Bible, translate the Bible or preach from the Bible or denied the apostate Catholic doctrines or dogma, such as transubstantiation.That the Roman Catholic church felt compelled to ask for forgiveness for her persecution sins of the past on March 12th, 2000, only serves to further confirm she is the apostate persecuting mother church responsible for the blood of the saints spoken of in Revelation!The Document: MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION. The City of Seven MountainsThe woman of Revelation 17 sits on seven mountains: Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.Now, some Roman Catholic apologists will likely try to apply this passage to the city of Jerusalem. However, this verse tells us that the woman of Revelation 17, an apostate persecuting Christian church, sits, or headquarters itself, in a city of seven mountains. No such Christian church has its administrative headquarters in Jerusalem, so it can be easily dismissed as a possibility. It is also worth noting that Revelation was written by John about 95 A.D., some 25 years after Jerusalem had been besieged and completely destroyed by the Romans. This also removes it from consideration in the prophecy, since the Jews did not return to Jerusalem until the 20th century.John the Revelator further amplifies and defines the harlot as follows: Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.So we need to look for an apostate persecuting Christian church, that attempts to rule over the kings of the earth from a great city, known for having seven mountains. So let's consider the great Eternal City of Rome, headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church. Look in most any encyclopedia and you will find that Rome is known as the city of seven hills, or seven mountains. These seven mountains are the Capitoline, Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Cælian (Coelian/Celio), Aventine and Palatine, highlighted in yellow below.Below is a an ancient Roman coin (a Sestertius) in the collection of the British Museum, minted at Tarraco in 71 A.D. during the reign of Vespasian (69-79 A.D.), declaring him to be the Pontifex Maximus (a title assumed by the papacy), which depicts the city of Rome as both the goddess Dea-Roma seated on 7 hills, and a she-wolf suckling Romulus and Remus (just above the R in ROMA). The Catholic Encyclopedia It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined. By treaty with the Italian Government certain other properties apart from the Vatican State are considered as territorial parts of the state of Vatican City. Since the founding of the Church there by St. Peter, the city of Rome has been the center of Christendom. The city itself is the diocese of the pope as bishop of Rome.Source: The Catholic Encyclopedia, edited by Robert C. Broderick, Imprimatur of the Most Reverend William E. Cousins, Archbishop of Milwaukee, Nihil Obstat of the Reverend Richard J. Sklba, published by Thomas Nelson Publishers, copyright 1976, entry on Rome, pg. 529.All information and photos for this expose are from:What does the word Vatican mean?
     
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    Papal Claims to Authority[​IMG]Christ washes his disciples feet. The Pope demands his feet be kissed. The above woodcuts are from Passional of Christ and Antichrist of 1521, illustrated by Lucas Cranach with captions by Martin Luther. These were the themes of other illustrations:Christ fled from an earthly crown — Antichrist ever seeks earthly dominion Christ is given a crown of thorns — Antichrist wears a triple crown of gold Christ paid taxes — The Pope is exempt from taxes Christ lived in humble poverty — Antichrist fares sumptuously Christ was bowed to earth with the cross — The Pope is carried about in state Christ rode into Jerusalem on a humble *** — Antichrist rides a beautiful, caparisoned steed Christ sought neither silver nor gold — Antichrist rules cities and empires Christ's kingdom was not with observation — Antichrist subjects the whole world Christ drove out the moneychangers — The Pope sells indulgences. Christ ascends to heaven — The Pope will descend into hell Martin Luther summarized in a later edition of Passional of Christ and Antichrist: "Christ and the pope are here presented opposite each other. Please note the case of each. It will not be difficult for you to decide whether or not the pope is the Antichrist, who is against our Lord Jesus Christ."
     
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    No, I'm a non-denominational, full gospel Christian that believes the whole Word of God to be True, Including the Sabath on Saturday!
     
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    No, I'm a non-denominational, full gospel Christian that believes the whole Word of God to be True, Including the Sabath on Saturday!
    Do you go to church on the Sabbath or forsake the assembling of one another on the sabbath and go to church on Sunday Jody?Be honest Jody....do you go to church on Sunday?What did the Word of Life School of Ministry teach you regarding the sabbath?
     
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    You can post wharever you like but 1. Pope is not antichrist 2.the little horn is not America. 3.The amobomination of Desolation has not happened yet4.Satan can only run around heaven accusing he cannot come to earth physically till he is kicked out he is restrsained by Michael.5.The antichrist is Satan pretending to be Christ 6.The Jews will accept him as their coming messiahThis is what the Bible says you can see it thru mens eyes any way you like but This is Gods Word.
     
