The Lord's Side (Remaining neutral and non partisan)

[Nancy]

I see you ignore my other questions. Do you have insurance? Savings account full of filthy mammon? Or do you live hand to mouth and if any is left over you give it to the poor?

Yes, I understand it's you and the Lord.

It's not up to the individual as to the cause of war. But keep telling yourself that and keep your conscience clean. It's a lot easier letting someone else do the dirty work. Iv'e always wondered why so many Christians are cowards. Could be a 'cultural thing' at this stage.

So, I'm a 'cultural believer'? And what culture would that be?

Oh, hypocrisy and 'hatred'? Where did that come from? I guess you would like to make 'cultural christians, whatever that is, a hate crime. Contact your local NAACP and SPLC. They are always wanting to increase their list.

Stranger

"So, you didn't or wouldn't serve in your countries military? I can believe that. Probably for the better."

Actually Stranger, Epi did serve his country in the military...

 

[marks]

Mmm...you think its pure speculation that about half of people who call themselves Christian vote one way and about half vote the other way....? And that a small part of them don't vote?

First you said Christians, now you say who call themselves Christians.

But yes, I think that's speculation, that is, if you don't have the facts to back it up.

How the faithful voted: A preliminary 2016 analysis

And this doesn't show how real Christians voted, this is all according to how people self-identify.

So in saying half of Christians think God says this, half of them think God says that, it comes accross to me as a glib statement to make people look foolish.

 

[Episkopos]

Look Epi, listening to you ramble again and again with IMO unsound and slick sounding responses to many people on your thread here is getting really old and lame.

This is my impression and take-away from your statements in general...

You are not 'higher' that anyone here as a fellow Christian, and you are definitely are not the Lord's prophet as you make yourself out to be.

So please do me a favor and either speak in love, edification and yes honesty without all the window dressings and deception. I have been very patient in not slamming you earlier by your accusatory tone towards believers, including myself. And this dribble and the 'put down' continues until now....

I have pointing out the TRUTH here that you hide from by your words, that do not lie no matter how you fashion them. I can easily see right through them.

Look at your OP again!
You said, ...
"Many believers are showing their true colours...that they are political in nature...carnal in their power. They can't see the evil in themselves...but look to blame others. They are only superficially converted to God and His ways. Their Christianity is no deeper than their race or culture. They are fully partisan and political creatures...."

How dare you accuse me and others of being carnal, superficially converted and the rest of your hateful trash talk.

And that Christians in the military person for example will only be a medic. Have you lost your mind?!.....how do you live everyday, locked down away from others as a monk that always want to 'look good' through your own works and thoughts that are NOT necessarily of God. Think about it for a bit mate.

And then you say that you do not take sides? This is a lie. Just by your accusations of believers having spoken truth to the world by what they see and observe, you have taken a side as the world does and have prejudged other Christians that they may be in jeopardy of eternal death if they do not think as you do. Cut the @#$% will you, you are embarissing yourself.

Hypocrisy, accusing your brethren, and lying to yourself is never on the Lord's side Epi.....

We are believers in this earth and also political creatures IN this world and we cannot stop pointing out the truth in love and hope to to others and especially being critical at times to our fellow brethren...we want it 100% spot on....it is not only our duty to our Creator, it is commanded by the Spirit living within us, you and me to TELL the TRUTH when one is truly a Christian AND a cop, teacher, pastor, parent..Republican, Tory, Labor, National Democrat, Independent, non-conformist (so-called neutral that never exists).. a school kid...or some other ID label we wear today.

These labels do not matter as a true believers. It is how we act and think living in these labels that the Lord judges, and if we are on his side or not.

As you rightly just said, it is the attitude by which we conduct ourselves, reveals if we are for the Spirit as Christ or not....let this type of spiritual judging be done by the Lord and not us. Nevertheless, WE all and should judge and decide our walk in this world everyday and to chastise where and when appropriate in love, our brethren, as close neighbors and friends. I would not expect anything different if I was the one with my arm justly extended out, on the receiving end of a figurative leather strap ...Amen

Blessings by the Spirit in the new spirit of Christ...

