The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let the reader notice that the poster is trying to shift focus away from Revelation 19:15 (a diversionary tactic) and does not comment on the Greek meaning of poimaino. The issue here is how Amillennialism wrongly interprets the RULE in Revelation 19 and how it ignores the true meaning of the word. Rule/poimaino is not violent.

Let the reader notice that our friend ewq1938 here completely ignores the context of Revelation 19:11-21, which obviously has to do with Christ destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them. And he also fails to look at the original prophecy from Psalm 2 which also clearly has the context of Christ breaking/destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them the way ewq1938 erroneously thinks He will.

 

[Timtofly]

Let the reader notice that our friend ewq1938 here completely ignores the context of Revelation 19:11-21, which obviously has to do with Christ destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them. And he also fails to look at the original prophecy from Psalm 2 which also clearly has the context of Christ breaking/destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them the way ewq1938 erroneously thinks He will.

So how does that rule work over the dead in sheol? Are they constantly being destroyed over and over again? The iron rod rule is over only the righteous living on earth, while the wicked are kept in Death away from life on earth. That is the whole point. Any enemy is ruled over in Death and sheol. Same rule, but those one earth are without death. They are only righteous because disobedience is swiftly delt with and will not take root among the living.

 

[ewq1938]

Let the reader notice that our friend ewq1938 here completely ignores the context of Revelation 19:11-21, which obviously has to do with Christ destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them.

That's wrong. It is Amillennialism that claims the ruling happens during Armageddon. Since RULE is in the future tense, we know the RULING is something that happens AFTER Armageddon. This will be ignored because Amillennialism has no answer for the verb tense.

And he also fails to look at the original prophecy from Psalm 2 which also clearly has the context of Christ breaking/destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them the way ewq1938 erroneously thinks He will.

There is no "original" prophecy. Psalm 2 is NOT speaking of Armageddon. Ruling is also not mentioned. This is a diversion to make people not pay attention to Revelation 19 and it's FUTURE ruling over the nations after Armageddon.

It is also not about killing all the enemies but breaking up their kingdoms and power to be ruled over. Even in the Psalm it speaks of this:

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


Therefore breaking them with a rod of iron is not killing them.

The notion of breaking a nation or kingdom up so it is powerless is nothing new in scripture:

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


The kingdom of God which Christ rules will break up the existing kingdoms of the nations leaving the people powerless to rebel. This is when the reign of the rod of iron over these nations takes place for a thousand years.

There is another use of a vessel being destroyed and it is not about killing people but breaking up an organization of people who rebel against God:

Isa 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
Isa 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
Isa 30:14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

The metaphor of a vessel being broken is never about individuals being killed. God didn't kill every Jew. But their rebellion and sin against him caused the demise of their chosen status, even the covenant between them and God. Fast forward to the Millennium and again those who rebel against Christ shall have their wicked organizations broken up, leaving them powerless and unable to organize against Christ during this period of TIME of the reign/rule with a rod of iron. They live to be reigned over. When God allows satan to deceive them, then a brief and failed rebellion occurs and they are killed and judged and are no more forever.

Barnes:

As the breaking of the potter’s vessel - That is, as an earthen, fragile vessel, which is easily dashed to pieces. The image here is all drawn from the bursting forth, or the complete ruin of the swelling wall; but the sense is, that the Jewish republic would be entirely broken, scattered, demolished.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's wrong. It is Amillennialism that claims the ruling happens during Armageddon. Since RULE is in the future tense, we know the RULING is something that happens AFTER Armageddon. This will be ignored because Amillennialism has no answer for the verb tense.




There is no "original" prophecy. Psalm 2 is NOT speaking of Armageddon. Ruling is also not mentioned. This is a diversion to make people not pay attention to Revelation 19 and it's FUTURE ruling over the nations after Armageddon.

It is also not about killing all the enemies but breaking up their kingdoms and power to be ruled over. Even in the Psalm it speaks of this:

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


Therefore breaking them with a rod of iron is not killing them.