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    You can post wharever you like but 1. Pope is not antichrist
    Nope, just the "leader" of the spirit of antichrist.
    2.the little horn is not America.
    You're right! America is the false prophet of Rev. 13:11
    3.The amobomination of Desolation has not happened yet
    Yes it has.
    4.Satan can only run around heaven accusing he cannot come to earth physically till he is kicked out he is restrsained by Michael.
    Well, this would be inconsistent with you statement that "...Satan has not physically been on earth since Christ death on the cross." Indicating that you believe Satan was in physical form prior to Christ's death on the cross.But clearly scripture says that Satan is the "prince of the Air" and ruler of this earth.
    5.The antichrist is Satan pretending to be Christ
    The "antichrist" claims to be Christ, it doesn't pretend. “All the names which are attributed to Christ in Scripture, implying His supremacy over the church, are also attributed to the Pope.” - Robert Bellarmine, in Disputationes de Controversiis, "On the Authority of Councils", book 2, Chapter 17. "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." - Catholic National, July, 1895.The Pope is God On This Earth "Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." - Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart). "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." - The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope”) can be found in column 153). "It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII." - Statement from Fr. A. Pereira.
    6.The Jews will accept him as their coming messiah
    The modern nation of Israel is not the "home of the Jews" and nothing this secular state declares will change the fact that if you are Christ's you belong to Abraham's seed. Gal. 3:29
    This is what the Bible says you can see it thru mens eyes any way you like but This is Gods Word.
    The Bible doesn't say half of what you think it says.
     
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    As I told you RND I am not here to thrash on your religion,but all Christians religions are based on mens interpitation of scripture. Men or falable. I have showed you over and over what scripture says. No where does it say the Pope is antichrist it is obvious to all this is a mans believe if you want to know what God says a true church should teach I suggest you read the first chapters of Revelation.As these are types of the churchs today if your church is not teaching the things that the two churches God was pleased with is teaching. Then the men who started your church have made errors in their interpitations of scripture.Does this mean if your church dosent teach this you should leave? No,not nessarily it means you should educate yourself to the truth in your heart for no church or minister will be standing between you and God on judgement day. Go to your church fellowship and praise God but that does not mean you have to blindly follow all their ideas,beliefs
     
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    Indeed, this is why I obey ALL of the 10 Commandments, not just the ones I feel like obeying.
    Uh, I don't, I follow the clear Word of scripture including the prophecies of what is to come, what has been, and what will always be.The RCC is the spirit of antichrist and their doctrine and dogma is from the very pits of hell.
     
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    All these wild speculations about, "Satan coming to earth as the Antichrist", or that, "the Pope is the Antichrist", is rubbish. The man of sin; son of perdition was represented by "the ten horns" in Daniel and in Revelation. Therefore, how, pray tell, can ten horns be one individual?! The obvious answer is that, the ten-horned beast, whose title is "man of sin", and, "son of perdition", is a race of man instead of an individual man."And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast (upon Babylon); these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Rev.17:16)The fact of the matter is that, "the ten-horned beast" and "the ***** of Babylon" are two different races of man. One race is the host of Babylon, and the other race hates him. Daniel 7:23 through 26 explains all this.
     
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    All these wild speculations about, "Satan coming to earth as the Antichrist", or that, "the Pope is the Antichrist", is rubbish. The man of sin; son of perdition was represented by "the ten horns" in Daniel and in Revelation. Therefore, how, pray tell, can ten horns be one individual?! The obvious answer is that, the ten-horned beast, whose title is "man of sin", and, "son of perdition", is a race of man instead of an individual man.
    Um, I actually don't find was you're saying here to be inaccurate in anyway. However, what we must remember is that the "man of sin" is able to work his sin through the power of great wickedness and deception.The 'spirit' of deception and lawlessness works in these nations, just as it works in the heart and minds that run the false religious system....which is overlord over the political machine.Revelation 17:7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.A woman in prophesy always represents a church, and as we can see here, the political beast (seven heads and ten horns) you mentioned, 'carries' her.Revelation 17:6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.What woman, or church, do you know that is responsible for the death of millions of people throughout history?Revelation 17:4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:What woman, or church, do you know that flaunts herself in purple and scarlet and is rich beyond measure? What woman, or church, do you know of that officially uses a woman holding a golden cup as a sysmbol of the church?I would encourage you to click on the picture below to investigate the truth:[​IMG]
     
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    Um, I actually don't find was you're saying here to be inaccurate in anyway. However, what we must remember is that the "man of sin" is able to work his sin through the power of great wickedness and deception.The 'spirit' of deception and lawlessness works in these nations, just as it works in the heart and minds that run the false religious system....which is overlord over the political machine.Revelation 17:7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.A woman in prophesy always represents a church, and as we can see here, the political beast (seven heads and ten horns) you mentioned, 'carries' her.Revelation 17:6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.What woman, or church, do you know that is responsible for the death of millions of people throughout history?Revelation 17:4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:What woman, or church, do you know that flaunts herself in purple and scarlet and is rich beyond measure? What woman, or church, do you know of that officially uses a woman holding a golden cup as a sysmbol of the church?I would encourage you to click on the picture below to investigate the truth:[​IMG]
    Nope, Babylon's not the Pope and the Catholic Church, it's AMERICA and the Protestant churches. To be more precise, it's WHITE America and her Protestant Churches. Chapter 2 of Revelation lists some examples of those Churches.Keep in mind that "Babylon" in Revelation is the same "little horn" in Daniel.Again, here's how Daniel describes that little horn nation in 8:9,10:"And out of one of them (which is to say, out of the European kingdom; out of England; out of Catholicism) came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.""And it waxed great even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."AMERICA is that little horn nation, and is the modern-day Babylon of Rev.17. It is the NATION which has fulfilled those prophecies. It is our NATION which has cast it's Christian (Protestant) hosts to the ground and stomped on them. You can't say that about "the Pope and the Catholic Church". The following chapter 18 of Revelation gives us an even more vivid description of Babylon/America.Just to clarify: "the woman" is scriptures refers to God's people; the physical "House of Israel". To be more precise, they are the European/caucasian peoples of the world today. Daniel refers to them as "the ten kings" in 7:24.
     