APAK

The great hatred. It was prophesied in Hosea for such times as these.

 

[Episkopos]

"So, you didn't or wouldn't serve in your countries military? I can believe that. Probably for the better."

Actually Stranger, Epi did serve his country in the military...

No I used to be in the reserves only...never joined the reg force. And that was many years ago. I quit when I realized that didn't believe in killing other humans. I grew up in army culture...my dad was a career soldier and I grew up on army bases.

 

[Nancy]

Otherwise, why didnt Jesus direct them to speak up against Roman abuse of people. Why didnt Jesus tell them to hold protests and throw bottles at roman soldiers?

Which Jesus did the crowd call to be released?

Ha, Bar-abba-s

 

[marks]

The great hatred. It was prophesied in Hosea for such times as these.

Or the great reality check if you are able to receive it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

First you said Christians, now you say who call themselves Christians.

But yes, I think that's speculation, that is, if you don't have the facts to back it up.

How the faithful voted: A preliminary 2016 analysis

And this doesn't show how real Christians voted, this is all according to how people self-identify.

So in saying half of Christians think God says this, half of them think God says that, it comes accross to me as a glib statement to make people look foolish.

Oh, nice, what about black evangelicals? There are a lot of them you know. Why isn't there a section for them? About 90 percent of my customers self identify as evangelical and they are black. And you would be hard pressed to find more than a handful of them who didn't vote for Clinton. I know because they tell me.

 

[Nancy]

No I used to be in the reserves only...never joined the reg force. And that was many years ago. I quit when I realized that didn't believe in killing other humans. I grew up in army culture...my dad was a career soldier and I grew up on army bases.

Doesn't matter, reserve, active...same thing, you were there for your country and most don't even know what they are fighting for anyhow.
Forward March...

 

[marks]

Oh, nice, what about black evangelicals? There are a lot of them you know. Why isn't there a section for them? About 90 percent of my customers self identify as evangelical and they are black. And you would be hard pressed to find more than a handful of them who didn't vote for Clinton. I know because they tell me.

You'd have to ask the PEW foundation that question I suppose.

But the more you modify your original statement the less this discussion is going to make sense.

My objection is to just throwing out these blanket statements as if they were true.

You know, 72% of all statistics are make up out it thin air!

;)

 

[APAK]

The great hatred. It was prophesied in Hosea for such times as these.

You don't give up do you. A stubborn legend in your own mind...sad indeed

I thought this scripture might apply to you. You be your own judge of it.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 12:3

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You'd have to ask the PEW foundation that question I suppose.

But the more you modify your original statement the less this discussion is going to make sense.

My objection is to just throwing out these blanket statements as if they were true.

You know, 72% of all statistics are make up out it thin air!

;)

I dont think that chart is made up out of thin air. But neither do I think black evangelicals voted for Trump enmasse and they are strangely not included...

 

[Candidus]

Oh, nice, what about black evangelicals? There are a lot of them you know. Why isn't there a section for them? About 90 percent of my customers self identify as evangelical and they are black. And you would be hard pressed to find more than a handful of them who didn't vote for Clinton. I know because they tell me.

My father-in-law had bumper stickers on his car. "Follow me to Church" "I (heart) Sunday School" "Abortion is Murder!" and "Vote: Clinton/Gore"

I told him that he needed to get rid of the Clinton/Gore sticker or the other three.... he was embarrassing himself!

 

[Stranger]

Uh...no...not necessarily. There are examples of hideous leaders in the bible. There are times when God told His people not to try to escape but to go into bondage. Really! And David refused to kill Saul, even when he had chances to. And this was a man who tried to kill David many times! Why didnt David try to kill Saul?

Well, that is my point. If God puts a man in power then He put Trump in power. Thus He must have been supportive of the Republican party at that time. David didn't kill Saul because he recognized God made him king.

