The Lord's Side (Remaining neutral and non partisan)

[stunnedbygrace]

God is not on the side of any political Party, yet we do know that if you are not with Christ, you are against Him!

The Democrats were literally booing God at the 2012 Convention during the invocation. They support sexual perversion, racism, theft from the rich (and not so rich), Illegal Aliens, and Infanticide, they want to change the Constitution, suppress freedom of speech and what can be said in a Church. This is their Platform!

The Republicans have never booed God, oppose sexual perversion, infanticide, racism, support Law and Order, and the Constitution which provides individual Rights as those given by God. This is their Platform!

While neither is ordained of God to represent what He says, yet it is clear which one is more led by the Devil. God sets up no human Government to establish a Theocracy. Can one be a Christian and vote to defy God? Can one be a Christian and refuse to participate in preventing evil from happening, if they have a vote or say in the matter?? Perhaps, but if they don't they do so out of ignorance and a flawed sense of principle. What good are they, like salt that has lost its savor.

You still haven't given me an example of where it is good sometimes to be political and far left, as you stated it was sometimes good.

 

[Candidus]

Far right: Nazism. Extreme tribalism: hatred for enemies

Far left: Communism. Extreme tribalism: hatred for enemies.

Nazism is "National Socialism"... it is not to the Right. It is not Tribalism, for it was Democrats that fought against Civil Rights, for Slavery, and supported the KKK. The Leftist philosophy of Post Modernism is promoted by Democrats on the Left, saying that America is no longer a "melting pot" but a "salad where individual and distinct pieces are in the bowl." This is no move to the "Right" but forcing everyone into a class warfare and placing people into "tribes" is purely to the Left. I don't need a Racist Leftist telling my that I have guilt because I am White. I have no guilt; but they do!

Where is the Right "hatred of their enemies? ANTIFA, the Fascist Leftist terror group are the one's that hate Free Speech and shut down, and attack Conservatives. Are you saying that all this looting and arson, and political attacks going on right now is an expression of "love" by these animalistic Leftists?

 

[Candidus]

You still haven't given me an example of where it is good sometimes to be political and far left, as you stated it was sometimes good.

I said nothing of Politics when I said that. I used the example about truths in general. It was a response to why it is not always correct to be in the middle. Always seeking a via media is at times an excuse for intellectual and moral laziness.

 

[marks]

We ARE to be neutral UNTIL we are prompted by the Holy Spirit to act. Jesus said..I ONLY do what I see My Father doing.

So . . . how is it that you seem so certain that the Holy Spirit is not prompting us to cast our votes? Why make the assumption that no one is being prompted by the Holy Spirit?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I said nothing of Politics when I said that. I used the example about truths in general. It was a response to why it is not always correct to be in the middle. Always seeking a via media is at times an excuse for intellectual and moral laziness.

Lol. The entire post was about politics! And if a man refuses to get caught up in worldly affairs, as a good soldier, now he's intellectually and morally lazy.

You have a blind spot here brother.

 

[Candidus]

Lol. The entire post was about politics! And if a man refuses to get caught up in worldly affairs, as a good soldier, now he's intellectually and morally lazy.

You have a blind spot here brother.

I have answered your question adequately, yet all I get is a pompous stance of imaginary moral superiority, and not a rational or Biblical response.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So . . . how is it that you seem so certain that the Holy Spirit is not prompting us to cast our votes? Why make the assumption that no one is being prompted by the Holy Spirit?

So then, about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading and prompting them to vote Republican and about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading them to vote Democrat.

And then there are some christians who dont get caught up in the affairs of the world. They are the biggest problem.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I have answered your question adequately, yet all I get is a pompous stance of imaginary moral superiority, and not a rational or Biblical response.

Lol...

 

[lforrest]

Politically Christians are loose cannons, and should remain so. We owe our allegiance to God above all, and should be prepared to betray any other affiliation. This is one of the main reasons why communist countries want everyone to be atheist, because you can't count on Christians to always tow the party line.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Politically Christians are loose cannons, and should remain so. We owe our allegiance to God above all, and should be prepared to betray any other affiliation. This is one of the main reasons why communist countries want everyone to be atheist, because you can't count on Christians to always tow the party line.