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    Nope, Babylon's not the Pope and the Catholic Church, it's AMERICA and the Protestant churches. To be more precise, it's WHITE America and her Protestant Churches. Chapter 2 of Revelation lists some examples of those Churches.Keep in mind that "Babylon" in Revelation is the same "little horn" in Daniel.
    Isn't it interesting then that Peter, who wrote his letters to those in Rome, referred to Rome as Babylon?1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son. 14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
    Again, here's how Daniel describes that little horn nation in 8:9,10:"And out of one of them (which is to say, out of the European kingdom; out of England; out of Catholicism) came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.""And it waxed great even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."
    I highlighted your confirmation.
    AMERICA is that little horn nation, and is the modern-day Babylon of Rev.17. It is the NATION which has fulfilled those prophecies. It is our NATION which has cast it's Christian (Protestant) hosts to the ground and stomped on them. You can't say that about "the Pope and the Catholic Church". The following chapter 18 of Revelation gives us an even more vivid description of Babylon/America.
    Which emblem or sign does America use to show she is the woman the the golden cup? Since a woman in prophecy is always a church (bride of Christ) how has the church of America done the things spoken of by the woman in Rev. 17?
    Just to clarify: "the woman" is scriptures refers to God's people; the physical "House of Israel".
    The Bible says you're an adopted member of the Abrahams seed and a Jew by circumcision of the heart.Wouldn't that make you a member of the 'house of Israel in which Jesus is the Head.
    To be more precise, they are the European/caucasian peoples of the world today.
    What about a black Khalahari bushman that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? Doesn't he become a member of the family Israel by joining himself to the Words of Jesus Christ?
    Daniel refers to them as "the ten kings" in 7:24.
    Who were the "three horns" rooted up in Daniel 7:20 and the "three kings" which were subdued in in Daniel 7:24? What historical reference would you give to them?
     
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    Which emblem or sign does America use to show she is the woman the the golden cup? Since a woman in prophecy is always a church (bride of Christ) how has the church of America done the things spoken of by the woman in Rev. 17?
    As I stated, "the woman" in scriptures is representative of the "physical" seed of Abraham. In other words, the white race. Not all are members of the Church. Thus, your question should have been, "How has white Americans done the things spoken of by the woman in Rev.17" Answer: Among other things, we've given our kingdom over to the ten-horned beast, as was prophecied in verse 17.
    The Bible says you're an adopted member of the Abrahams seed and a Jew by circumcision of the heart.Wouldn't that make you a member of the 'house of Israel in which Jesus is the Head.
    I'm caucasian, so I don't consider myself an "adopted" member of Abraham's seed since Jacob's sons; the House of Israel were themselves caucasian.
    What about a black Khalahari bushman that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? Doesn't he become a member of the family Israel by joining himself to the Words of Jesus Christ?
    Spiritually, yes. That is if he or she is truly born again.
    Who were the "three horns" rooted up in Daniel 7:20 and the "three kings" which were subdued in in Daniel 7:24? What historical reference would you give to them?
    They are three European nations today which the ten-horned beast has brought under their submission.
     
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    They are three European nations today which the ten-horned beast has brought under their submission.
    And those three nations are?
     
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    And those three nations are?
    "Sheba", "Dedan", and "Tarshish". (Ez.38:13) In addition to the U.S., England and France, for sure. Possibly another.
     
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    Originally Posted by truthsearcher They are three European nations today which the ten-horned beast has brought under their submission.
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    "Sheba", "Dedan", and "Tarshish". (Ez.38:13) In addition to the U.S., England and France, for sure. Possibly another.
    "Sheba", "Dedan", and "Tarshish" are which European nations which were "rooted' up and when?
     
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    "Sheba", "Dedan", and "Tarshish" are which European nations which were "rooted' up and when?
    The terms "rooted up" and "subdued" are terms used to describe how that the ten-horned beast (the black Africans) whom have migrated up and into the European nations, have brought those European nations under their submission, and have managed to make them change the times and their laws (Civil Rights laws) regarding them. (Dan.7:25)Ezekiel describes those European nations as Sheba, Dedan, and Tarshish. I've already given my opinion as to whom those nations are. How bout you?[​IMG]
     
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