The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[Truth7t7]

Who are the sheep, if Jesus just killed every last human on earth?

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End) there isn't going to be any mortal human survivors

 

[Truth7t7]

There is only one Scripture necessary to believe millennialism:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The only answer to this, is believe or not believe He will will rule them with a rod of iron.

All else is doting about words and their meaning:

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Some people think there is proof in numbers, so that if they can gain others to their false teachings, they somehow prove to themselves that it's true. It can be seen in their vehemence of condemning anyone not agreeing with them, because they desperately need to be personally agreed with. The truth of Scripture is has no place with them anymore.

Jesus is going to rule with a rod of iron, in destruction of the wicked!

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[Truth7t7]

Proofs that this earth is His Millennium, not the new earth.
1. No sea on the new earth for the river of waters to cleanse.
2. He builds His house and temple Himself for His rule, and is the temple Himself in New Jerusalem.
3. His saints reign with Him on earth during His Millennium, and there is no such rule on the new earth, but only God and the Lamb dwelling with man in New Jerusalem.
4. There is no feast of tabernacles on the new earth, nor withholding rain from nations that don't come.
5. This earth dissolves and passes away from sight of God. The new heaven and earth is created, nor renewed from the old.

Not one word is proof as you claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no millennial kingdom on earth to follow as many falsely claim

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End) there isn't going to be any mortal human survivors

So no sheep?

 

[WPM]

So no sheep?

The sheep are glorified at His return. The goats are destroyed. No mortals will inherit immortality and the perfected earth.

 

[Timtofly]

The sheep are glorified at His return. The goats are destroyed. No mortals will inherit immortality and the perfected earth.

The poster stated all are dead, even the sheep.

 

[Truth7t7]

The poster stated all are dead, even the sheep.

The poster stated "No Mortal Human Body Survives" the second coming in the Lord's final judgment by fire

When Jesus Christ returns, Mortal is Changed to Immortal in the twinkling of an eye

Don't try and change these very clear words before your eyes

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2KJV
 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

 

[WPM]

The poster stated all are dead, even the sheep.

The righteouss are all rescued before all the wicked are destroyed - just like Noah's day and Sodom.

 

[WPM]

THINK THINK THINK and DO NOT change Holy Scripture.

The 5th Seal is the LORD show-n-tell to us that His Bride will only be complete(ALL who will be Part of HER) AFTER the set number die.

The white robes are not allegorical but literal and they are NOT the NEW Transformed Bodies.

The NEW Transformed Bodies ONLY takes place at the Second Coming of Christ = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , Rev ch19 & ch20

LITERAL WHITE ROBES = Acts ch1

After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. 10They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

Do you believe that "the last day” [Gr. eschatee heemara] is the end, last, farthest or final day of time?

 

[David in NJ]

Do you believe that "the last day” [Gr. eschatee heemara] is the end, last, farthest or final day of time?

First things First

God first established Grace as the means unto Salvation = Genesis

Then God established the Law to magnify sin/death and show forth that only blood can atone for sin.
The Law being weak/powerless to cleanse mankind from sin because animal blood cannot Atone for the sin of mankind.

The Law had a Beginning and an End = Jesus nailed it to His Body on the Cross = It is FINISHED

Jesus and the Prophets speak of the End of this current age which is often translated as 'world'.

It is not the earth that is coming to an end at His Second Coming, but the End of this Age that is under the ruling power of satan.

At the End of this Age satan will be locked up for 1,000 years. During this time satan cannot influence anyone on earth. Rev ch19 & ch20

This 1,000 Period starts a New Beginning for the Resurrected Saints and the people on earth = Rev ch19 & ch20

The 1,000 years will also END when satan is released and the FINAL Judgment is fulfilled = Revelation ch20

 

[Truth7t7]

It is not the earth that is coming to an end at His Second Coming, but the End of this Age that is under the ruling power of satan.

Your claim is "False"

When Jesus Christ Returns (Then Cometh The End) when death is swallowed up in victory, No Millennial Kingdom On Earth Following As you falsely continue to Claim, It's That Simple

Dave how long will you deny the simple truth before your eyes, as you continue to teach contrary to scripture presented again and again?

Jesus Is The Lord

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[David in NJ]

Your claim is "False"

When Jesus Christ Returns (Then Cometh The End) when death is swallowed up in victory, No Millennial Kingdom On Earth Following As you falsely continue to Claim, It's That Simple

Dave how long will you deny the simple truth before your eyes, as you continue to teach contrary to scripture presented again and again?

Jesus Is The Lord

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Read 1 Corinthians ch15 more carefully - paying careful attention of subject matter and parameters.