The notion of breaking a nation or kingdom up so it is powerless is nothing new in scripture:

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


The kingdom of God which Christ rules will break up the existing kingdoms of the nations leaving the people powerless to rebel. This is when the reign of the rod of iron over these nations takes place for a thousand years.

There is another use of a vessel being destroyed and it is not about killing people but breaking up an organization of people who rebel against God:

Isa 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
Isa 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
Isa 30:14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

The metaphor of a vessel being broken is never about individuals being killed. God didn't kill every Jew. But their rebellion and sin against him caused the demise of their chosen status, even the covenant between them and God. Fast forward to the Millennium and again those who rebel against Christ shall have their wicked organizations broken up, leaving them powerless and unable to organize against Christ during this period of TIME of the reign/rule with a rod of iron. They live to be reigned over. When God allows satan to deceive them, then a brief and failed rebellion occurs and they are killed and judged and are no more forever.

Barnes:

When taken in combination with the description of Christ smiting His enemies and treading the winepress of God's wrath, it's very clear that Revelation 19:15 is speaking of Christ destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them. It really couldn't possibly be more clear. And this lines up with other passages like Matthew 24:35-39, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and 2 Thess 1:7-10 which speak of Christ destroying all of His enemies when He returns as well. You need to try to explain away all these passages in order to deny the truth of what will happen when Christ returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So how does that rule work over the dead in sheol? Are they constantly being destroyed over and over again? The iron rod rule is over only the righteous living on earth, while the wicked are kept in Death away from life on earth. That is the whole point. Any enemy is ruled over in Death and sheol. Same rule, but those one earth are without death. They are only righteous because disobedience is swiftly delt with and will not take root among the living.

What are you talking about? Do you even know? Ruling the dead in Sheol? Them being destroyed over and over again? What kind of ridiculous questions are these? Are you for real? Good grief, you're in your own world.

 

[ewq1938]

When taken in combination with the description of Christ smiting His enemies and treading the winepress of God's wrath, it's very clear that Revelation 19:15 is speaking of Christ destroying His enemies rather than ruling over them.

It is wrong to think any ruling is happening in Revelation 19. He is killing the army and leadership of the beast in Revelation 19, at Armageddon which is 66 miles from Jerusalem. RULE is written in the future tense in Revelation 19 proving the Premillennial understanding that a rule over the nations happens after Armageddon. That is what happens during the thousand years, also in line with Premillennialism.

 

[WPM]

It is wrong to think any ruling is happening in Revelation 19. He is killing the army and leadership of the beast in Revelation 19, at Armageddon which is 66 miles from Jerusalem. RULE is written in the future tense in Revelation 19 proving the Premillennial understanding that a rule over the nations happens after Armageddon. That is what happens during the thousand years, also in line with Premillennialism.

You need to first realize the meaning of the word "rule" to understand what it is saying. It actually means to shepherd. That occurs at the coming of Christ where the Shepherd divides the sheep from the goats. Nowhere in Rev 20 does it show Jesus reigning with a rod of iron. That is a Premil invention.

You need to see what the word poimaino means and how similar kindred words are interpreted elsewhere in Scripture. The word poimaino in this reading which is rendered “rule” in the AV, carries the consistent meaning of shepherd and shepherding in Scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

What are you talking about? Do you even know? Ruling the dead in Sheol? Them being destroyed over and over again? What kind of ridiculous questions are these? Are you for real? Good grief, you're in your own world.

In one breath you say Christ is ruling over his enemies, sinners.

In the next you claim they are all dead.

Which is it? Are the dead, or being ruled over? If they are dead in sheol. They are still subject to Jesus' rule and authority. So if they are dead and constantly being destroyed, what are you saying exactly?

We are talking about that final climactic battle just before Christ reigns for 1,000 years.

 

[Timtofly]

That is a Premil invention.

No it is not an invention. It is a continuation of the rule started at Armageddon and continues for 1,000 years.