And, there are times when God puts a bad man, such as Obama in power. That is for His purposes.

Haha! Tell that to the men at Jericho!

They wern't just standing there. (Josh 6:21)

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Nothing is evil of itself. It's not the having of something that is evil...it is the love of it. Money itself is not evil. But the love of money is the root of much evil. Sin comes from within a person.

So you are making no distinction between using something...for God...or lusting after something for it's own sake.

Or do you think we are all the same in our affections so that God is going to have to arbitrarily choose who is good and who is bad? (because none of us can get it right)

Of course you are probably a Calvinist and can't discern what people are to do.

We will all be judged by His standard. Some will do well...and some will do poorly. The difference is not the environment...as 2 are walking but only one is taken..;but by the ATTITUDE with which we do things and use things.

You have answered nothing I asked and instead have gone in another direction much of which makes no sense.

Stranger

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My father-in-law had bumper stickers on his car. "Follow me to Church" "I (heart) Sunday School" "Abortion is Murder!" and "Vote: Clinton/Gore"

I told him that he needed to get rid of the Clinton/Gore sticker or the other three.... he was embarrassing himself!

Lol.

 

[Candidus]

Lol.

I just told my wife that I recalled the story of her dad on the Forum, and she laughed. I asked if he ever did take that off his vehicle. She said, no... he either ignored you or just could figure out how to get it off!

 

[Stranger]

"So, you didn't or wouldn't serve in your countries military? I can believe that. Probably for the better."

Actually Stranger, Epi did serve his country in the military...

All he had to do was tell me. He chose not to tell me as it would also show he got tangled in worldly affairs. Not that I believe that. But that is what he has been saying.

My point is, we are involved in the world. There is no getting away from it till we die. So we try and function and change it where we can for the better, meaning what we as Christians think it should be. We don't just do nothing and become 'neutral'.

If I am healthy and need a job, I don't just pray for a job and wait till it comes to me because God is going to bring it. I pray, and try and find one. And I trust God to find me one.

In the political realm, I don't just pray for God's choice of a man. I pray but go and vote and try to enact any change that I see would benefit Christians. In other words, I don't know if Trump is Christian, but he is favorable towards Christians.

I pray for family and friends during this difficult time of both shutdown and riots. And i keep the guns loaded.

Stranger

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well, that is my point. If God puts a man in power then He put Trump in power. Thus He must have been supportive of the Republican party at that time. David didn't kill Saul because he recognized God made him king.

And before that, He set Obama in power. So sometimes God is supportive of the democratic party? Yet sometimes God sets a man in power who is not good. So does that always mean God is supportive of the man? Was God supportive and approving of Hitler? I dont think so. And yet, there he was, in great power for a time. So I dont think you can assume any man who comes to power is always because God thinks he's great. Sometimes in the past, God has given people what they wanted but it wasn't good for them.

Joseph was sold into slavery. Was God supportive of Joseph's brothers? I dont think so. And yet a long time later, it was seen why - to keep many people alive years later. (Including the very ones who sold him!)

This is all about faith. It is all about trusting God. Because His ways are too far above our ways to figure out until after the fact. Do men have faith that God spoke truly that He is the one who controls the course of world events? Do they have faith that God spoke truly that He is the one who puts men in power and removes men from power? Do they have faith that He spoke truly that He works all things to good for those who are called by Him and who love Him? Do they have faith that even if something is done to us that someone intended for evil, He can intend and work it for good?

 

[marks]

I dont think that chart is made up out of thin air.

It was a joke.

I think the reality is more like 88.5% of statistics are made up!

;)

 

[Philip James]

While we pay taxes to the government a follower of Christ will never pledge allegiance to it.

Hello Episkopos,

Interesting discussion.

I am curious though. To become a Canadian citizen one has to take an oath of allegiance to the Queen.
Are you saying then that no Christian should become a Canadian?
Further, if our fathers made oaths that they and their offspring would serve the crown, are we dishonouring our fathers if we reneg on that responsibility without being released from it?

Peace be with you!