And sometimes, they dont even vote at all. Disastrous! How dare they!

 

[Agios]

Far right: Nazism. Extreme tribalism: hatred for enemies

Far left: Communism. Extreme tribalism: hatred for enemies.

Way back in Samuel's time, the Israelites begged for a King, God said to Samuel - tell the people what a king will do -
world governments have all gone south from there.

 

[APAK]

Nothing is evil of itself. It's not the having of something that is evil...it is the love of it. Money itself is not evil. But the love of money is the root of much evil. Sin comes from within a person.

So you are making no distinction between using something...for God...or lusting after something for it's own sake.

Or do you think we are all the same in our affections so that God is going to arbitrarily choose who is good and who is bad?

Of course you are probably a Calvinist and can't discern what people are to do.

We will all be judged by His standard. Some will do well...and some will do poorly. The difference is not the environment...as 2 are walking but only one is taken..;but by the ATTITUDE with which we do things and use things.

Look Epi, listening to you ramble again and again with IMO unsound and slick sounding responses to many people on your thread here is getting really old and lame.

This is my impression and take-away from your statements in general...

You are not 'higher' that anyone here as a fellow Christian, and you are definitely are not the Lord's prophet as you make yourself out to be.

So please do me a favor and either speak in love, edification and yes honesty without all the window dressings and deception. I have been very patient in not slamming you earlier by your accusatory tone towards believers, including myself. And this dribble and the 'put down' continues until now....

I have pointing out the TRUTH here that you hide from by your words, that do not lie no matter how you fashion them. I can easily see right through them.

Look at your OP again!
You said, ...
"Many believers are showing their true colours...that they are political in nature...carnal in their power. They can't see the evil in themselves...but look to blame others. They are only superficially converted to God and His ways. Their Christianity is no deeper than their race or culture. They are fully partisan and political creatures...."

How dare you accuse me and others of being carnal, superficially converted and the rest of your hateful trash talk.

And that Christians in the military person for example will only be a medic. Have you lost your mind?!.....how do you live everyday, locked down away from others as a monk that always want to 'look good' through your own works and thoughts that are NOT necessarily of God. Think about it for a bit mate.

And then you say that you do not take sides? This is a lie. Just by your accusations of believers having spoken truth to the world by what they see and observe, you have taken a side as the world does and have prejudged other Christians that they may be in jeopardy of eternal death if they do not think as you do. Cut the @#$% will you, you are embarissing yourself.

Hypocrisy, accusing your brethren, and lying to yourself is never on the Lord's side Epi.....

We are believers in this earth and also political creatures IN this world and we cannot stop pointing out the truth in love and hope to to others and especially being critical at times to our fellow brethren...we want it 100% spot on....it is not only our duty to our Creator, it is commanded by the Spirit living within us, you and me to TELL the TRUTH when one is truly a Christian AND a cop, teacher, pastor, parent..Republican, Tory, Labor, National Democrat, Independent, non-conformist (so-called neutral that never exists).. a school kid...or some other ID label we wear today.

These labels do not matter as a true believers. It is how we act and think living in these labels that the Lord judges, and if we are on his side or not.

As you rightly just said, it is the attitude by which we conduct ourselves, reveals if we are for the Spirit as Christ or not....let this type of spiritual judging be done by the Lord and not us. Nevertheless, WE all and should judge and decide our walk in this world everyday and to chastise where and when appropriate in love, our brethren, as close neighbors and friends. I would not expect anything different if I was the one with my arm justly extended out, on the receiving end of a figurative leather strap ...Amen

Blessings by the Spirit in the new spirit of Christ...

APAK

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Look Epi, listening to you ramble again and again with IMO unsound and slick sounding responses to many people on your thread here is getting really old and lame.

This is my impression and take-away from your statements in general...

You are not 'higher' that anyone here as a fellow Christian, and you are definitely are not the Lord's prophet as you make yourself out to be.