The invention is an opinion by Amil that after Armageddon, John time travels back to the first century and sees the Cross, and Satan being bound. That is the invention. No iron rod rule at the Cross either, so why go there?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In one breath you say Christ is ruling over his enemies, sinners.

He reigns over all of heaven and earth and has been since His resurrection. He said so Himself (Matthew 28:18). Is there anything confusing about what He said in Matthew 28:18?

In the next you claim they are all dead.

I never made any such claim. The ones that are alive right now that He reigns over are obviously not dead. You're always saying that I said something that I didn't say at all. You have terrible reading comprehension skills.

Which is it? Are the dead, or being ruled over? If they are dead in sheol. They are still subject to Jesus' rule and authority. So if they are dead and constantly being destroyed, what are you saying exactly?

I would tell you except I already know that you won't understand anything I say, so I'm not going to waste my time.

We are talking about that final climactic battle just before Christ reigns for 1,000 years.

There's no such thing since He won't reign for 1,000 years. So, it's only you talking about that, not me.

 

[ewq1938]

37. Does the everlasting destruction of the unsaved (lake of fire judgment) take place at the second coming?

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Amillennialism teaches the everlasting destruction in verse 9 happens the same time as the taking vengeance does but that isn't correct.

In verse 8 the verb didomi/TAKING is in the present tense proving the taking vengeance is happening at the second coming but in verse 9 the verb tino/PUNISHED is in the future tense proving that the punishment of everlasting destruction does NOT take place at the second coming. That comes after the second coming and Revelation 20 tells us over a thousand years passes before it happens.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

37. Does the everlasting destruction of the unsaved (lake of fire judgment) take place at the second coming?

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Amillennialism teaches the everlasting destruction in verse 9 happens the same time as the taking vengeance does but that isn't correct.

In verse 8 the verb didomi/TAKING is in the present tense proving the taking vengeance is happening at the second coming but in verse 9 the verb tino/PUNISHED is in the future tense proving that the punishment of everlasting destruction does NOT take place at the second coming. That comes after the second coming and Revelation 20 tells us over a thousand years passes before it happens.

This is yet another extremely weak argument, as all of them so far have been. The taking vengeance relates to Jesus physically killing living unbelievers when He comes. Yes, the punishment with everlasting destruction happens after that, but it doesn't indicate how long after. You assume it's 1000+ years later, but there is nothing whatsoever in the text to indicate that. Based on Revelation 20:9-15, the everlasting punishment comes right after the vengeance.

Another thing to point out is that Paul was referring to a single day in 2 Thess 1:7-10, not multiple days as you believe. We can see that by including verse 10.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul is clearly talking about a coming day (not days) and when "that day" arrives, these are the things that Paul says will happen at that point:

• Jesus will be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
• Jesus will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
• Jesus will punish those unbelievers "with everlasting punishment from the presence of the Lord"
• Jesus will be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that

All of these things will happen when "that day" arrives. There is no other reasonable way to interpret this passage. And we know that He will punish unbelievers with "everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" on the day He comes with His mighty angels because that is exactly what is described in Matthew 25:31-46. So, other scripture confirms the Amillennial interpretation of 2 Thess 1:7-10. Premils have no scriptural support for their interpretation of the passage. Other scripture like Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 13:47-50 also confirm that all people, saved and lost, will be judged at the same time rather than the saved being judged 1000+ years before the lost.

 

[ewq1938]

This is yet another extremely weak argument, as all of them so far have been.

Hardly. The verb tense proves the LOF destruction does not happen at the second coming taking of vengeance. This dismantles yet more of the foundation of Amillennialism. If the LOF doesn't happen at the second coming then Premillennialism is the correct theological choice.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hardly. The verb tense proves the LOF destruction does not happen at the second coming taking of vengeance.

No, it absolutely does not. It only proves that the vengeance comes first and then the LOF destruction, which is not a problem for Amil at all since we believe that the vengeance comes first and then the judgment right afterwards, as portrayed in Revelation 20:9-15.

