What's wrong? For you it's attacks on Jesus of the Bible.
Will STV say 'Mother have mercy on me', on Judgment Day?
The maternal qualities of God
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Will STV say 'Mother have mercy on me', on Judgment Day?
That's not what it means at all. Laodocia was fed by two springs. One was the hot mineral spring from Hierapolis which was therapeutic and known for it's healing power and the other was the cool spring from Colossae which was refreshing. By the time they both got to Laodicea they were lukewarm. They were no longer therapeutic or refreshing. If we are not refreshing the body or speaking words to heal and correct it's ills then we are lukewarm. Condemning someone to hell is neither. Something to think about.
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I'll stick with what Jesus said.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it!
Churches are FILLED with luke warm members.
Maybe you should stick with getting out of the judges seat and let Jesus determine the fate.
Brother, I defend the scriptures every chance I get. I am totally at odds with Steven on this issue. All I am saying is that there is a danger in being so quick to condemn one another. Jesus told us very clearly that judgement can have a boomerang effect.
Good!
STV constantly attacks the Bible on nearly everything.
Defending the Bible is not judging!
quietthinker
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The description above is beautifully concise. Consider the implications.
The qualities of other-centeredness, self-giving, co-suffering and self-sacrifice are not inherently female. Nor are they male. Our western civilization gender stereotypes are fictions.
The Bible never refers to God as Mother.
Jesus never prayed to Our Mother who art in heaven.
The Shack is a blasphemous fiction that is misrepresenting the gospel and mocking the Trinity.
The Bible never refers to God as Mother.
Jesus never prayed to Our Mother who art in heaven.
The Shack is a blasphemous fiction that is misrepresenting the gospel and mocking the Trinity.
- Universalism: The book suggests that all people are saved, regardless of whether they repent or trust in Jesus. Critics highlight scenes where "Jesus" implies he does not want to make people Christians, but rather wants to join them in their journey.
- Patripassianism (Father Suffering): The book depicts God the Father ("Papa") as having been crucified alongside Jesus, which violates the traditional understanding that only the Son took on human flesh and suffered on the cross.
- Modalism/Tritheism Misrepresentations: The Shack falls into modalism (confusing the three persons of the Trinity) or tritheism (depicting them as three separate gods) rather than the orthodox one God in three persons.
- Rejection of Penal Substitution: The book portrays the sacrilegious idea of God punishing Jesus on the cross as "divine child abuse". It emphasizes God's love over his justice, arguing that God does not punish sin.
- Rejection of Hierarchy in the Trinity: The Shack presents the Trinity as a "circle of relationship" rather than having any hierarchical order, which critics believe contradicts biblical, structural authority.
- Depiction of God the Father: Portraying God the Father as a woman (Papa) is seen by some as a departure from the biblical, masculine revelation of the Father.
- Diminishing Scripture: The Shack elevates personal experience and alleged “emotional healing” over the authority and inerrancy of the Bible.
quietthinker
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ScottA
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I'll say it again, the problem being discussed here of separating the attributes of male and female--resulted in original sin--even when God did it.
You are playing with fire!
God allowed it--even arranged it--but what has He done since? He has arranged our marriage making us One again--and to even think we can again divide what God has ultimately joined together should not be considered a good topic for discussion, but a toboggan ride with Satan all over again.
"So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:6).
I will say however--to clarify--that, those attributes considered female, are not lacking with God. But they are not the same when removed from Him, but lesser. But that is not to say anything greater of men, but of God, for to Him we are all the lesser, even all considered women, the best of whom are as a Bride--men and women alike.
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I do not know if The Shack makes people hate Christians, but it certainly might cause people to mock Christians for praising such idiotic nonsense that is contained in books like The Shack.
On the contrary, THIS is why people hate Christians:
Jn 15:18-19
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
--- PARODY ---
Christian: You should become a Christian.
Victim: Why on earth would I want to do that?
Christian: Huh? What do you mean?
Victim: Christians are the worst people on the planet.
Christian: No, sinners like you are the worst.
Victim: Seriously?
Christian: Yes, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: Doesn't it also say not to judge others?
Christian: I'm not judging you. That will come later.
Victim: Like when?
Christian: After you die without Christ.
Victim: Are you talking about a forever burning hell?
Christian: Yes, that's where you are going.
Victim: How would you know?
Christian: Again, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: But what do you say?
Christian: I agree with the Bible.
Victim: You are proving my point about why I don't want to be a Christian.
Christian: Why not?
Victim: I don't want to be like you.
Indeed.
You are in agreement with the accuser of the brethren, otherwise known as satan. Don't let him continue to deceive you. Repent.
Are the accusations true or false?
--- PARODY ---
Christian #1: Are you a Christian?
Christian #2: Yes, although I'm not completely comfortable with that term.
Christian #1: You aren't comfortable being a Christian?
Christian #2: No, it's the term "Christian".
Christian #1: Shouldn't you stand up for what you believe?
Christian #2: I do. I'm just not a fan of labeling.
Christian #1: Why would you be ashamed of Christ?
Christian #2: I'm not. The term "Christian" comes with a lot of baggage.
Christian #1: It seems to me that you are not a Christian at all.
Christian #2: I hear that from Christians sometimes.
Christian #1: Based on what you have said, there is no proof that you are a Christian.
Christian #2: I suppose not. Can we really know for sure?
Christian #1: Why are you avoiding the question?
Christian #2: You asked me if I am a Christian and I said "Yes..."
Christian #1: But then you backed away from it.
Christian #2: I said I wasn't comfortable with labels.
Christian #1: You are still beating around the bush.
Christian #2: Why didn't you accept my initial answer?
Christian #1: Because of everything else you said.
Christian #2: (sigh)
Christian #1: What's wrong?
Christian #2: This is why I am uncomfortable with the term.
Christian #1: What do you mean?
Christian #2: I don't want to be associated with you.
