The Manner of Jesus' Return

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God has never promised eternal life or everlasting life for the unrighteous. It's those that love God and exercise faith that are the ones that get everlasting life. The unrighteous, those who don't love God and don't exercise faith in him they will suffer eternal destruction, eternal punishment..

Yes, some people can't handle that fact so they try to say stuff such as 'people will be let out of hell eventually', or that they'll be reincarnated back onto earth etc..:)
 
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Actually, I'm not, you simply don't want to accept the fact that John was told Revelation in signs, so a lot of Revelation is symbolic. I know that the eyes that say they see Jesus at Revelation 1:7 is the eyes that pierced Jesus, which was a roman soldier. I'm not going to teach people that roman soldier is still alive today after 2000 years and he will see Jesus with his literal eyes. You may teach people that but I'm not.
And a lot of revelation is literal, and even the symbolic has literal meaning. but God is smart enough to not use a word that means "to see" that only means observe with physical eyes if He meant to understand or discern, when there are two Greek words used for that.
 
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You can continue to believe that the unrighteous get everlasting life, but they don't. The unrighteous get everlasting punishment and that everlasting punishment is eternal death. Death is the punishment for sin. Those God judges unworthy of life will never exist as living persons again. Because God is the one who decides whether one gets a resurrection back to life or not.

Genesis 2:7 shows us that when the breath(spirit) of life wasn't in the flesh and blood human body after God had created the flesh and blood human body from the dust from the ground but hadn't blew the breath (spirit) of life into that flesh and blood human body, yet. That flesh and blood human body wasn't a living soul or living person. It's was only after God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body, that it became a living soul or living person. So when a person's breath(spirit) of life leaves the flesh and blood human body at death, that person ceases to exist as a living person because that flesh and blood human body no longer has the breath(spirit) of life in it.
So at death if God judges a person unworthy of life, unworthy of becoming a living person again because God has judged that person or persons as unrighteous then they will never exist as living persons again.
If they don't exist how can they be punished everlasting? Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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And a lot of revelation is literal, and even the symbolic has literal meaning. but God is smart enough to not use a word that means "to see" that only means observe with physical eyes if He meant to understand or discern, when there are two Greek words used for that.
God doesn't contradict himself either, and God's only begotten Son said the world wouldn't see him again and the world hasn't seen him. The only ones that saw him after his resurrection were his apostles and disciples. (believers)John 14:19
The scriptures tell us that now after Jesus has went into heaven, he is a spirit with a glorified body that dwells in unapproachable light that no man has seen or can see. (1 Timothy 6:15, 16) Jesus will not lower himself again, he will always be in this form. All humans, righteous and unrighteous would all die if they saw Jesus in this form.
 

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God doesn't contradict himself either, and God's only begotten Son said the world wouldn't see him again and the world hasn't seen him. The only ones that saw him after his resurrection were his apostles and disciples. (believers)John 14:19
The scriptures tell us that now after Jesus has went into heaven, he is a spirit with a glorified body that dwells in unapproachable light that no man has seen or can see. (1 Timothy 6:15, 16) Jesus will not lower himself again, he will always be in this form. All humans, righteous and unrighteous would all die if they saw Jesus in this form.
Even the NWT says JW's are wrong. See how God brings out the Truth!
 

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If they don't exist how can they be punished everlasting?

Body’s of men are born, Their LIFE is the body’s BLOOD. Their BODY Must die, Shall die, God Requires their LIFE (blood) TO die.

ALL souls, belong to God.
ALL Life, (Gods Breath), in a soul, belongs to God.
ALL LIVING SOULS, depart OUT of DYING BODY’S.

~ ALL departed (saved) Living souls, are escorted to Heaven, to WAIT for Judgement, THEY WAIT in peace, rest, comfort....WITH God.
~ THE SAVED ALSO have a NEW BORN AGAIN Spirit, that ALSO departs their Dying BODY, and rises UP to Heaven, to WAIT for Judgement. THEY WAIT in peace, rest, comfort...WITH God.

~ ALL departed (UN-saved) Living souls, are sent to Hell, to WAIT for Judgement. THEY WAIT in chaos, duress, distress...withOUT God.
~ Their Dead body, with an UN-saved soul, DOES NOT receive A Born Again Spirit...Their natural “spirit” dies with their natural body.
~ Regarding MEN...The ONLY thing in Hell, is UN-saved Living souls...not body’s, not spirits.

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

No. (People, Persons,) are body’s with a living soul IN them.
Body’s are not sent to Hell. UN-saved living souls are sent to Hell.
Body’s Die, stink, rot, return to dust of the earth.

Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

They who are TORMENTED forever and ever, ARE CREATED SPIRITS, that can NOT DIE.
THAT Scripture is notifying you...The DEVIL, the FALSE PROPHET...ARE SPIRITS.
THAT Scripture is notifying you...IF YOU are ON Earth and CAN SEE, the Devil, CAN SEE the false prophet....you ARE SEEING a “Created Angel, that DEFIED God, lost his Heavenly Estate and lost his Heavenly holy status, and has taken upon themselves the LOOK and LIKENESS as a Earthly mans body...expressly INTENDED to fool and trick you to FOLLOW him...in his EFFORTS AGAINST God.
The BEAST is any “corrupt government system”.
The DEVIL is a created spirit...”Satan”.
The FALSE PROPHET is any created spirit...”that Promotes to follow Satan”.

And “ANY” created spirit...has the POWER to take on the LOOK, appearance of an earthly man.
 

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God doesn't contradict himself either, and God's only begotten Son said the world wouldn't see him again and the world hasn't seen him. The only ones that saw him after his resurrection were his apostles and disciples. (believers)John 14:19
The scriptures tell us that now after Jesus has went into heaven, he is a spirit with a glorified body that dwells in unapproachable light that no man has seen or can see. (1 Timothy 6:15, 16) Jesus will not lower himself again, he will always be in this form. All humans, righteous and unrighteous would all die if they saw Jesus in this form.
And y0u believe that because teh Watchtower tells you to! Also because you will not independetly stuy the original languages you have no clue as to what jesus was actually saying here.

But here is a free language lesson- Jesus was saying that after Calvary the world would not see him as before. That is the primary meaning of "ou eti". Even the King James writers who wrote this way knew the world would see Jesus again, because He said so in REvelation.

Once again "Optonomai" ,means to view with the eyes!

But I assume you will continue to accept the word of men over the Word of God.
 

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And y0u believe that because teh Watchtower tells you to! Also because you will not independetly stuy the original languages you have no clue as to what jesus was actually saying here.

But here is a free language lesson- Jesus was saying that after Calvary the world would not see him as before. That is the primary meaning of "ou eti". Even the King James writers who wrote this way knew the world would see Jesus again, because He said so in REvelation.

Once again "Optonomai" ,means to view with the eyes!

But I assume you will continue to accept the word of men over the Word of God.
Just as you believe I accept the word of men,I'm I believe it's you that will accept only the word of men. So you and I are always going to disagree.
 

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Body’s of men are born, Their LIFE is the body’s BLOOD. Their BODY Must die, Shall die, God Requires their LIFE (blood) TO die.

ALL souls, belong to God.
ALL Life, (Gods Breath), in a soul, belongs to God.
ALL LIVING SOULS, depart OUT of DYING BODY’S.

~ ALL departed (saved) Living souls, are escorted to Heaven, to WAIT for Judgement, THEY WAIT in peace, rest, comfort....WITH God.
~ THE SAVED ALSO have a NEW BORN AGAIN Spirit, that ALSO departs their Dying BODY, and rises UP to Heaven, to WAIT for Judgement. THEY WAIT in peace, rest, comfort...WITH God.

~ ALL departed (UN-saved) Living souls, are sent to Hell, to WAIT for Judgement. THEY WAIT in chaos, duress, distress...withOUT God.
~ Their Dead body, with an UN-saved soul, DOES NOT receive A Born Again Spirit...Their natural “spirit” dies with their natural body.
~ Regarding MEN...The ONLY thing in Hell, is UN-saved Living souls...not body’s, not spirits.



No. (People, Persons,) are body’s with a living soul IN them.
Body’s are not sent to Hell. UN-saved living souls are sent to Hell.
Body’s Die, stink, rot, return to dust of the earth.



They who are TORMENTED forever and ever, ARE CREATED SPIRITS, that can NOT DIE.
THAT Scripture is notifying you...The DEVIL, the FALSE PROPHET...ARE SPIRITS.
THAT Scripture is notifying you...IF YOU are ON Earth and CAN SEE, the Devil, CAN SEE the false prophet....you ARE SEEING a “Created Angel, that DEFIED God, lost his Heavenly Estate and lost his Heavenly holy status, and has taken upon themselves the LOOK and LIKENESS as a Earthly mans body...expressly INTENDED to fool and trick you to FOLLOW him...in his EFFORTS AGAINST God.
The BEAST is any “corrupt government system”.
The DEVIL is a created spirit...”Satan”.
The FALSE PROPHET is any created spirit...”that Promotes to follow Satan”.

And “ANY” created spirit...has the POWER to take on the LOOK, appearance of an earthly man.
Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!
 

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Well teh throne of god will show who is right and wrong.
I believe the scriptures already show me or teach me that you believe the word of men. I know you believe the same about me. But if you or I are living when the great tribulation begins and especially when Armageddon begins we each will know who believed God and who didn't.
 

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And a lot of revelation is literal, and even the symbolic has literal meaning. but God is smart enough to not use a word that means "to see" that only means observe with physical eyes if He meant to understand or discern, when there are two Greek words used for that.
What you will see with your physical eyes is Armageddon happening all around the world when it begins and everyone will know it's God who is destroying them. Its the destruction of Armageddon you'll see. Just as the people in Noah's day saw that destruction, they didn't see God but when the flood began they saw with their minds eye that what Noah had been telling them was true.
 