This dismantles yet more of the foundation of Amillennialism.

Not at all. Stop your lies.

If the LOF doesn't happen at the second coming then Premillennialism is the correct theological choice.

But, it does, and that is exactly what is portrayed in Matthew 25:31-46. Premils are forced to twist and turn that scripture passage all around in order to try to get it to fit their false doctrine.

 

[jeffweeder]

This is yet another extremely weak argument, as all of them so far have been. The taking vengeance relates to Jesus physically killing living unbelievers when He comes. Yes, the punishment with everlasting destruction happens after that, but it doesn't indicate how long after. You assume it's 1000+ years later, but there is nothing whatsoever in the text to indicate that. Based on Revelation 20:9-15, the everlasting punishment comes right after the vengeance.

Another thing to point out is that Paul was referring to a single day in 2 Thess 1:7-10, not multiple days as you believe. We can see that by including verse 10.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul is clearly talking about a coming day (not days) and when "that day" arrives, these are the things that Paul says will happen at that point:

• Jesus will be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
• Jesus will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
• Jesus will punish those unbelievers "with everlasting punishment from the presence of the Lord"
• Jesus will be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that

All of these things will happen when "that day" arrives. There is no other reasonable way to interpret this passage. And we know that He will punish unbelievers with "everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" on the day He comes with His mighty angels because that is exactly what is described in Matthew 25:31-46. So, other scripture confirms the Amillennial interpretation of 2 Thess 1:7-10. Premils have no scriptural support for their interpretation of the passage. Other scripture like Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 13:47-50 also confirm that all people, saved and lost, will be judged at the same time rather than the saved being judged 1000+ years before the lost.

I was just about to post the same thing. Thankyou.
Jesus told us exactly what happens when he comes.

The sheep inherit what was prepared from the foundation of the world , while the goats are thrown into the everlasting fire.
This is a post millennium event that occurs at his coming with all his Angels in great power and glory of the Father himself'



Jude

　14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”



Matt 16
Jesus said...,
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.


2Thess 1

This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.



Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


Case closed.

 

[Marty fox]

I was just about to post the same thing. Thankyou.
Jesus told us exactly what happens when he comes.

The sheep inherit what was prepared from the foundation of the world , while the goats are thrown into the everlasting fire.
This is a post millennium event that occurs at his coming with all his Angels in great power and glory of the Father himself'



Jude

　14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”



Matt 16
Jesus said...,
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.


2Thess 1

This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.



Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


Case closed.

Yes and Revelation shows these events too

Revelation 20:7-15
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Judgment of the Dead

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[ewq1938]

No, it absolutely does not. It only proves that the vengeance comes first and then the LOF destruction

Sometime AFTER the second coming. Amillennialism teaches the lake of fire destruction happens at the second coming but not according to scripture. The verb tense proves this as it also proves the ruling comes AFTER the second coming in Revelation 19. Nothing supports the Amillennialism version.

 

[Timtofly]

I was just about to post the same thing. Thankyou.
Jesus told us exactly what happens when he comes.

The sheep inherit what was prepared from the foundation of the world , while the goats are thrown into the everlasting fire.
This is a post millennium event that occurs at his coming with all his Angels in great power and glory of the Father himself'



Jude

　14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”



Matt 16
Jesus said...,
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.


2Thess 1

This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.



Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


Case closed.

The sheep inherit the 1,000 years of what is left of this current creation. They are the land of Israel surrounding the camp of the saints, Jerusalem.

 

[Marty fox]

The sheep inherit the 1,000 years of what is left of this current creation. They are the land of Israel surrounding the camp of the saints, Jerusalem.

If it was Jerusalem wouldn’t the bible say so? The city God loves now the the true Jerusalem the church.

 

[jeffweeder]

The sheep inherit the 1,000 years of what is left of this current creation.

That is not what Jesus said.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

This current creation is fallen and death ridden...not what God created from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

The goats do not even continue in this current creation as this current creation passes away before the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Rev 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.