The Lord not come to Condemn the World

[robert derrick]

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

This is saying, that the Lord comes to save and not only condemn.

The Lord does not come to the earth with blanket condemnation for all people. He does not come just to kill and destroy.

God does not need to come to the earth, just to condemn the world. He can do that from heaven, and send fire at any time to destroy all flesh and the earth itself.

Nor does He need come to the earth, to resurrect His people. He can do that from the throne also at any time.

The Lord does not ever come into the world to condemn the world, but to save them that believe and do good.

The prophecy of the Lord coming into the world to condemn the world, is of the same false Messiah and Christ, that the unbelieving Jews are still looking for.

Both Christians and Jews alike, that look for their christ coming in his own name to condemn the world, will also worship him for making fire to come down out of heaven in their sight, and destroy all his enemies.

That's the christ they are looking for, not Jesus that will come into the world to save, and not just to condemn everyone on earth.

The Lord Jesus Christ does not come to condemn the world, but to judge righteous judgment over all the earth, that the nations will be glad for:

O let the nations be glad and sing for for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

 

[Truth7t7]

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

This is saying, that the Lord comes to save and not only condemn.

The Lord does not come to the earth with blanket condemnation for all people. He does not come just to kill and destroy.

God does not need to come to the earth, just to condemn the world. He can do that from heaven, and send fire at any time to destroy all flesh and the earth itself.

Nor does He need come to the earth, to resurrect His people. He can do that from the throne also at any time.

The Lord does not ever come into the world to condemn the world, but to save them that believe and do good.

The prophecy of the Lord coming into the world to condemn the world, is of the same false Messiah and Christ, that the unbelieving Jews are still looking for.

Both Christians and Jews alike, that look for their christ coming in his own name to condemn the world, will also worship him for making fire to come down out of heaven in their sight, and destroy all his enemies.

That's the christ they are looking for, not Jesus that will come into the world to save, and not just to condemn everyone on earth.

The Lord Jesus Christ does not come to condemn the world, but to judge righteous judgment over all the earth, that the nations will be glad for:

O let the nations be glad and sing for for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

Scripture does not support any of that. Rev 2 speaks about what happens after the second coming, and after the end....rule over the nations.

 

[Timtofly]

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

This is saying, that the Lord comes to save and not only condemn.

You do realize this was a past tense verb that was declared over after the Cross was accomplished?

It does not apply across the board every time the Son is sent. The first coming was not about condemnation, because the world was already condemned at that point because of Adam's disobedience.

The Second Coming has a slightly different vibe.

 

[robert derrick]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Same as 2 Peter 3. At the end of the world.

Jesus comes at the end of this age of unrighteous rule on earth, that as been since Adam sinned, to establish His righteous rule with His resurrected saints.

 

[Truth7t7]

Same as 2 Peter 3. At the end of the world.

Jesus comes at the end of this age of unrighteous rule on earth, that as been since Adam sinned, to establish His righteous rule with His resurrected saints.

Your in Denial, when Jesus returns and is revealed its fire time

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

Your in Denial, when Jesus returns and is revealed its fire time

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

In no way does that mean Christ will destroy Sodom again with fire at the second coming. It means Christ will come suddenly and unexpected just like the fire did to Sodom. You are misrepresenting the verses, and the very example of fire destroying Sodom shows a limited, non-global destruction anyways which defeats your entire point of a non-scriptural global slaying of all humans by fire at the second coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

In no way does that mean Christ will destroy Sodom again with fire at the second coming. It means Christ will come suddenly and unexpected just like the fire did to Sodom. You are misrepresenting the verses, and the very example of fire destroying Sodom shows a limited, non-global destruction anyways which defeats your entire point of a non-scriptural global slaying of all humans by fire at the second coming.

Oh Sure, Big Smiles!

 

[robert derrick]

Your in Denial, when Jesus returns and is revealed its fire time

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

True. He did at Sodom and Gomorrah.

You need to get your timeline right.

 

[Truth7t7]

True. He did at Sodom and Gomorrah.

You need to get your timeline right.

You need to get your timeline right, the event of fire and brimstone takes place when "Jesus Is Revealed" in the "Future"

Your in Denial, when Jesus returns and is revealed its fire time

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

You need to get your timeline right, the event of fire and brimstone takes place when "Jesus Is Revealed" in the "Future"

Your in Denial, when Jesus returns and is revealed its fire time

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Same Reading, When The Lord Returns The Wicked Are Destroyed, Big Smiles!