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I believe the scriptures already show me or teach me that you believe the word of men. I know you believe the same about me. But if you or I are living when the great tribulation begins and especially when Armageddon begins we each will know who believed God and who didn't.
We will find out.
 

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What you will see with your physical eyes is Armageddon happening all around the world when it begins and everyone will know it's God who is destroying them. Its the destruction of Armageddon you'll see. Just as the people in Noah's day saw that destruction, they didn't see God but when the flood began they saw with their minds eye that what Noah had been telling them was true.
I won't but you may.
 

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The Manner of Jesus' Return​

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**Before...His RETURN TO Earth.
~ Lord descends
from High Heaven to Lower Heaven (Clouds).
~ Gathers together ABOVE the face of the Earth..of those with Him. (Converted).

** Manner...RETURN...The Son of God WITH Power.

~Fashion..Visibly Seen by Mortals still on the Earth, IN the fashion AS a MAN.
~Fashion..Visibly Seen by Angels and Immortals with Him, AS He IS, SPIRIT.

** Manner of Intent...

** Before ... His RETURN TO Earth.
~ Son of Man APPEARS on a WHITE CLOUD, for ALL to SEE.

~ He Begins...the Separation of the Divided (with and without Him)
~ Reaping...Separating Body’s of Men of the Divided (with and without Him)

~ Reaping, Many Body’s DYING, in the Reaping.
~ Gathering together (under the altar) Living souls, OF Those Choosing to Be with Him.
~ Sending souls to Hell, OF Those choosing to be without Him.

**Satan has world dominance over MEN ON the Earth.
** Living Bodily men, ARE individually weighing their Belief, their Decision to Commit to the Lord God....or Satan.
** wars, killing, destruction, Armies OF;
Power sitting men, Satan, the Lord God...all wielding their Power, Influence, Wrath, Power to Kill....
for men to MAKE their stance, choice, commitment....WHOM they shall stand and commit to BE......For and Against.

** BRIEFLY Delving Deeper....

~ Gods WORD was sent forth out from Gods Mouth, in a Body God prepared, to Earth, to a virgin womb.
~ Gods WORD WAS sent, specifically to a Jewish woman, betrothed to a Jewish man of the House of David, in the Manner, Gods WORD would be revealed Coming forth from that woman, 9 months later, according to the law of nature, and according to Gods Promise and Prophecy.

~ ~ Gods Promise...men on Earth would SEE Him; He would Reveals Secrets not before known; His Revealings would be Truths spoken in the manner of Parables; He would be mans Example to do AS He Does, for man to Become MADE in the Likeness, AS He is.

~ ~ Prophecy...A Bright STAR; Out of the Lineage Of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; Out Of the House of David; Out Of the City of Bethlehem, Can Speak only Truths, Shall Offer Salvation to any Converted man, Shall Offer Salvation Shall Become manifested to any Man who is (not Converted), but that bodily dies having True Belief IN the Lord God.

~~IS the TRUE Light;
~~IS the SAME, yesterday, today, forever;
~~IS the ANOINTED of God;
~~IS the HOLY ONE of God;
~~IS the TRUE WORD of God;
~~IS the TRUTH of God;
~~IS the LIFE of God;
~~IS the WAY of God;
~~IS the WISDOM of God;
~~IS the POWER of God;
~~IS the SAVIOR of God;
~~IS the QUICKENING SPIRIT of God;

** MEN OF the World WOULD Be Continually (generationally) DIVIDED ...
~~Accepting AND Rejecting Him.


** MEN Accepting Him, via BELIEF (to and on the day they bodily Die)...
~ Promise, they
SHALL BE MADE, on day of bodily death, soul saved, spirit quickened (born again) and promise of Body glorified, when it is Risen.

** MEN Accepting Him, via BELIEF AND Heartful CONFESSION of BELIEF..
~ Promise,
WILL BE MADE MaNIFESTED THEN, soul saved, spirit quickened (born again)....AND WAIT for their BODY to be MADE glorified.
(THESE, ^^ ARE Given Christ Jesus’ Risen Glorified Body to “RESIDE IN”....UNTIL their OWN BODY is risen Glorified).


** Men Rejecting Him, via DISBELIEF, on day of their bodily death;
Soul not saved, spirit not quickened, body never raised in glory.
Will bodily die, Living soul will depart their body and be sent to Hell, separated from God, waiting for Judgement Day.


Glory to God,
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I won't but you may.
If you're alive when Armageddon happens you'll see it. If I'm alive I know I'll see it because just as there were those who past through destruction of the world in Noah's day safely, there will be those on earth who will be true servants of the true God seeing the unrighteous being destroyed while they are being kept safe from harm during the destruction of the unrighteous. So if I'm alive when Armageddon begins, I know I'll see it, but will be kept safe from harm and past right through that destruction into the new earth without dying.