So please do me a favor and either speak in love, edification and yes honesty without all the window dressings and deception. I have been very patient in not slamming you earlier by your accusatory tone towards believers, including myself. And this dribble and the 'put down' continues until now....

I have pointing out the TRUTH here that you hide from by your words, that do not lie no matter how you fashion them. I can easily see right through them.

Look at your OP again!
You said, ...
"Many believers are showing their true colours...that they are political in nature...carnal in their power. They can't see the evil in themselves...but look to blame others. They are only superficially converted to God and His ways. Their Christianity is no deeper than their race or culture. They are fully partisan and political creatures...."

How dare you accuse me and others of being carnal, superficially converted and the rest of your hateful trash talk.

And that Christians in the military person for example will only be a medic. Have you lost your mind?!.....how do you live everyday, locked down away from others as a monk that always want to 'look good' through your own works and thoughts that are NOT necessarily of God. Think about it for a bit mate.

And then you say that you do not take sides? This is a lie. Just by your accusations of believers having spoken truth to the world by what they see and observe, you have taken a side as the world does and have prejudged other Christians that they may be in jeopardy of eternal death if they do not think as you do. Cut the @#$% will you, you are embarissing yourself.

Hypocrisy, accusing your brethren, and lying to yourself is never on the Lord's side Epi.....

We are believers in this earth and also political creatures IN this world and we cannot stop pointing out the truth in love and hope to to others and especially being critical at times to our fellow brethren...we want it 100% spot on....it is not only our duty to our Creator, it is commanded by the Spirit living within us, you and me to TELL the TRUTH when one is truly a Christian AND a cop, teacher, pastor, parent..Republican, Tory, Labor, National Democrat, Independent, non-conformist (so-called neutral that never exists).. a school kid...or some other ID label we wear today.

These labels do not matter as a true believers. It is how we act and think living in these labels that the Lord judges, and if we are on his side or not.

As you rightly just said, it is the attitude by which we conduct ourselves, reveals if we are for the Spirit as Christ or not....let this type of spiritual judging be done by the Lord and not us. Nevertheless, WE all and should judge and decide our walk in this world everyday and to chastise where and when appropriate in love, our brethren, as close neighbors and friends. I would not expect anything different if I was the one with my arm justly extended out, on the receiving end of a figurative leather strap ...Amen

Blessings by the Spirit in the new spirit of Christ...

APAK

I'm curious which part or parts of the post of his you quoted that you think are unsound or are lies.

 

[marks]

Haha! Tell that to the men at Jericho!

Stand there . . . after they did a whole lot of marching. And then came the trumpets and shouting, and then when the wall collapsed, the battle.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Stand there . . . after they did a whole lot of marching. And then came the trumpets and shouting, and then when the wall collapsed, the battle.

Why were they told to march around the outside of the city 3 times I wonder...

 

[marks]

Why were they told to march around the outside of the city 3 times I wonder...

I thought it was once a day for 6 days, then the 7th day go seven times. Let's see . . .

Joshua 6
3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

So then, about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading and prompting them to vote Republican and about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading them to vote Democrat.

And then there are some christians who dont get caught up in the affairs of the world. They are the biggest problem.

LOL Too true. Yet people who are proud will say you are just trying to act superior. I guess we are to always get the answers wrong...in order to appear humble to people for whom truth is a mere opinion.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I thought it was once a day for 6 days, then the 7th day go seven times. Let's see . . .

Joshua 6
3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

Much love!

Oh yeah...
Mysterious to me!

 

[marks]

LOL Too true. Yet people who are proud will say you are just trying to act superior. I guess we are to always get the answers wrong...in order to appear humble to people for whom truth is a mere opinion.

I think this is actually the opinion rather . . .

stunnedbygrace said: ↑
So then, about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading and prompting them to vote Republican and about half the Christian's think the Holy Spirit is leading them to vote Democrat.

Pure speculation without the facts to back it up.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mmm...you think its pure speculation that about half of people who call themselves Christian vote one way and about half vote the other way....? And that a small part of them don't vote?