 

[ewq1938]

Same Reading

Except you claim fire is used but the "same reading" says water. What I am proving is that your claim that Jesus uses fire to kill everyone at his return is false, and not supported by the verses you always post because you avoid posting the two verses before those which speak of a flood of water.

 

[strepho]

Isaiah chapter 24, Jesus is coming 7th trump to clean house. False brethren go with satan into the pit. This begins the millennium. Nahum 1:3. The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not acquit the wicked; 1: 2. God is jealous, and the Lord Revengeth; the Lord Revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserves wrath for His enemies. The kenites, during millennium, if they don't repent and conform to God's standard, its lake of fire with satan. The millennium is the last chance for the wicked and heathen. If they don't conform to God's standard during millennium, its lake of fire. The wicked and heathen take themselves out. Revelation chapter 20, what's pathetic, some will choose satan as thier king, and go into lake of fire. I documented this.

 

[Truth7t7]

Except you claim fire is used but the "same reading" says water. What I am proving is that your claim that Jesus uses fire to kill everyone at his return is false, and not supported by the verses you always post because you avoid posting the two verses before those which speak of a flood of water.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

A flood is water not fire.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

 

[Gottservant]

None of the messengers of God, come to destroy the world.

It is completely aberrant to the will of God, that anyone should be condemned.

 

[robert derrick]

You need to get your timeline right, the event of fire and brimstone takes place when "Jesus Is Revealed" in the "Future"

Jesus is not revealed in Rev 20, when fire of God consumes all Gog and Magog. That is another day of the Lord that comes as a thief in the night, of which there has been the first, will be the second at His coming, and finally the 3rd after His Millennium expires on earth.

Fire and Brimstone is only at the LOF, so the comparison of Sodom is only after the fire of God at the end of the Millennium.

You're sloppy with Scripture, because you care more about your false prophecy.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Since it has nothing to do with the fire and brimstone, then it has nothing to do with fire of God out of heaven in Rev 20.

Therefore, it is only the swiftness and ignorance of His day, the same as Sodom and the flood.

You leave out the flood on purpose, because then you would have both flood and fire with brimstone at the same time.

Therefore, as with the flood and Sodom, it is only the sudden swiftness of the Lord's appearing in the air. And in the flood's case, as with Noah and his family, there are them left on earth.

And there is also a separation made between the righteous and the wicked Ham, which is that of sheep and goats, wheat and tares.

It cannot include any raptured saints at His appearing, which is just before His sudden appearing.

And so, both with the flood and Sodom, as with Noah and Lord, we have the rapture of the first resurrection.

All shall see Him with wailing grief, which was not the case of the flood and Sodom, where the suddenness gave no space of repentance. The suddenness of the Lord appearing in the air does not destroy all, but convinces all by sight, that He is indeed the Lord.

Therefore, all nations wail because of Him, and all around Armageddon are destroyed by Him, and then the separation of sheep and goats, where one is left on earth, and the other is taken.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus is not revealed in Rev 20, when fire of God consumes all Gog and Magog. That is another day of the Lord that comes as a thief in the night, of which there has been the first, will be the second at His coming, and finally the 3rd after His Millennium expires on earth.

Fire and Brimstone is only at the LOF, so the comparison of Sodom is only after the fire of God at the end of the Millennium.

You're sloppy with Scripture, because you care more about your false prophecy.




Since it has nothing to do with the fire and brimstone, then it has nothing to do with fire of God out of heaven in Rev 20.

Therefore, it is only the swiftness and ignorance of His day, the same as Sodom and the flood.

You leave out the flood on purpose, because then you would have both flood and fire with brimstone at the same time.

Therefore, as with the flood and Sodom, it is only the sudden swiftness of the Lord's appearing in the air. And in the flood's case, as with Noah and his family, there are them left on earth.

And there is also a separation made between the righteous and the wicked Ham, which is that of sheep and goats, wheat and tares.

It cannot include any raptured saints at His appearing, which is just before His sudden appearing.

And so, both with the flood and Sodom, as with Noah and Lord, we have the rapture of the first resurrection.

All shall see Him with wailing grief, which was not the case of the flood and Sodom, where the suddenness gave no space of repentance. The suddenness of the Lord appearing in the air does not destroy all, but convinces all by sight, that He is indeed the Lord.

Therefore, all nations wail because of Him, and all around Armageddon are destroyed by Him, and then the separation of sheep and goats, where one is left on earth, and the other is taken.

I disagree, you have been shown "Several Times" Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End), there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

 

[ewq1938]

I disagree, you have been shown "Several Times" Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End), there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

I disagree, you have been shown "Several Times" Jesus' return is compared to a watery flood.