 

[ewq1938]

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

Compare that wording to these:

Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

These are survivors of the Great Tribulation. Same here:

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



Rev 2:27 And he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.

It is impossible to understand what happens at the second coming and what happens AFTER the second coming properly without understanding the verb tenses involved.

Since scripture does not contradict itself, there are no scriptures which state all mortals are slain at the second coming leaving none to be ruled over.

 

[WPM]

First things First

God first established Grace as the means unto Salvation = Genesis

Then God established the Law to magnify sin/death and show forth that only blood can atone for sin.
The Law being weak/powerless to cleanse mankind from sin because animal blood cannot Atone for the sin of mankind.

The Law had a Beginning and an End = Jesus nailed it to His Body on the Cross = It is FINISHED

Jesus and the Prophets speak of the End of this current age which is often translated as 'world'.

It is not the earth that is coming to an end at His Second Coming, but the End of this Age that is under the ruling power of satan.

At the End of this Age satan will be locked up for 1,000 years. During this time satan cannot influence anyone on earth. Rev ch19 & ch20

This 1,000 Period starts a New Beginning for the Resurrected Saints and the people on earth = Rev ch19 & ch20

The 1,000 years will also END when satan is released and the FINAL Judgment is fulfilled = Revelation ch20

Oh. So, you reject what the Bible teaches in order to fit your theology. Ok.

Like all Premils, you explain away the rest of Scripture by your faulty opinion of one symbolic chapter located in the most figurative setting in Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh. So, you reject what the Bible teaches in order to fit your theology. Ok.

Like all Premils, you explain away the rest of Scripture by your faulty opinion of one symbolic chapter located in the most figurative setting in Scripture.

Sounds great

Believe the Scripture = Rev ch20
Jesus literally Returns
satan literally gets locked up for 1,000 literal years
Saints are literally Resurrected
Saints are literally Transformed into Christ's Likeness
Saints literally Reign & Rule with Christ for a literal 1,000 years

 

[WPM]

Sounds great

Believe the Scripture = Rev ch20
Jesus literally Returns
satan literally gets locked up for 1,000 literal years
Saints are literally Resurrected
Saints are literally Transformed into Christ's Likeness
Saints literally Reign & Rule with Christ for a literal 1,000 years

He came at the first resurrection and inaugurated Rev 20. You deny Jesus is the first resurrection. You avoid all the holes in your argument. The redeemed are reigning now "in Christ." Hello! The victory has already been won.

We all believe in a future resurrection of all. But it is definitely not the first resurrection. Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection.

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh. So, you reject what the Bible teaches in order to fit your theology. Ok.

Like all Premils, you explain away the rest of Scripture by your faulty opinion of one symbolic chapter located in the most figurative setting in Scripture.

Just as reformed preterist eschatology does

Reformed eschatology claims Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven below isn't literal, but it's a "symbolic" judgement upon Jerusalem in 70AD

Matthew 24:29-30 below is the best explanation of the, future, literal, second coming seen in the bible, and reformed preterist eschatology bends, twists, the scripture below to promote 66-70AD preterist fulfillment, rejecting what the Bible clearly teaches, to fit their theology and false doctrine

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

He came at the first resurrection and inaugurated Rev 20. You deny Jesus is the first resurrection.

The words "First Resurrection" have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being the "First" to be resurrected 2,000 years ago as claimed, more false reformed preterist eschatology at play

"First Resurrection" pertains to the fact that "Two Resurrections" take place on the "Last Day" and the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" because the "Second Death/Resurrection" is to the Lake Of Fire

There will be a "Future" (First Resurrection) on the last day, and it will literally pertain to the dead in Christ who rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[ewq1938]

"First Resurrection" pertains to the fact that "Two Resurrections" take place on the "Last Day"

You got the first part right but the second resurrection is a thousand years later according to Rev 20.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Obviously the first resurrection happens a long time before the second one does.

 

[Timtofly]

The poster stated "No Mortal Human Body Survives" the second coming in the Lord's final judgment by fire

When Jesus Christ returns, Mortal is Changed to Immortal in the twinkling of an eye

Don't try and change these very clear words before your eyes

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2KJV
 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

They have to stand before the throne in Jerusalem and be judged. The goats are not changed to be taken to heaven, and then cast into the LOF. Where is your Scripture proving this jump in logic? You said they are all destroyed, not that they were all changed and then destroyed. You said all living humans were destroyed at the Second Coming. The sheep never made a profession of faith and accepted the gospel of salvation. They are dead sinners in Adam's flesh, and cannot enter heaven, until they are judged.